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kwatts7304

Oct 3, 2011, 7:32 PM

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My family is leaving in November to travel through Mexico and after carefully researching and reading Mexconnect, I thought it was better to enter into Mexico through Piedras Negras (sp). We were going to travel with three other families that are returning home for a safer trip. However, they want to enter through Matamoros. From all of my reading, Matamoros seems as if it is extremely dangerous. My question is what would be better, entering with three other cars and traveling together through Matamoros or traveling by way of Piedras Negras with only our family. We are traveling to Puebla. I know that traveling through Mexico is dangerous and nothing is guaranteed. I am just trying to get a feel of what anyone else would do if in the same situation.

Thanks in advance

Kim



Judy in Ags


Oct 4, 2011, 11:53 AM

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We will be going to the U.S. from Aguascalientes on Saturday. For the last several years, we have always crossed at Piedras Negras and plan to use the same crossing this time. I don't know if that is of any help to you or not.

Best wishes!


Altahabana


Oct 4, 2011, 12:39 PM

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As someone who lives in Tamaulipas and travels frequently in the tri-state area (Tamaulipas/Nvo. Leon/Coahuila), my advice for what it's worth is to take a route through an area where there is no active fighting between competing cartels. The Zetas and Gulf cartel are involved in a vicious war in most parts of Tamaulipas and in Nuevo Leon.

In Coahuila (with the exception of the Torreon metropolitan area) there is not inter-cartel fighting. Piedras would be my choice---we visited my wife's aunt and her cousins about a month ago and it was pretty quiet.


RickS


Oct 4, 2011, 1:04 PM

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Kim, at best all one can do is research information and then 'listen to their heart'. What you will get, from me and others, is just an opinion. I've said before that, statistically speaking, the chance of your 'running into a cartel problem' crossing anywhere is extremely slim... extremely. But one might not want to pick a crossing that has a higher potential, although it might still be a low potential overall.

Basically that is what has been going on with crossings that has one driving more in the state of Tamaulipas, especially if one then drives more-or-less parallel to the border on Hiway 2 westward or down into the countryside of Tamaulipas in the areas around Valle Hermoso or San Fernando. A person who posts on this forum (he just posted above!), and who lives and does business in this general area on a daily basis, recommends that one think twice about driving in this area. Others say he is being overly pessimistic about it. For my money, I'll listen to him and have decided that, for myself, I'll not drive in that area for a while. But again, statistically I could and probably not get into a dangerous situation.

If it were me (and it will be in a couple of months), I'd pick either Laredo or Piedras Negras as a route down towards Puebla. Laredo will give you more freeways and probably more folks traveling the road. Hiway 57 down from Piedras Negras is a very good highway (even the 2-lane portion below Monclova is straight and wide) but one will encounter few travelers that route. I've used that road twice in the last 2 years. For me, it's more proximity to where I'm going or coming from.

As to another of your points..... traveling with others..... I am of the opinion that, from a potential drug cartel problem, it would be of absolutely no value to travel with others vs doing it 'alone'. What's a friend going to do if you both come up against a zeta roadblock.... help you bust through?!? To me, that thought is just a psychological thing, but if that gives one a better feeling about making the trip, then by all means.... but don't plan on it helping much IMO.

That was the long-winded version. The short version would be to cross at either Laredo or Piedras and take the freeways, skirting Monterrey, Saltillo, San Luis Potosi. Then, south of Queretaro a bit, take the new Arco Norte cuota bypass of DF which will drop you off onto a freeway just west of Puebla.

Which ever route you choose, just remember.... statistically speaking you'll probably be just fine.

(This post was edited by RickS on Oct 4, 2011, 7:04 PM)


dongringo_catemaco


Oct 4, 2011, 3:03 PM

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It would help to know where you are coming from, then I would suggest the closest border crossing with the fastest way to your destination. A projection of which crossing would be "safest" in November is fortune telling.

By the way "I know that traveling through Mexico is dangerous" is true. There really are some miserable roads, with giant speed bumps, missing curbs, bad signage, uninsured drivers, cattle on the road, and highway robbers at every toll station. Those will cause you potentially more problems than criminal elements. Watch out!
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kwatts7304

Oct 4, 2011, 5:44 PM

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Thank you guys so much. I had originally chosen Piedras Negras because of you guys here on this forum. When I found out the others were planning to go through Matamoros, I told my husband that I felt that we should go alone and go through Piedras Negras (sp), however, I have never been there and I know that many on this forum have much experience with traveling so I knew that I could trust the opinion's of those that have already been there. It's not traveling through Mexico that worries me. Its getting past the border area where most of the fighting is going on. There is no cartel activity where I am going which is a very small colony near Peubla. I am moving from North Carolina so its not a problem to travel a bit more for a better chance for safety. I have followed this site for about a year preparing and really respect what people's opinions are. Again, I appreciate your thoughts and opinions regarding my travel. I will stick to my original plan and go with Piedras Negras.

