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Rolly

Aug 30, 2011, 7:35 AM

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Aduana has changed the rule for reporting changes in your visa status to preserve your vehicle bond.
Now you must report on or before the expiration date of your visa, not 15 days after.
Read the details here.

Rolly Pirate

YucaLandia

Aug 30, 2011, 10:39 AM

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Rolly,
Can you give us a reference for the change in policy? The Aduana main webpage of press releases didn't mention it, and this Aduana webpage http://www.aduanas.sat.gob.mx/...culos/141_11220.html still shows the 15 day window after changes or renewals of INM permissions:

"Si su plazo se prorroga por ampliación o refrendo a su calidad o cambio en la calidad migratoria de no inmigrante a inmigrante rentista (siempre que exista continuidad en las calidades migratorias), para que la garantía que dejó no se haga efectiva, debe presentar en cualquiera de las 49 aduanas del país, un escrito en formato libre, dando aviso de dicha circunstancia, dentro de los 15 días hábiles siguientes a aquél en que se le hubiera otorgado la prórroga, ampliación, refrendo o cambio en la calidad migratoria de no inmigrante a inmigrante rentista, debiendo anexar copia del comprobante de dicho trámite, así como del permiso de importación temporal del vehículo y, en su caso, la tarjeta de internación. "

I also checked the Banjercito pages, and I couldn't find the change.
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steve
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Rolly

Aug 30, 2011, 11:47 AM

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I refer you to this.

I had heard this previously, but dismissed it as coming from a source I did not find credible.
Spencer, the author of the referenced post, I regard as highly creditable.

Rolly Pirate

Bennie García

Aug 30, 2011, 12:39 PM

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In Reply To

I refer you to this.

I had heard this previously, but dismissed it as coming from a source I did not find credible.
Spencer, the author of the referenced post, I regard as highly creditable.

I highly doubt much of the information your source posts. I believe they have always issued the permits with a maximum of 180 days or when an FM3 or FM2 expires. Whichever comes first. What is new about this?

YucaLandia

Aug 30, 2011, 12:42 PM

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Thanks!

If this interpretation of how the rules will be enforced is correct, then there's a Catch-22: Since many FM2 and FM3 renewals take more than 30 days to process, then Banjercito would illegally(?) claim the vehicle deposits of those expats, even though they have met the written and published requirements of both INM's and Aduana's laws and rules. Let's hope that this is just a localized (mis)-interpretation of the rules. Are there any examples of the rules being enforced this way, or is this conjecture?
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Rolly

Aug 30, 2011, 1:19 PM

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I believe they have always issued the permits with a maximum of 180 days or when an FM3 or FM2 expires. Whichever comes first.

When I entered the country, I was given a time equal to my FM3 which was almost a year.
The aduana guy tried to give me only 180 days, but I knew that was not right. I objected, so he called his supervisor who agreed with me.

Rolly Pirate

stevebrtx

Aug 31, 2011, 5:32 AM

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I may be cynical, but I see a more subtle motive behind all this, and that's to build a nice fat bank account for MX. It's a calculated program much like rebates, lots of people don't ever claim them, for manufacturers that's money in the bank, and the States tax on the full amount of sale, no refunds, money in the bank, now MX starts collecting an average $300 a car and calculates a percentage or people will forget, screw up, or they'll make it darn near impossible to get it back, money in the bank. Some of us never figure on leaving and MX will grab the money, but then for whatever reason we do leave again and return, kaching, another $300 in the bank.

This is a two part strategy, right now many have expired plates from NOB, today it's not a problem, the next step will be to either require us to keep plates current, which in some cases can be done by mail, but not by all states, or we'll have the option to get MX plates, kaching, money in the bank.
http://www.chapalaweather.net

Rolly

Aug 31, 2011, 7:01 AM

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those thoughts have crossed my mind too. I hope they are not true.

