Feb 9, 2012, 11:50 AM
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Re: [surebought] To bribe or not to bribe, a study on mordida
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I have lived in Mexico since 1987. I was in a regulated business from then until 2010. The only bribe I have ever paid, and that was through a lawyer, was to (you know who) to get my original FM-3 in the early 1990s. ... It is easier for Americans to get away with not paying bribes because we can always say, "I could get in lots of trouble with my government if I pay you a suborno, because of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which makes it a felony(deleto), to bribe a foreign official. The Mexicans can't use that excuse. If only you guys could speak Spanish, you could say that too. I turned this into a competitive advantage business wise. One time I said to a cop on the highway that stopped me, that that kind of tactic might work on some gringo who just fell off of a Tortilla Truck, but that "ain't gonna work on me." I will just go to the Cop Shop and pay the 50 peso fine (I was of course guilty of speeding). Make an effort to learn the language and don't leave your brain at the border. Most bribes on the business level are paid solutions to get around paperwork problems. Most bribery involving Americans are drunk driving issues. And pretty soon, there will be no bribery at all on that issue. Just the other day, an expat resident of Baja, was on his way home from his favorite bar and he ran right into the back of a parked Tractor Trailer at 50 MPH. He survived and the Veterans Administration is trying to put Humty Dumpty back together again. Maybe if he hadn't been able to bribe his way out of driving drunk, he might have gotten the message that these roads are kind of dangerous and he needs all his faculties to maneuver them.
Bribery clearly causes problems, and a 1 in 5 belief that " bribery is sometimes OK " is troubling.
The data presented by the Los Angeles Times unfortunately is missing the opinions of most Americans. The title "Is bribery sometimes OK? How people answered across the Americas" hides the fact that the article says nothing about people's opinions from the Americans in Canada and the USA. If you've lived in Chicago, New Mexico, Louisiana, etc, a 1:5 belief that " bribery is sometimes OK " would likely be a low number.
I am also curious7confused about some interesting perspectives in the quoted post:
" If only you guys could speak Spanish, you could say that too. "
Do we really imagine that many/most people on this board do not speak Spanish, and cannot say:
"Dame mi multa, por favor." ?
"... that kind of tactic might work on some gringo who just fell off of a Tortilla Truck, but that "ain't gonna work on me."
Good for you. All of you gringos who just fell off their Tortilla Trucks should pay attention.
"... an expat resident of Baja, was on his way home from his favorite bar and he ran right into the back of a parked Tractor Trailer at 50 MPH." ... "...Maybe if he hadn't been able to bribe his way out of driving drunk, ..."
Is there evidence that this person paid bribes to the police to allow him to drive drunk, or are you guessing that he drove drunk and had paid past bribes for the priviledge?
I'm having trouble connecting some of the dots you lay out.
Chicago, New Mexico, Louisiana, and other areas in the US are well known for bribing police to get out of traffic issues, including drunk driving. Are all the drunk driving accidents and fatalities there also due to bribery?
Does a 1 person in 5 belief that " bribery is sometimes OK " mean that people drive drunk because of bribery?
Just trying to keep all four wheels on the pavement,
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