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ronincolima

Aug 29, 2011, 7:42 PM

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My friend has just been offered a job in Mexico and will be moving down soon.

However the salary is much less than that required to get an FM3.

Is that a problem?


Thanks for any advice.



Rolly


Aug 29, 2011, 7:51 PM

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Re: [ronincolima] Salary vs Amount required for INM

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No, it is not a problem. Your friend will have a visa with a working permit.
That does not require him to prove an income from outside México.
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Rolly Pirate


richmx2


Aug 30, 2011, 11:16 AM

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The confusion probably comes from TMI (too much information). Most of what is published, or on the internet, about moving to Mexico is about RETIRING to Mexico, which would over-emphasize that "rentista" visa.

I recognize that everyone's situation is different, and their expectations, needs, etc. differ, but living here and working here are very different things. I can't recommend Rolly's site (rollybrook.com) highly enough, but would add that even for people taking executive type jobs, they check out sites like ESL Cafe (for foreign teachers) and the like to get a feeling for the "challenges" and cultural differences.

For business executives, Ned Crouch's Mexicans and Americans: Cracking the Cultural Code (Intercultural Press, 2006) is useful, although it focuses solely on management and the workplace environment.

Joanna van der Gracht de Rosado's "Magic Made in Mexico" (Editorial Mazatlán, 2010) is required reading for those who will be involved in business here... or having to integrate themselves into Mexican culture on level beyond learning to read a menu and talk to the plumber. Ms. van de Gracht came to Mexico to work at the age of 20, married a fellow worker, and launched a successful business, raised a family and integrated herself into her community. While also her story, it includes the "basic training manual" for living within Mexico while maintaining your own identity as a (in her case, Canadian) whatever. Full disclosure: I work for the publisher.

I wrote a 80 page booklet several years ago for foreign teachers moving to Mexico City, which is out of date when it comes to talking about prices and whatnot, and is Mexico City specific, but has some value as a guide to the less-talked-about cultural adjustments (sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, among others) for foreign workers (not bosses). The paper cost is way over-priced, and for those who can't download it for one reason or another (I think Lulu.com require a U.S. credit card), I just send them the PDF file and ask them to give 20 pesos to some beggar or the Mexican Red Cross ladies when they're here. I hope to withdraw that book from the market soon. It's one of our lower priorities, but Editorial Mazatlan has been looking at a book specifically for the younger, working foreigners in Mexican.

And, naturally, one should frequently check Mexconnect.com.


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La Isla


Aug 30, 2011, 11:43 AM

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I am not on a rentista visa but have what-used-to-be-called-an-FM3 that allows me to work in Mexico, in my case as an English teacher in Mexico City. I recommend that anyone who is thinking of moving to Mexican and working as an English teacher take at look at these two websites: David's English Teaching World http://www.eltworld.net/...s/viewforum.php?f=48 and Dave's ESL Cafe http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewforum.php?f=26 & http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewforum.php?f=59


(This post was edited by Rolly on Aug 30, 2011, 11:54 AM)


richmx2


Aug 30, 2011, 12:00 PM

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Thanks for posting the links to those sites... and correcting my over-sight. Those sites offer a lot in the way of shared experience not just for those working in an educational setting, but for anyone working in Mexico.


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La Isla


Aug 30, 2011, 12:17 PM

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The second site is relatively new, which is probably why you hadn't heard of it. On both sites, there's a wealth of information and the occasional kvetching about living in Mexico.


NEOhio1


Aug 31, 2011, 8:41 AM

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For business executives, Ned Crouch's Mexicans and Americans: Cracking the Cultural Code (Intercultural Press, 2006) is useful, although it focuses solely on management and the workplace environment.


I liked reading this book, as a non-worker here it was still relevant to the mindset encountered in my daily life. It was helpful.


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whynotwrite

Aug 31, 2011, 1:30 PM

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My friend has just been offered a job in Mexico and will be moving down soon.

However the salary is much less than that required to get an FM3.

Is that a problem?


Thanks for any advice.

Everyone has given very good advise so nothing to add there. What has intrested me was the "much less" part. With the requirement around the 14000 peso a month range or 3500 a week, "much less" than that could be an interesting stay in Mexico.


La Isla


Aug 31, 2011, 2:07 PM

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Hopefully, an interesting stay and certainly a frugal one!


davidkrug

Sep 4, 2011, 6:16 PM

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I always tell people it's easier to go down the path of working first in Mexico, or being a "tourist" then going straight for the FM3.

It's less invasive. Proving income to Mexican authorities always has seemed a bit invasive to me.

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La Isla


Sep 4, 2011, 6:39 PM

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I always tell people it's easier to go down the path of working first in Mexico, or being a "tourist" then going straight for the FM3.

It's less invasive. Proving income to Mexican authorities always has seemed a bit invasive to me.


Some confusion here. If you want to work in Mexico, you apply for what used to be called an FM3, now called a No Inmigrante visa.


davidkrug

Sep 4, 2011, 6:56 PM

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Yes they have changed the names of the visas, but in essence it's like shuffling cards. Not much changed as far as rules, regulations, and especially enforcements. I'm still so used to calling it an FM3 my bad!

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La Isla


Sep 4, 2011, 7:06 PM

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Yes they have changed the names of the visas, but in essence it's like shuffling cards. Not much changed as far as rules, regulations, and especially enforcements. I'm still so used to calling it an FM3 my bad!


My post was not clear. I didn´t mean to comment on your use of the now obsoletge term FM3, but the fact that you implied that FM3s were only for people with a rentista status. In fact, those seeking to work here legally received an FM3 lucrativa.


richmx2


Sep 5, 2011, 8:10 PM

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I always tell people it's easier to go down the path of working first in Mexico, or being a "tourist" then going straight for the FM3.

The original post was speaking of a person with a job offer, and presumably a bona fide one. While it's still SOP in many businesses for a foreign employee to enter on a tourist visa (and its often unavoidable as far as hiring foreign employees goes), it's a hassle for the employer (since legally, the "employee" doesn't exist until s/he has proper work authorization), let alone for the employee who would in most cases want to live like a normal person... with a bank account, able to sign a lease and apply for benefits like IMSS, that tourists can't do.

It may be somewhat invasive to ask for salary and income, but I can't think of a country that doesn't ask foreign workers to prove they'll be likely to support themselves, nor for non-workers to guarantee they won't be a burden to the state. Look at what a Green Card in the U.S. requires sometime.


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