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chicois8

Feb 5, 2012, 8:00 PM

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Re: [Rolly] How the heck can I open an account there when I'm still here ?

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Sunday afternoon:
BoA ATM 12.68
Banamex USA ATM 12.50 It seems odd that their transfer rate (12.62) is better than the ATM rate today.


Rolly, If you read my post from this morning I said nothing about ATM rates of exchange, I was giving the rate one would receive pesos if they sent a dollar to peso transfer....So you are saying the BofA ATM is paying a higher rate of exchange than the link to Oanda you posted this morning? Tomorrow I will withdrawal some money from my Banamex USA account and compare with your Oanda site....


Axixic


Feb 6, 2012, 1:26 PM

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I never check the Banamex ATM exchange rate because I transfer dollars online to pesos from a Banamex USA account to a Banamex MX account. Any money I withdraw from a local Banamex ATM is already in pesos drawn on a MX account. The ATM rate might be a worse exchange rate but I don't know because my money has already been transferred to pesos.

The XE rate right now is 12.66. http://www.xe.com/ucc/

The Banamex USA peso account today is 12.62. That's cheap for a transfer to a Mexican account and a good exchange rate. I don't think any bank gives account holders the same exchange rate as a business like XE has because that is what the bank is getting for it's exchange rate.


chicois8

Feb 6, 2012, 4:36 PM

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Sunday afternoon:
BoA ATM 12.68
Banamex USA ATM 12.50 It seems odd that their transfer rate (12.62) is better than the ATM rate today.



Rolly, Today I went to a Banamex ATM and withdrew
10,000 Pesos, went home and checked my Citi account and $790.62 was
deducted from my account which would give an exchange rate of 12.66 P
to the dollar...I then checked your link to Oanda and their rate was 12.62 P
to the dollar...I think Oanda is low balling the rate, in fact after checking 6
other companies that quote exchange rates Oanda was the lowest...the spread was 12.62 to 12.72....6 companies and four different quotes, who to use?


chinagringo


Feb 6, 2012, 5:01 PM

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Don't this to be absolute fact but I have been told in the past that the exchange rate can vary by location within Mexico.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



chicois8

Feb 6, 2012, 5:22 PM

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I don't know Neil, I think there is only 1 place in Mexico that sets the rates for the country, what the banks do is open the spread to give them the best rate to squeeze out of their customers... Here is a list of sites that offer exchange rates and their rate today,Feb.6th.2012:

Ex change=12.66
Money Converter=12.66
x-rates=12.72
Oanda = 12.62
XE = 12.66

I know it is only a few centavos difference but if one is buying a $350,000
home it might be worth it to shop around.........


chinagringo


Feb 6, 2012, 5:50 PM

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Just what I had been told and I certainly don't have any proof either way. When we were kicking around centro Guadalajara back in January, we stumbled on a street that on either side for a full block was nothing but Casas de Cambios - probably 25 to 30 of them. It seemed that they all had the same rate and we wondered what would make a person go to one versus the others?
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



joaquinx


Feb 6, 2012, 6:05 PM

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The Mexican peso floats with the value of the US dollar. Of the sites you mentioned, only Oanda makes transfers of funds outside of fx trading. True? If you want the best rates on transferring large amounts of US dollars (350,000+) to Pesos, I would suggest negotiating with the US bank to get the best rate.

You have to realize that the Mexican peso is not traded as often as the Euro, UK Pound, Australian dollar, NZ dollar, HK dollar, and Yen. With that in mind, the value of those currencies will be correct up to the minute or sooner, while the peso's value will lag.
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chicois8

Feb 6, 2012, 6:46 PM

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You go to an ATM on the corner........


And if you go to another block you will find 20 or 30 shoe stores...


chinagringo


Feb 6, 2012, 6:52 PM

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We weren't looking to exchange money but just happened on the phenomenon. You are right though, there were a couple of banks nearby offering better rates by the signs in their windows.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



chicois8

Feb 6, 2012, 6:56 PM

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The only reason I go into casas de cambios now a days is to score some of the state 100 peso coins or some silver commemorative coins......


DavidHF

Feb 7, 2012, 10:58 AM

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You can view the Government's daily rate here: www.dof.gob.mx


Azuledos


Feb 7, 2012, 1:32 PM

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It is true that you must prove Mexican residence to open a BanamexUSA Friendship Checking account. We were unable to open such an account prior to our recent house-hunting trip SoB in western Veracruz. However, there are no such restrictions on opening a BanamexUSA Express Savings account, with only a NoB address, while you are still living in the US. With funds in the savings account you are provided with debit cards which can be used at Banamex ATM's in Mexico, with no service charge. Daily limit is USD $300 or about MXP $4000. All BanamexUSA accounts are FDIC insured.

