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tonynico

Aug 27, 2011, 2:07 PM

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I tried finding a breeder in Mexico but I could not find one that tests for Hip desplacia, ( again my spelling is not up to snuff)
Anyway I decided to by a dog in the U..S and have it shipped in as cargo

That said my moving guy did not wait until I had an fm3 he paid for bringing in my goods since he was combining a load and got paid for both loads doing one trip..

So I can still import using my fm3. The question is can I import the puppy under the fm3 and avoid the cost of $500
they charge for the importation of a dog?

One up date things are going great loving Mexico but I am fighting a spider might infestation on the Hibiscus
I think I will eventually get them under control but it is an up hill battle

Tony

(This post was edited by tonynico on Aug 27, 2011, 4:51 PM)

mazbook1

Aug 27, 2011, 2:25 PM

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Where in the world did you get the idea that México charges $500 USD to import a dog? or that you would have to use your FM3 to do so?

I have heard some pretty crazy urban myths about living in/working in/doing business in/moving to México, but this one tops them all. With the correct vet certificate (maybe costing you $50 USD per pet in the U.S.), there is no hassle or charge of any kind to bring a dog, dogs, cat, cats with you into México. IT JUST AIN'T SO!!!

Now if YOU are not bringing the dog into México yourself, but leaving it up to some freight carrier to bring it in as "cargo", what THEY are going to charge you is their business. They can charge whatever the traffic will bear. As long as the dog has the correct vet papers there is still no charge to bring it into México, unless, just maybe, Aduana were to call it merchandise for resale and charge some import duty on it or tax (IVA-16%) on the value, but you would have no control over that, since YOU are not the one bringing the dog into México.

Think of it this way. If you buy a new expensive camera NOB, and immediately bring it with you to México, you will pay no duty or tax on it regardless of your visa status. BUT, if you order the same camera from the United States, you are certainly going to pay both duty and tax (IVA) on the declared (invoice) value, regardless of your visa status. I can see where that line of thought could lead Aduana to charge both duty (if any) and tax (IVA) on the value of a dog brought into México, regardless of your visa status.

YOU can bring in all the pets you want without any hassle at all, but ¿who knows? what the rules are for buying and IMPORTING a pet from a foreign country. I've never heard of anyone doing such a thing.

(This post was edited by mazbook1 on Aug 27, 2011, 2:56 PM)

tonynico

Aug 27, 2011, 4:56 PM

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You just heard of someone doing it me
It is almost impossible to find a breeder of Rotweilers that check for Hip problems and other problems that are know to be
common in this breed. I could not bring a new puppy with me I had to much stuff to take as is. So I am importing the dog
and yes customs charges $500 because the dog is going as cargo. plus a need of a customs broker.
I was hoping I can take it using my fm3 to avoid duty. You are allowed to bring in belongings the dog if going as cargo is a
belonging I would think.

Tony

Rolly

Aug 27, 2011, 5:10 PM

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Pets arriving by air are treated differently than pets arriving in a car.
Your FM3 has nothing to do with the animal control rules.

Rolly Pirate

johanson

Aug 27, 2011, 5:27 PM

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I used to fly between Seattle, WA or Vancouver, BC and Guadalajara with my small dog, under my seat, 4 times per year, starting in 1997 through about 2005 when he died of old age.. I never had a problem and was never charged $500. Yes, I had to pay something like $60 extra to bring him, and yes during stopovers in DFW, I had to walk the dog so it would go to the bathroom, and yes I had to have the vet check him, I believe, less than 3 days before the flight. But I had no other problems.

Now, my Mexican animals stay here when I travel north, (now) 3 times per year.

mazbook1

Aug 27, 2011, 5:56 PM

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As I said, "YOU can bring in all the pets you want without any hassle at all, but ¿who knows? what the rules are for buying and IMPORTING a pet from a foreign country. I've never heard of anyone doing such a thing."

Evidently Aduana doesn't consider the puppy to be part of "YOUR belongings" unless you are accompanying it. To be even CONSIDERED as your initial allowance of "duty free belongings", you would need to get a menaje de casa from the Mexican Consulate in the U.S. that would show him as such, then argue with the customs broker and Aduana, not the folks here on MexConnect. The FM3, all by itself, is insufficient documentation to give your personal goods a duty free status.

