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El Gato


Dec 28, 2011, 2:03 PM

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Setting up a For Profit Corporation

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Does anyone know the steps you need to go through in order to set up a For Profit Corporation in Mexico (Sonoara) with USA partners? Tks.
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RickS


Dec 28, 2011, 2:21 PM

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The word "attorney" comes to mind.....


El Gato


Dec 28, 2011, 3:11 PM

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Yep - Group I'm working with has one of those - however, they keep bringing up new items needed - I just like a heads up and they aren't really good about doing that lol. So figured if I new the steps involved I'd be ahead of the game.
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mazbook1


Dec 28, 2011, 3:48 PM

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The absolute FIRST word that comes to mind is NOTARIO. Most folks think of them as handling just real estate stuff, but they ARE the (ATTORNEYS) ones with the extra training and knowledge for setting up a Mexican corporation, plus they are the ones charged by the state for properly registering new corporations, Mexican owned, Mexican and foreigner owned or totally foreigner owned. With a notario, things should go very smoothly and EASILY. It certainly did for me and others I know.


El Gato


Dec 28, 2011, 3:58 PM

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How long did it take you and what papers/id did you have to supply? Did you just have to sign in front of the Notario at the end? One of our group is a heart surgeon and scheduling time is difficult. Just trying to think ahead in order to give him some warning on when he might have to be down here.

Thanks for the help - great group.
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mazbook1


Dec 28, 2011, 5:22 PM

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El Gato, First you need to realize that a NOTARIO in México is NOT the equivalent of a Notary Public in the U.S. Although they are the only ones who can legally certify signatures (like a U.S. Notary Public), they are a fully trained, licensed attorney with at least three extra years of training and internship before they can apply to the state to become an licensed Notario. With that out-of-the-way…

I can only relate my personal experience. As the principal in my corporation I had to furnish copies of all of my identification (credential de votar - both sides - and carta de naturalización) along with the originals to my notario so he could certify the copies.

First I had to meet with the notario and give him the name and the general description of what the corporation would be doing so that he could apply to the state for approval of the name. This must be done before proceeding. We actually had to try several times, as the state kept denying registration for our first choice of names (they had already been registered sometime by someone.)

Then, as ADMINISTRADOR ÚNICO - sole administrator rather than a board of directors - CONSEJO DE ADMINISTRACIÓN - I had to meet several times with the notario as he wrote the incorporation papers to make certain that it was all correct. As I had already been in business (as a Mexican equivalent to a dba), I had to give him copies of the copyright pages and tables of contents for the books I had already published), but nothing else. I would expect that someone setting up a completely new company would not have had to do this.

Once the Articles of Incorporation - ESTATUTOS - were complete and satisfactory to me (and my other stockholder - SOCIO), we both had to meet in the notario's office and sign the original (both at the end and at the edge of every page). At this time my socio had to provide the originals and a copy of both sides of his Mexican visa - could have been a FMM, FM3 or an FM2 - and his U.S. passport - cover and ALL pages including blank pages - so the notario could both certify his signature and certify the copies.

That was all that was needed. However, rather quickly (to avoid a late fee) I had to go personally to the local Hacienda (SAT) office to register the corporation with them and get a tax identification number (RFC), and once I had that I had to go personally to the local IMSS office and register the corporation as a PATRÓN - employer - for paying the monthly employment taxes and withholding for my employees.

All this was time consuming, but relatively easy, however I would definitely suggest that even before getting a notario, you get a good, English-speaking accountant (LCP) to advise you as to the type of corporation you want to set up and also to advise you in those final steps with Hacienda and IMSS. Your absolute MOST important business adviser is your accountant in México. They are the ONLY ones that are always completely current on all the bureaucratic nonsense involved. Attorneys - abogados - rarely, if ever, know all the details necessary.

The whole process should have only taken a couple of months, but with the state not approving the corporate name (several times), it actually took us several months. Except for when I had to appear personally at Hacienda and IMSS (things that could have been done by mail in the U.S.), it was no more complicated than incorporating a business in the U.S.


