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That subject has been beaten to death in these pages.
Use the Search function to read past time wasters on this word.

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May 8, 2012, 12:38 PM

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GRINGO-MEANING THEREOF

I live in Mexico and the only time I hear the word Gringo used is by gringos telling other gringos that they are gringos. I never really hear it from mexicans except in one special circumstance. A mexican mother got very upset that he daughter was dating a gringo. A gringo is fine but please, dont let your kids marry one.
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My inlaws probably won't agree with you on that one.
Thanks for the info on the origin of the word gringo.

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May 8, 2012, 1:08 PM

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I agree with Rolly.

I like Mexico Connect because it is above all about information. Garry, please do a bit of research before you start taking over this Board as your own personal blogspot. Gee whiz! You only registered May 6th and you´ve already posted something like 36 times! Eeek.

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May 8, 2012, 1:15 PM

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Garry, nobody knows the real story. Everybody has a theory. As Rolly said, do a search--this same topic has come up over and over and ad nauseum for the nearly 13 years I've been around on Mexconnect.




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AlanMexicali


May 8, 2012, 1:38 PM

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It appears a few would rather this forum die a slow and gradual death than greet a newbie with enthusiasm. Maybe it is a pecking order thing?

La Isla


May 8, 2012, 2:09 PM

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I live in Mexico and the only time I hear the word Gringo used is by gringos telling other gringos that they are gringos. I never really hear it from mexicans except in one special circumstance. A mexican mother got very upset that he daughter was dating a gringo. A gringo is fine but please, dont let your kids marry one.

I live in Mexico too and sometimes date Mexican men. On occasion I have been addressed as "mi gringuita", and I took it as a compliment. Should I have been offended?

don pedro


May 8, 2012, 2:18 PM

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my mexican buddies called me gringo until i pointed out to them that a canadiense hombre is a hoser with the haitch pronounced. no mas gringo-jaja! but harder for them to say.
and yes this topic has been flogged to death particularly the uniform schtick which makes a scent but no sense.
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sparks


May 8, 2012, 2:31 PM

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gabacho or güero

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cbviajero

May 8, 2012, 3:24 PM

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my mexican buddies called me gringo until i pointed out to them that a canadiense hombre is a hoser with the haitch pronounced. no mas gringo-jaja! but harder for them to say.
and yes this topic has been flogged to death particularly the uniform schtick which makes a scent but no sense.
Glad you made it clear that you were a canadian and not a gringo,
As a gringo I thank you.

AlanMexicali


May 8, 2012, 4:30 PM

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Gary.

There seems, to me a least, be different sides of the fence in expatlandia. Those new to the life; those married to Mexicans and those oldtimers who seem to be sick of the others. IMO

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May 8, 2012, 5:20 PM

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My take on both gringo and güero are that they are irreversible human conditions. A gringo is someone from up north, and a güero just has a fair complexion.

A gabacho on the other hand is more of an insult, referring to either a gringo or a Mexican who came from the US who can't speak Spanish, or only very poor Spanish.

cbviajero

May 8, 2012, 6:31 PM

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I've never heard of a mexican being referred to as a gabacho,maybe you meant (pocho) aka:chicano or mexican american.

sparks


May 8, 2012, 6:43 PM

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Gabacho is basically a not so favorable person from another place. Used in Spain referring to the French and used in Mexico towards the French when they invaded.

In everyday speech I thing Mexicans think gabacho is kinder than gringo

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May 8, 2012, 8:35 PM

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The original poster is right, Gringo is a corruption of Griego (Greek) It was generally applied to anyone that spoke an unintelligible language It had nothing to do with any song, or uniform color. In the early 1970s I lived in Brownsville, Texas, right on the border with Tamulipas. That was before the drug gangs were a problem.


I had a couple of translating Spanish-English dictionaries, the heading for Gringo was always followed by (denigrating.) I don't know what happened to those dictionaries, but I now have four of them, none of them list Gringo as denigrating now.


I married a Mexican woman, and became a part of her family. We have some sobrinos that are fairly well educated and well to do. My niece speaks a little English, my late wife was a fluent English speaker. On a visit here, my niece asked my wife to tell me that if I ever heard her and her friends speak of a gringo, that they didn't mean me. It was just an easy word to us to describe a person from the estadounidense. ( The United States).