I think you should have the dog shipped to the nearest border crossing for you to drive to, meet the dog in the U.S., make certain you have the right vet certificate, then bring the dog back into México with you, FREE OF ALL CUSTOMS CHARGES AND CUSTOMS BROKER CHARGES. Unless you do it this way, it sounds to me like you're going to have the most expensive Rottweiler in México! If that turns you on, go for it!

Rolly, the only difference between bringing pets in by air or by land is the slightly different time lapse between the date on the U.S. vet certificate (which now needs to also certify the dog is free of intestinal parasites) and the date the dog passes through customs. Nothing more. I've done both and know a number of folks who also have done both. There may be additional requirements for buying a foreign dog and having it shipped to México, which is what tonynico is wanting to do, but I have no idea what those would be.

tonynico, Since I assume you are planning on shipping by air cargo, you must know that in the U.S., no airline will accept dogs as cargo until the high temperature at the destination is below 80 F. That's to prevent their death from heat exhaustion in the cargo hold. I believe it's an official Dept. of Agriculture rule. I had to wait until November once before a puppy that I had bought in September in Kentucky could be shipped to me in New Mexico. Just a heads up.

(This post was edited by mazbook1 on Aug 27, 2011, 5:59 PM)

morgaine7

Aug 27, 2011, 7:09 PM

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Tony,

You might want to contact these folks to see if they have any suggestions:
http://gringodog.com/category/pets-mexico/

Kate

PS: I have no experience with them myself, but they were recommended on another Mexico forum.

(This post was edited by morgaine7 on Aug 27, 2011, 7:14 PM)

tashby

Aug 27, 2011, 9:00 PM

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I tried finding a breeder in Mexico but I could not find one that tests for Hip desplacia....

My first instinct would be to try harder given the alternative you're considering.

cookj5

Aug 27, 2011, 10:25 PM

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With all the wonderful healthy dogs already in Mexico who need a caring owner, you want to spend money on a kennel-bred animal that may have hip displasia (and who knows what other) problems? And you want to do this and deal with all the problems of bringing the dog in as cargo and paying customs?

It would be far easier and cheaper to simply get a dog here in Mexico from one of the shelters who are appealing for people just such as you to take their excess animals.

I respectfully suggest that you rethink the whole issue.

tonynico

Aug 27, 2011, 10:53 PM

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Ok so no more time is wasted I asked for info about using an fm3 to help avoid customs. What I got was a few people being judgemental. Different stokes for different folks. Lets make it simple I want a Rotweiler and the breeders are not the best in Mexico. I don't need lectures about homeless dogs. I am fully aware. My wife aif nd I donate quite a bit of money to the humane society and we will be adopting cats. But I want a pure bred Rotti. So please spare me the lectures about all the dogs that need homes. It was a simple question please stick to the facts and keep your personal opinions out of it.
If I sound harsh so be it. But it is you who have decided to pass judgement on me for wanting the best pure bred Rotti I can find. I did go to the humane sociiety but they did not have a Rotti or a Doberman. So I am looking else where
Is this clear enough. So please spare me the tears about all the dogs that need homes. How about all the starving people in the world. Why don't you adopt a few.

Tony

Axixic

Aug 28, 2011, 7:46 AM

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How about how cruel it is to fly a puppy in as cargo? A dog is a piece of furniture to some people.

tonynico

Aug 28, 2011, 7:57 AM

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Anymore cruel then flying with a baby that can't equalize their ears and they fly in pain
Debating must have been your strong point. NOT

tashby

Aug 28, 2011, 8:09 AM

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The champion Rottweiler in the attached photo came from Puebla.

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richmx2

Aug 28, 2011, 8:32 AM

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You fly babies in the cargo hold?

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panama john

Aug 28, 2011, 8:57 AM

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Right! there are many excellent,well bread, rottweilers here in Mexico. It would be much less expensive and easier to look for a good breader here instead of bringing a foreign animal into the country that could possible be more susceptible to some of the local diseases. Rottweilers, although a physcially strong animal, tend to be quite fragile.