Rolly Pirate

stevebrtx

Aug 31, 2011, 7:14 AM

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Everyone wants/needs revenue and $300 one time for an import isn't bad - as long as it goes to the right place, not someone's pockets. By contrast; Belize would cost me $6,500, no apology offered. For Aduana it's a win win situation, they get interest on the money, or they get to keep the money, or worst case they have to give back money that's not theirs to begin with. The key to it is to begin collecting from newbees as they are doing now, then they need to figure a way to herd the rest of us through the chutes to milk us at least once, or require MX plates for recurring revenue. I'm sure we're all along for the ride, the trick is to stay out of the ditches.
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Gambrinus

Sep 2, 2011, 8:29 PM

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I refer you to this.

I had heard this previously, but dismissed it as coming from a source I did not find credible.
Spencer, the author of the referenced post, I regard as highly creditable.

When I went to your source I came across this statement ......a month and half they're suppose to be opening up importation?

Can you elaborate on this?

robt65

Sep 5, 2011, 12:13 PM

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Hi Rolly,

After reading this referenced site (below to lake Chapala’s Inside Lakeside”) you posted as a link on here, I am more confused than ever.

Re: Car Import Permit Changes http://lakechapalainfo.bigforumpro.com/t2145-car-import-permit-changes
I am currently in Texas for some VA medical appointments. I came across into Reynosa Mexico and kept my permit (issued to me on 30/04/2011 and due to expire on 28/10/2011 (180 days) on my Tahoe with Kentucky Plates, figuring I would be back in time before having to renew my vehicle permit. In the mean time I got bit by a Brown Recluse Spider and was hospitalized for about a month. I paid the Permit Fee at the Reynosa border crossing for both my vehicle and trailer by Credit Card (a total of $988 MX Pesos) and it was deducted from my bank account at that time. I really do not want to lose that money and again have to pay again for another permit. I would not be able to meet the 30 day processing time to receive any necessary papers for my permit to be valid.
My FM2 “Inmigrante” “Rentista” expires on 28/10/2011, at which time I will renew it in Queretaro at the Immigration Office there. I plan to return back home in Queretaro at the end of September . My question is . . . . . . . what would be the most efficient way for me to return without any hassle, from keeping my permit? I did not plan on having to make this last trip for medical appointments when I originally got this permit in April of this year. Right now, I believe I am still legally (in Mexico) covered by the vehicle permit. I am very concerned about losing my $988 MX Pesos, if I wait to have the permit extended in Queretaro when I get my FM2 renewed at that time. If I get another vehicle and trailer permit as I cross the border now, the expiration date of the new permit would not change and I would gain nothing from that.
Would you suggest that I just come across and keep my present permit and get to the immigration office in Queretaro as soon as possible after my return to renew both my FM2 and Permit for my Tahoe and trailer?
I am very confused at this time about this issue of vehicle renewal permits. This fellow “Intercasa” on “Inside Lakeside” seems to know what he is talking about. What is your gut feeling about this? I sure do not want to screw this up and want to do the right thing.
Thanks for your feedback.
robt65

Rolly

Sep 5, 2011, 2:11 PM

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Come on back as planned. Go to INM as early as allowed, explain your car problem and ask them to renew your FM2 as quickly as possible so you can deal with aduana in a timely manner. Remember, this mess only affects your bond, your car remains legal even if you lose the bond.

Rolly Pirate

robt65

Sep 5, 2011, 3:45 PM

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Thanks Rolly,

I appreciate the feedback. It makes good sense to me.

robt65

Rolly

Sep 10, 2011, 11:59 AM

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The following is edited from an e-mail from a lady who recently (September 2011) got a vehicle permit at Nuevo Laredo. These are the things she was told. [My comments are in brackets.]

1. A car permit, which allows the car to be temporarily imported to Mexico, is valid for 5 years, as long as your visa is valid (i.e., renewed each year).

[Good for only 5 years? Does that mean one must return to the border to get a new permit every 5 years? Are those of us who got permits before the bonding change are grandfathered in?]

2. The car permit is associated with the date that your visa must be renewed annually . The Banjercito agent said that my permit is good until Feb 8 when my FM3 has to be renewed. Once INM renews my visa, I must go to an Aduana office to obtain a document that validates the car permit for another year. I was told to staple or otherwise attach it to the car permit documents, which should be kept in my vehicle at all times. She didn't think there was a fee for the Aduana document.