Later, with an address in Fortín de las Flores, we can open that USD Friendship Checking account, or perhaps a MXP checking account at Banamex should it prove good to have a live account in Mexico, for bill-paying. Funds can be easily transferred to either of these checking accounts from the existing savings account.


Aaron+

Feb 7, 2012, 2:00 PM

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1. Why would anyone look at or quote the Oanda rate? For anyone living in North America, an Australian or Irish, etc., foreign exchange transaction company´s rate is not useful when you count the cost of wiring money in US or CND funds to such a FX firm, and then seeing whether they will wire pesos to a Mexican account. Except for the banks engaged in FX in North America, I have been unable to find any FX firm other than fx.com and Western Union (fx.com works through Western Union). Please advise if you know of one. (Even the business-oriented Travelex online service was absorbed some months ago by WU, for almost US$1 billion in cash.)

If you are moving a large amount, as for a real estate purchase, do realize that you can ask deal over the phone with Xe.trade for a rate a wee bit closer to whatever is the midpoint than you can get online.

Also, do realize that an Xe.com account holder (and presumably a Western Union account holder) must register with their NOB address, probably for some anti-money laundering regulation in the US and or Canada. You can still send pesos, by wire or free ACH transfers, to your Mexican bank account.



2. Use of credit cards.

Many Mexican firms and services (such as doctors) add a percentage (say 3.67%) to your bill in you use a credit card, whether national (Mexican) or international. Some refuse to accept any debit card, go figure. I have had problems with the acceptance of a national debit card or one of my U.S. credit cards when the recipient processes through Bancomer, no problem if they use Banorte, HSBC, or Carlos Slim´s Inbursa. Pemex stations that accept debit or credit cards do not seem to add on any percentage. The Pemex station by Costco (which is not owned by Costco) happily accepts whatever. (The US card I use has my Mexican billing address.) Mexican credit cards are costly, and I really do not see any advantage to having one. Yucalandia mentions direct utility billing to a credit card; I believe that only works if you have a Bancomer credit card, not even sure if it applies to a Banamex card. Since I receive my CFE and JAPAY (water bill in Mérida) bills by e-mail, I just use our Banorte account online to pay them, without the worry of paper bills that never seem to arrive reliably (a problem where I used to live here).

3. Please realize that not all Mexican accounts are insured by the federal IPAB, though just about all with depositary banks per se; see http://www.iflr.com/Article/2324167/Mexico-Guarantees-of-bank-deposits.html.
However, Mexican history within the last century, --that is, well before IPAB, -- has cases in which foreigner-held accounts have not received protections afforded nationals´ holdings. And everyone except the favored rich insiders got the shaft during devaluations.

4. My biggest grip with the Mexican banking system, besides it being bureaucratic, inefficient, and costly, is that there is no such thing as a true JOINT account. There is only one titular, though others can be on the account, though the non-titular can also receive an ATM card.


Axixic


Feb 7, 2012, 2:28 PM

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Re: [Aaron+] How the heck can I open an account there when I'm still here ?

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I'll try this one more time, there is no transfer fee between a Banamex USA account and a Banamex Mexico account. It's not like Western Union or any other money transfer company.

Don't transfer more than you need on any day if you are worried about money being insured.

Since there is no charge to go online and transfer money, you can do it everyday or when you like the exchange rate.

It's simple to do and gives you a local ATM card.

With the interest rate on Mexican credit cards, people are better off using a U.S. issued credit card and getting a 3%-4% one time charge. It's still cheaper than the Mexican interest rates.


Aaron+

Feb 7, 2012, 2:44 PM

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Well, this gets back to the question of the exchange rate you are getting from a "no fee" transfer. Excuse my skepticism regarding Citibank (Banamex) giving you a great deal.

So, when I do ACH transfers through Xe.com, there is NO transfer fee charged by them, my U.S. bank, or our Mexican bank (Banorte). However, there is a slight difference, about 2 to 2.5%, between the current exchange rate I get and the current midpoint, favoring Xe.com. They would not be in business long if they made nothing on the transaction, nor would your bank.

It gets to be difficult to compare exchange rates, since they can be and have been quite volatile. You may get an exchange rate at the bank, then run home to check the online rates, but unless you can transport yourself instantaneously bank home and online, you are getting a rate at a different time, which can be in your favor or against.


chicois8

Feb 7, 2012, 3:38 PM

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What a centavo or 2.......how much is a centavo in US Dollars?