El Gato


Dec 28, 2011, 6:08 PM

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Thank you so much - gives me a good idea of time line and what will be required. Think we are on our way!
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El Gato


Dec 31, 2011, 10:06 AM

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Another question came up. We have the Inmigrante Renista - the other two partners submitted an FMM, which we understand will start the process. Then they were told that they needed a different visa then what we have. And that we might have to have ours amended (we live here full time - retired). Did you need a special visa for your Corporation? Thank you.
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surebought

Dec 31, 2011, 10:54 AM

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I go directly to a Notario. Many don't speak English so you'll need an English speaking attorney to get anything accomplished since you probably don't speak any Spanish. This is really the easy part. Getting enough customers to stay in business is the hard part. With a Mexican Corp, you have to keep up with the paper work and that is a real maze and it's almost impossible to understand. I am going to get hate mail for saying this, but I am going to say it anyway. Start up the business anyway and see if its going to be a winner before spending the money to set up a S.A. de CV or getting any other permits. If it has anything to do with tourism, then you will know in the first week whether it will be successful or another loser. No Restaurants. If you are setting up the SA de CV to hold Real Estate, remember it has to be commercial (not agricultural) kind of potential. IF your business plan within the SAdeCV has the word Tourism related, that is probably enough to be sort of secure. Good luck.


richmx2


Dec 31, 2011, 11:17 AM

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S.A. de C.V. is only one type of "corporation" and may be the wrong vehicle for structuring the business. The OP needs to talk to a notario, if for no other reason, the various states have slightly different regulations, and none of us here are licensed or trained to give legal advice.


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mazbook1


Dec 31, 2011, 12:05 PM

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El Gato, As I understand it, an Inmigrate Rentista visa (old FM2 rentista) or even a No-inmigrante rentista (old FM3 rentista) is OK, IF AND ONLY IF you do not work for or at the business and draw no income (except your share of the profits) from it. Assuming that the business is profitable, you would have to go to Hacienda and get an RFC - tax number - so you could pay your Mexican taxes that would be due.

That said, the reality is that Hacienda MIGHT require you to go back to INM and change your visa status to "atividades lucrativas" before they would issue the RFC. None of this affects the "incorporation" process however. Mexican corporations with only foreigners as stockholders - socios - are completely legal in México.

I would dispute going to a Notario first. It would be much better to go to an LCP (CPA) first, then to a Notario. In either case, an English-speaking LCP and an English-speaking Notario would be by far the best bet, as even with an interpreter, there could be serious misunderstandings, as Mexican "corporations" are quite structurally different than U.S. corporations.


surebought

Jan 1, 2012, 9:19 AM

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Mazbook is pretty much right too about what he said, but let me add that it took me years to find an accountant that new what he was doing. If you start off with the wrong one, they're get you into lots of trouble from the get go.


mazbook1


Jan 1, 2012, 10:19 PM

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Fortunately, I live in Mazatlán where there are lots of knowledgeable, English-speaking accountants (LCPs) and Notarios that are fully aware of ALL the regulations about foreigner owned Mexican corporations. I've been in business in México since first arriving here as a permanent resident nearly 14 years ago and having bought properties, got married to a Mexican citizen, become a naturalized Mexican citizen, cancelled my fideicomisos and finally folded my business activities into a Mexican corporation…with never a single problem, evidently the LCPs and Notarios I dealt with were pretty good at what they did for me.

The main reason for recommending an LCP first, is that there are many different types of Mexican corporations and only an LCP has the knowledge (and quick access to the SAT regulations) to determine which type is the best for each person's situation, both as a foreigner and a taxpayer to be. I know that the advice I received from my LCP before going the corporation route was invaluable and saved me a LOT of money and grief. He knew things to do with capital requirements and tax advantages that my Notario had absolutely no knowledge of.


(This post was edited by mazbook1 on Jan 1, 2012, 10:20 PM)


surebought

Jan 2, 2012, 9:30 AM

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You have my respect for actually being successfull in business in Mexico. I lasted 22 years. It is great that Mazatlan has knowlegable locals that can assist with the paperwork. I have seen so many people come and go and then go back to the old country with their tales between there legs: their capital down to their Soc Sec checks. Its so easy to think that they can do it better than the locals can. Newbies try the same old ideas over and over again hoping for a different result.
Last year at this time, we stayed in Mazatlan for a night and we were the only guests in one of those nice Hotels on the bay. I liked it, but thought in might be a little hot to live in year round.
Again, congradulations on your success. Your a member of the 1% that has what it takes to make it in Mexico.
I decided against Naturalization myself. I just didn't want to face Relations Exterior after 15 years to get to imigrado including the four year wait for to begin the FM3 so I had to own a businessI undocumented. I just didn't care any more about completing the process. You are the only one that I know of who has completed the process. You have proved that it can be done. Congradulations on that too. I have thousands of hard back English Books in unread condition. Do you want to buy them?
 
 
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