Axixic

Aug 28, 2011, 9:02 AM

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I don't fly in the cargo hold and I don't put animals in the cargo hold. If I was forced to fly an animal a long distance, it would be a healthy adult, not a puppy, and I would have someone traveling with the animal. Most show dogs are driven around the country, not flown, because it is so hard on the animal. Do you know how many animals die in airline transportation, don't have food or water and how terrified they are? Great way to start a puppy off in a neurotic life. Like I wrote earlier, animals are just sticks of furniture, if that important, to some people.

Marlene

Aug 28, 2011, 9:05 AM

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We got our Rottweiler here too, as a tiny puppy, 9 1/2 years ago. No papers, but a really nice personality.

Axixic

Aug 28, 2011, 9:05 AM

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Anymore cruel then flying with a baby that can't equalize their ears and they fly in pain
Debating must have been your strong point. NOT

Give a baby a pacifier or a bottle and it can equalize its ears. A baby is also held and comforted and not alone in a dark, noisy, area with no one to comfort it.

tonynico

Aug 28, 2011, 9:21 AM

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Well lets see for the most part the majority of posters showed ignorance with maybe one esception.
1 The airline cargo hold is climate controled
2 for those that say I can find a breeder in Mexico that checks for all these things, it is just empty words I guarantee most if any never looked I have
3 Since none have any constructive advice on the original question this is over

tashby

Aug 28, 2011, 9:23 AM

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So anyway....I guess there's really only one quesiton in this thread. If you want to import an animal from the U.S., ....

1. YOU can bring the dog in for "free", assuming you have all the correct paperwork that satisfies Mexican authorities, and if YOU are traveling with the animal by air, or by land.

2. If YOU are going to ship the animal as cargo and not travel with it, then I guess according to your research, YOU will have to hire a customs broker to somehow escort it through the process at the Mexican airport since you won't be there to do it. And YOU will have to pay whatever fees are involved.

3. The only other option I can think of would be to have a friend travel with the animal, importing it as their own. Then they could just give it to you.

Good luck.

EDIT/P.S. Breeders don't check for health issues in puppies. Veterinarians do. And I understand they can be hired.

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Axixic

Aug 28, 2011, 9:56 AM

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I was going to post that the OP should have a local vet check the dog out also. I guess telling the OP that veterinarians check for hip dysplasia is also not part of the information he wants. If I wanted a quality Rottweiler, and I wouldn't for any reason, I would find a puppy in the local area that looks good to me and ask the breeder if I can have a vet check the puppy out. That would be less traumatic for the puppy, I would get a healthier dog and spend less money.

Axixic

Aug 28, 2011, 10:07 AM

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Obviously you can't imagine how the puppy feels being transported this way and you look for justification for your indifference. Maybe you have never spoken to baggage handlers who occasionally are kind enough to check on the animals that are transported. None of them would ever ship an animal this way. It is still dangerous even with new laws that are supposed to protect the animals and it is extremely traumatizing.

http://www.thirdamendment.com/animals.html

Maybe you shouldn't own a dog. Did you ever think about that?

We replied constructively and your questions were answered. You just don't like the answers.

(This post was edited by Rolly on Aug 28, 2011, 10:38 AM)

eyePad

Aug 28, 2011, 10:13 AM

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hi tony, I'm on your side. Obviously the cultural bias in this thread is USA all the way. Here in Mexico, most people don't give a ^#%@#$ what you do with a dog. And I don't see any cruelty in your plans.
apáñatelas como puedas

tonynico

Aug 28, 2011, 11:18 AM

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Might be a nice dog but within five years that is when problems start to show. I hope yours does not have problems. As I said even with testing there are no guarntees

halfmexi

Aug 28, 2011, 11:29 AM

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I hope your perroto survives the trip, that it doesn't acquire any mental anguish from its stay in the cargo hold, remains healthy and survives many years in an environment for which it's DNA and immune system are not used too.

Another ignorant gringo heading down.... don't we already have enough?

VOTE MAYAN ...For A New Tomorrow!

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