I started grammar school in California in the 1930s. I learned from my many Mexican classmates that Gringo is not a nice word. It is not a part of my vocabulary now. If I want to tell a Mexican where I am from, I simply say, “soy Americano”(I am an American)


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May 8, 2012, 9:43 PM

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Ho boy! I thought I was beating a dead horse when I wrote a footnote about this in the introduction to my "Gods, Gachupines and Gringos", but the story about "Green Go" and "Green Grow the Rushes, Oh" still has legs. So to expand even more than I did when I over-did it the first time:

Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1454, and Granada to the Castillians in 1492. In between, a lot of Byzantine emigres (aka "Greeks") showed up on the Iberian penisula... people with a different culture and language, but as Catholics (even if Orthodox and not Roman) having more in common with the Castillians than the Arabic speaking Moors and Ladino speaking Jews. And, even if more or less culturally the same, not speaking Basque, Catalan, Hebrew, Mozarabic, Ladino or Castillian, or one of the many dialects thereof. Castillian became the "official" language of the realm in 1492, but dialects and corruptions have evaded the clutches of the would-be language police and the bureaucrats of the Royal Academy, conferring a bit of respectability and acceptance on "gringo" in Spanish that goes back a half-millenium, and stretches to include the Chilean use of "gringo" to mean Portuguese-speaking Brazilians.

"Gringo" was used in English to refer to the term used in Mexico for people from the English-speaking parts of North America as early as the 1820s, which sort of blows away the nonsense about the Mexican-American War or the Pershing Expedition right there.


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May 8, 2012, 10:06 PM

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La Isla


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This is what the Academia Mexicana de la Lengua has to say about gringo:

gringo, gringa. (De griego 'extranjero; lenguaje incomprensible'.) adj., y m. y f. De los Estados Unidos de América, estadounidense. | en gringo. loc. En un lenguaje ininteligible.

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May 9, 2012, 5:42 AM

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The new take, which has never come up before, and may be partially answered by Garry - what do Mexican (Spanish), as first language speakers call an obvious American/Canadian who is obviously black, asian or native indian? Are they still 'gringos', or something all together different?

YucaLandia


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Twists and turns of language and labels: My wife's daughter (a Yucateca) is in her late 20's, and has lived in the USA for 2 yr., 4 yr., and 9 yr. stints, and self-identifies as a Mexicana and Yucateca. She graduated with honors from colegio here in Merida, and speaks beautiful Spanish and good English. Her family roots are Maya, Libanese (Arabe), Tenerife, Puerto Rico (negrito), Basco, y Castillano.

She has beautiful black hair and dark eyes, yet her friends and acquaintances around Merida often affectionately call her: güera .

It can sometimes be really important for expats to remember Mexican's reactions to outsiders and even emigrants - (other Mexicans who have emigrated from one Mexican state to make a home in a different state). Mexican emigrants are often quietly identified as foráneos even decades later, when being introduced. e.g. Almost universally, after being introduced to a spouse of a family member, the Mexican state of origin for spouse will be quietly pointed out - "Oh, she is a Campechana." or "He is a Tabasqueño." These people are clearly much loved, but on some level they will always be labeled as outsiders.
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May 9, 2012, 8:02 AM

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I live in Mexico and the only time I hear the word Gringo used is by gringos telling other gringos that they are gringos. I never really hear it from mexicans except in one special circumstance. A mexican mother got very upset that he daughter was dating a gringo. A gringo is fine but please, dont let your kids marry one.

Hmmm.... having lived in Mexico for nearly 40 years, married to an incredible Mexican lady for nearly that long, with my 3 children born and raised here, all I can say about the paragraph I quote is....que tonterìa.

AlanMexicali


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"Twists and turns of language and labels: Our daughter (a Yucateca) is in her late 20's, and has lived in the USA for 2 yr., 4 yr., and 9 yr. stints, and self-identifies as a Mexicana and Yucateca. She graduated with honors from colegio here in Merida, and speaks beautiful Spanish and good English. Her family roots are Maya, Libanese (Arabe), Tenerife, Puerto Rico (negrito), Basco, y Castillano.

She has beautiful black hair and dark eyes, yet her friends and acquaintances around Merida often affectionately call her: güera .

It can sometimes be really important for expats to remember Mexican's reactions to outsiders and even emigrants - (other Mexicans who have emigrated from one Mexican state to make a home in a different state). Mexican emigrants are often quietly identified as foráneos even decades later, when being introduced. e.g. Almost universally, after being introduced to a spouse of a family member, the Mexican state of origin for spouse will be quietly pointed out - "Oh, she is a Campechana." or "He is a Tabasqueño." These people are clearly much loved, but on some level they will always be labeled as outsiders.
A happy Yucogringo,"
steve


Steve this is what I have found also.





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