PS Rick, your post was not long winded. Beautifully written and very informative (which, btw, is why I have followed Mexconnect for the last year.) Thanks again.

Kim


chinagringo


Oct 4, 2011, 6:06 PM

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Kim:

Please follow the news out of that area between now and when you cross. Things can change rapidly and I don't think you would want to stick to your current decision should incidents flare up.
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Neil
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Altahabana


Oct 5, 2011, 5:15 AM

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I think it is very unlikely the situation will get worse in Coahuila over the next two months. It is about as stable a situation as you will find along the Texas-Mexican border.

Another advantage is that Highway 57 leading south from Piedras is in good condition and except for one small stretch free throughout the state. The immigration/vehicle permit station is 30 miles south of Piedras, just outside Allende and right on the highway.


kwatts7304

Oct 5, 2011, 6:58 PM

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I will definately keep watching Mexconnect for new details. Altahabana, thanks so much for the information on immigration and Hwy 57. I have seen posts before about that highway and that nothing big had happened to tourists on that route yet. I am so excited to make this move and can't wait until I get there and experience all of the things I have seen online. The opinions here and Rolly Brooks website has given me so much information that I don't imagine we will have any trouble but it doesn't hurt to ask those that have already traveled that road.

Thanks again for all the help on this.

Kim


RickS


Oct 5, 2011, 7:26 PM

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"The immigration/vehicle permit station is 30 miles south of Piedras, just outside Allende and right on the highway."

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and small and all in one building and quick and.........


Altahabana


Oct 6, 2011, 12:33 PM

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Somewhat related. There is some type of confrontation going on in Nuevo Laredo this afternoon. I heard about it an hour ago and the Consulate in Nvo. Laredo has just sent an advisory. Very sketchy information but it sounds like a moving balacera with blockades of Highway 85 (the Monterrey highway) just outside the Coloso Loop.


rayitodeluna

Nov 5, 2011, 2:11 AM

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Kim, are you still in the US ? We are crossing through PNegras ( if all goes well) This coming week. I will pm you, maybe we can caravan! Headed to Mexico City

Eta: see update below. We arent passing thru PN

~~~~~~ Enjoying life in northern D.F. with our family of Americans and chilangos.
Family and expat blog here : http://threecurlygirlys.blogspot.mx/ ~~~~~~

(This post was edited by rayitodeluna on Nov 6, 2011, 12:33 AM)


kwatts7304

Nov 5, 2011, 9:40 AM

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Just as an update to everyone, I postponed my trip because of the new fighting taking place in Piedras Negras, I read on Borderlandbeat.com that the military and the Zetas are fighting in the city. There was only one article in the last week and and I haven't heard anything new about the immediate area. If anyone is in that area, can you please keep us updated about conditions or if anyone else has any new entry ideas.

Thanks

Kim


rayitodeluna

Nov 6, 2011, 12:36 AM

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Kim, are you still in the US ? We are crossing through PNegras ( if all goes well) This coming week. I will pm you, maybe we can caravan! Headed to Mexico City

Eta: see update below. We arent passing thru PN


Just to correct my lack of geography skills here folks...

We are driving through McAllen TX, going the Anzulduas Bridge route. REYNOSA is on the other side of that crossing, not Piedras Negras. Off to hang my head and shame and study a map of Mexico before I REALLY look confused. Man, I could use an 8 hour night of sleep!

~~~~~~ Enjoying life in northern D.F. with our family of Americans and chilangos.
Family and expat blog here : http://threecurlygirlys.blogspot.mx/ ~~~~~~


RickS


Nov 6, 2011, 10:35 AM

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"new fighting taking place in Piedras Negras, I read on Borderlandbeat.com that the military and the Zetas are fighting in the city."

Could you be more specific to which incident it is that you are referring? I have not seen a 'recent' report of any 'activity' in Peidras other than the account below on October 16th, and which appears to have been a couple of incidents in a colonias but seemingly not associated with any 'through traffic' in Pedrias. This incident seems to not fit your description of "the military and the Zetas are fighting in the city".

