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tonyburton

Apr 9, 2012, 10:16 AM

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News reports of 3 (possibly 4) murders in Ajijic

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News still sketchy; for first newspaper report (Spanish) see:
http://www.informador.com.mx/...ombres-en-ajijic.htm

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La Isla

Apr 9, 2012, 11:12 AM

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Re: [tonyburton] News reports of 3 (possibly 4) murders in Ajijic

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The line doesn't work, Tony.

tonyburton

Apr 9, 2012, 11:52 AM

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sorry, fixed now and should work as intended!

bronco

Apr 9, 2012, 9:09 PM

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this area is very poor, drug infested, dangerous, & filthy place. there was an entire discussion on chapala web board. so much gossip, as if these people were their friends. this has nothing to do w/us. who cares who is on drugs, or who deals drugs? i didnt come here for that, i never had these conversations in the US. even if this happened in a neigborhood near by. these disputes are none of our business. i go up there every few months as my shoe repair is there. the man tells me to not even walk up colon (to the bakery), or down colon, he said take the other street to the highway. there are many boys on that corner @ colon & the streets up the hill. this should be of no interest to us. its street talk, maybe it should not be on forums unless an american is hurt. very negative to dwell on this.

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Dreamer Blue

Apr 10, 2012, 5:43 AM

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I lived in this neighborhood last year and I have to say these are some of the most delightful people I have ever met - warm, caring, helpful and yes, poor. If I ever needed help with anything, they were there. They invited me to their celebrations and shared their lives with me. I walked up and down Colon and the neighboring streets morning, noon and night. No problems. Violence is everybody's problem and, as you have chosen to live here and make this your community, it is certainly yours. Ivory towers don't work. Dismissing a large part of the local population based on their income or where they choose to live doesn't make sense. Even if a given drug seller lives up in the bario, his customer lives downtown. Which one bears the most blame?

Vichil

Apr 10, 2012, 7:10 AM

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Everyone is town will tell you that a couple of the men had serious drug habits, one of them is the son of the people who owned the gas station in Ajijic, the third man had just gotten back from the States and was going to get married, it is rumored that he andaba mal pasos but who knows.
Typical crowd you would meet in a poorer area in any country. Just because people sell a little drug to support their habit does not make the whole family bad and does not make them hurt less when their sons get killed. The bad part in all of this is that one of them was married and had 3 kids and a druggie wife as well. It is a very sad situation all around.

I used to walk all over 10 years ago and will not any longer as I know bullets do not carry a name. The people there are like everywhere else in a poor area some good some bad .

The drug business always was here but small and more discreet, now it is much bigger and there is more competition for the business, the drug users are used as disposable salespeople, hook more people get more salespeople is the moto and the stupid kids fall for it.

I have friends with teenage kids and they are scared to death that the kids get involved but kids are kids, you can only raise them right and then hope for the best. They have friends and girlfriends and it is very easy to get got in the middle.

Vichil

Apr 10, 2012, 7:14 AM

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Dreamer Blue
One of the big customer of these drug dealers is himself or herself and their close friends not someone in the center which happens to be 3 blocks away..
You can se some of the deals going down in front of Torito, drugs are everywhere .

Dreamer Blue

Apr 10, 2012, 8:20 AM

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My point exactly. The guys in front of Torito - or on the malecon, or in the Walmart parking lot, or knocking at your neighbors' door - live somewhere else. Drugs ARE everywhere and writing off a poorer part of town or dismissing the problem as "nothing to do with me" does nothing to solve the problem or to protect the writer.

bronco

Apr 10, 2012, 10:54 AM

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its not my problem to solve. for me there is no difference here or living in a city in the US. if you choose to be involved thats fine. i lived near a ghetto in the north east, passed by all the time. i have other interests, it was not something we dwelled upon, i am not a social worker. there are no shootings in the area i live in mexico, or where i lived in the US. if drugs are sold by teenage boys in front of supermarkets, i dont care. there is no contract written that i have to mingle everywhere. i find that neigborhood very depressing, after a short visit there, i am glad to leave.

bronco

Apr 10, 2012, 2:02 PM

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to add to my comment: addiction can lead to robberies muggings. if a person is poor they have little choice. that is why this kind of neighborhood is not safe after dark. there are some very nice houses, i did see a beautiful one for rent. i saw hoards of boys all over, i knew it was not the best choice. especially if you walk. & they can see you coming & going. in addition, there was much garbage, puddles etc. i understand people protecting their investments, so i mention the newer renovations are nice. as for this area being uplifting or inspirational, i disagree. we are not simpletons here, we know there are nice people everywhere. but drug addicted families are not my friends.

Dreamer Blue

Apr 11, 2012, 5:41 AM

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You're right. Addiction can lead to mugging, whether addiction to drugs, alcohol or even terminal greed and stupidity. And addiction can be anywhere. Up north one of my neighbors was a very successful - and very wealthy - lawyer. The number of vehicles come and going from his house bothered all of us who lived near him but it took us a while to figure out that these were either his cocaine suppliers or the "friends" he sold the cocaine too. Turned out he grew pot behind his fancy fence too. None of that was our problem of course, until one of his visitors ran over a local kid. But hey, there were no puddles, the neighborhood was weathy and clean and it was thought to be safe at night - until it wasn't.
Ah well, when I grew up raising a child and caring what went on in your town was everyone's concern. Maybe that's the difference with our world now. Too bad.

bronco

Apr 13, 2012, 9:33 PM

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your neighborhood was the kind you could do something about these situations. you cant in upper ajijic, try it. you cant in front of torittos. you can only do something in your home town, if its not too much like the barrio in ajijic. reading your post, i see your town was light years away. apples & oranges. the same rules do not apply, its a different world.