I can not even figure that small an amount..........


roni_smith


Feb 7, 2012, 7:56 PM

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I am told that xe.com does fund transfers
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Axixic


Feb 8, 2012, 3:28 AM

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Several of us have quoted the current Banamex exchange rate that is the cost of it transferring money and exchanging dollars for pesos. On a recent day the Banamex exchange rate was better than the XE rate.

Go back and read the previous responses.

If you don't believe Banamex is a better deal, don't use it. I don't get paid to drum up business for them.


robt65

Feb 8, 2012, 5:15 AM

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Good Morning Azuledos,

You said: . . . . . . "Daily limit is USD $300 or about MXP $4000" . . . . . when using your American bank debit card. I think this is also another way of getting a "hidden charge" of some kind from either the affiliated Mexican bank machine you are using, or from the American bank. This may also be a "regional thing", by the Mexican federal goverment, as I am allowed a daily limit of $6000.00 MX Pesos as a daily limit. I am in the state of Queretaro and yet when I was in Tamaulipas using the same card, I also had a different limit of $5000.00 MX Pesos. I know when I was out of the country sending money to my wife in Altamira, Tamaulipas (at the time) I was only allowed to send a max of $5000.00 MX Pesos as it was a (MX govt.) plan of some kind to find those using the WU service as a money laundering avenue. When we moved to Queretaro, I did not have the same problem, although I was called on my phone by the Western Union security office asking why I was sending what they called large amounts (for example $2000.00 USD or higher). I had to tell them everything I was using the money for, such as a hospital bill when our child was born, or for first and last month’s deposit of a rental property, etc. Just my 2 cents worth . . . . . . pun intended.

robt65


Aaron+

Feb 8, 2012, 7:15 AM

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Earlier Axixic wrote: "The XE rate right now is 12.66. http://www.xe.com/ucc/

The Banamex USA peso account today is 12.62. "

So, contrary to his supposed point, the XE rate was a wee bit more favorable than the Banamex rate for those converting $US to $MXN, if the "Xe rate" is the rate quoted for a prospective trade. Of course, we do not know the exact time each quote was obtained. And we do not know if Axixic is quoting the Xe.com midpoint rate, or the quote he got for a prospective trade. If the former, then the Banamex rate is more favorable, but then again, we do not know the exact times involved.

Axixic wrote that the Banamex rate "today" is a certain value. So you really believe banks maintain a fixed exchange rate during a business day? That is interesting, and very doubtful.** I do not know about Banamex, but when I have been in a Mexican bank (specifically Santander, HSBC, and Banorte) and asked a few years ago about their exchange rate, the posted rate in the branch was not what was offered, rather they had to place a call to determine the current rate (which, presumably, would have been valid for a brief period).

Typically, I find those writing about relative FX costs to be confused as to how to compare costs, and for no wonder, because it is confusing.

(**Such a statement would be true in a country where the central bank maintains a fixed, official rate. However, the peso is allowed to reflect a market-based floating rate, though Banxico does from time to time, as currently, intervene by selling or buying foreign exchange, principally the $US.)

As for Roni, yes, Xe.com does serve as an intermediary for their clients to transfer funds from a U.S. or Canadian bank, to a bank in a country with another currency, such as the Mexican pesos. (You could also, of course, transfer US$ to CDN$ and vice versa.)


Axixic


Feb 8, 2012, 12:18 PM

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Great, an anal retentive. I did not write that I posted that the Banamex rate was better than the XE rate. Another poster checked several rates and posted that. Go back and comb through the posts like you did to find this one.

Wow, I can see how you would be concerned that the Banamex rate to exchange money and transfer it to Mexico was that day 12.62 and the best rate, the rate banks get, was 12.66. That means to transfer $100 to Mexico it would have cost about 40 cents. It's highway robbery.

The Banamex rate is posted on its "peso account" page and it posts the transfer rate when one transfers dollars to pesos. Then Banamex sends an email stating again exactly how much in pesos was transferred. If someone gets confused by that, the person shouldn't have an account.

I don't care what the rate is Banamex has throughout the day. I care what the rate costs me. The same way I care what XE or any other money exchange co. lists. I care what I am paying at the time. If you want to concern yourself with what a co. makes, great, but I have no control over the bank's profits on exchange rates. I do have control over what a rate costs me.

Nobody thinks the rate is the same all day but thanks for telling us that we are morons.


Rolly


Feb 8, 2012, 1:11 PM

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This thread has drifted far from the original question and is becoming argumentative, so it's time to move on.

Rolly Pirate
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