See:
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/...-piedras-negras.html


Altahabana


Nov 7, 2011, 5:30 AM

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I postponed my trip because of the new fighting taking place in Piedras Negras, I read on Borderlandbeat.com that the military and the Zetas are fighting in the city.

The military and the Zetas are fighting in Nuevo Laredo daily, but it is small scale and usually confined to the west side colonias. It is happening in Piedras too, its just that it is smaller scale and rarely makes the news because Eagle Pass/Piedras is off the beaten track. The military has been conducting an organized offensive against the Zetas and Gulf cartel in Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon and to a lesser extent northern Coahuila for the past couple of months. None of this should affect travelers who are just passing through.


kwatts7304

Nov 7, 2011, 10:23 AM

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There was an article in Borderlandbeat.com regarding fighting in Piedras Negras in October. It said that it started over a convoy of stolen vehicles, which turned into a fight with the Zetas. Then apparently, it lead the military to a house in Piedras Negras where a very large number of people who had been kidnapped, where found. An 18 wheeler was also found with (I am guessing here because I don't remember) 9 tons of drugs. But since I don't live in that area, I can't tell if it is isolated or if the military is starting to move into that area. I have not ever been to that area so when I read this article, it made me think that I should wait for a month or so to see what is happening there. I read Blog Del Narco (Mil Cincuenta) and Borderlandbeat.com daily to see where the fighting and issues are going on. I was quite surprised that Piedras Negras was mentioned. Even the writer of the article stated that it had been a relatively quite area since the war in Mexico began. Again, I am thinking its still the safest route based on the articles I read. I am still planning on taking Hwy 57 all the way down. I am giving it a bit of time to make sure it was an isolated event. I had received a message from someone inquiring if I had left yet and added an update to reply.

Kim


chinagringo


Nov 7, 2011, 10:39 AM

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Another source of area specific news that I often find useful is:
http://www.lapoliciaca.com/...as&x=14&y=11

The above are the results of a Piedras Negras search that I did. The home link for the site:
http://www.lapoliciaca.com/
In the right hand column, you can request State specific news or do a town or city search in the top search box.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Altahabana


Nov 7, 2011, 1:58 PM

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Of course you should do what makes you feel most comfortable, but the situation in Piedras has not really changed appreciably. The Zetas are entrenced in Piedras and there has been a significant military presence in the area for at least two years. What was reported in Borderland Beat was a spontaneous incident which could happen at any time. Nothing of significance is going on there inspite of what might have been implied by the article.

Organized car theft, cargo hijacking and kidnapping are and have been staples of the Zetas' criminal racketeering activities in northern Coahuila for some time. Few of their activities though pose any threat to travelers and in comparison to other areas of the north central-northeastern border area, there is a much lower level of criminal activity (with the exception of drug transport) because the area is relatively isolated.


patdale

Nov 12, 2011, 11:58 AM

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Lots of good information here. We will be crossing the border at Nuevo Laredo on 11/21. We did this 2 years ago. Hopefully things have not changed too much. I know about the deposit for the car now. We are going to get our banjcercito at the border this time. When we returned in 2010 we crossed at Piedra Negra and I remember the road seemed so isolated. For that reason we decided to stay with crossing at Nuevo Laredo. We will cross in the morning and stick to the main roads and toll roads. We will be spending the night in Metehuala and then onto GDL for the next night with our arrival in PV on the 23rd. Can't wait to get back home to PV. We will also be crossing with our little dog.


wiloran

Nov 12, 2011, 5:47 PM

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Enjoy the drive Pat - we look forward to seeing you and Dale when you arrive.


patdale

Nov 12, 2011, 7:04 PM

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Thx Lori. See you soon!


Altahabana


Nov 13, 2011, 7:13 AM

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Lots of good information here. We will be crossing the border at Nuevo Laredo on 11/21. We did this 2 years ago. Hopefully things have not changed too much.

Things changed dramatically for area residents when the Zetas and the Gulf cartel split and started fighting openly in February 2010, but those changes won't affect a traveler who is just driving through on their way to the interior. Nuevo Laredo has been spared much of the violence that has plagued other border cities in Tamaulipas and in the interior of the state.


patdale

Nov 13, 2011, 6:47 PM

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Well, Feb. 2010 was the last time we crossed over, from Mexico to Texas, on our way home. I don't plan on having any difficulties and we will cross early in the day and always drive straight through those areas.
 
 
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