If I do not obtain the Aduana document, I forfeit my $300 initial deposit and must reapply for a new permit. If the Aduana document is not obtained, I was told the use of my car in Mexico is illegal and subject to police action. [This is in direct contradiction to Aduana Article 106, but it is in agreement with a previous post.]

3. Here's the change that really impacts me, and I suspect will impact many others who live in Mexico and use a non-Mexican plated car: If I drive north across the border, I must turn in my car permit at the border Banjercito, and when I come back to Mexico, I must reapply for a new permit. I was told my 00 deposit would be returned to me (in cash or credited to my credit card). The new permit will require the $300 deposit, and I will be charged the current processing fee (now at $48.84).

It used to be that I and many others didn't turn in our car permits; we went back and forth across the border with the original hologram on the windshield. The change will result in more hassle, paperwork and time spent at the car permit offices, and Banjercito will increase its revenues thru the collection of more processing fees.

[Is there any enforcement mechanism to force people to turn in their permits?]

4. What I didn't think of asking is: what happens when we've hit the 5-year mark for our visas? Do we have to go to the border to apply/get a new car permit?

5. I paid in USD, because I am not confident that Banjercito has the ability to credit my credit card in the future, especially if I change credit car companies or my card number changes.

6. I was also told by the INM agent that anyone crossing into the US should go to the INM office to have our passports stamps for the exit and also upon return to Mexico. I cannot tell you how many times I've been shooed thru the border by INM agents without their stamping my passport. The INM agent at Laredo says it's our responsibility to make INM agents at borders stamp our passports. I even asked about the Columbia crossing where there is nobody at the crossing and the Laredo agent said he couldn't respond to why the crossing didn't have an INM agent present.

Rolly Pirate

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stevebrtx

Sep 10, 2011, 12:34 PM

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Ah ha, what did I tell you, so it begins. Well, we'll give the system a test on Oct 10th, late afternoon and again on the 18th early morning when I cross and cross back without turning in my sticker, or stamping, or FMM etc. Just consider it a public service by a "sacrificial dummy" to see if anything has changed.
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robt65

Sep 10, 2011, 3:37 PM

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Hey stevebrix,

Maybe I can save you a little grief. I will be leaving here (TX) on or around the 23rd of September or earlier to go back to Queretaro. Read my earlier post here to Rolly. I am in the same situation apparently as you. It's going to be interesting for sure. I will post if I have any problems.

robt65

stevebrtx

Sep 10, 2011, 4:54 PM

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Great, you first. My problem isn't that I don't want to turn in the sticker (although I don't), but I have a trailer on it and no way I'm dragging it to the border every time I go home, so it will be interesting.
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robt65

Sep 10, 2011, 6:16 PM

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Hi Again,

Steve read the whole previous post. I have kept my permit sticker and did not turn it in when I crossed into Texas. I also travel with a two axle 16 foot enclosed travel trailer. I have been stopped, when I was home in Queretaro several times without my trailer and simply explain that the trailer is at home and I am not wasting all the gas pulling around an empty trailer. I have never had a problem with that explanation as recent as this past July.

robt65

stevebrtx

Sep 10, 2011, 6:58 PM

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It's not a matter of being stopped down here, that has happened to me a number of times and no questions and even at the 20 mile check point S of Laredo, It's not being able to turn in the sticker at the border due to the trailer, and now with the new rules, I definitely do not have any interest in turning in the sticker and giving them $300.
http://www.chapalaweather.net

robt65

Sep 10, 2011, 8:24 PM

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AHHHHH ! Gotcha ya now! Yes, you are in a different situation than I for sure. Well good luck to you, be careful.

robt65

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sparks

Sep 12, 2011, 8:29 AM

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I just read on another site (Mexico Mike I think) .... that cash deposits will be returned to you in 24 hours. If that's true it would sure put a crimp in a smooth exit

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