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jrpierce


Jul 26, 2011, 9:21 AM

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Without a doubt, the current debt crisis in the US will have some kind of impact on Mexico--possibly major--though we are in uncharted waters so it is hard to say for sure. For example, right now the US dollar is weakening big-time. While I haven't seen any major changes in the peso/dollar exchange rate yet, it could happen. This may all happen whether or not the US defaults, as the likelihood of a downgrade in the US credit rating seems probable even without a default.

During the last few years, there has been significant decoupling of the Mexican economy from that of the US, however the two countries are still major trading partners, and funds flows between the two countries are enormous.

As we are all contemplating the impact of all this on our daily lives here and our savings/portfolios, I thought I'd call on the collective wisdom of this board to see what course others are following. I am increasing our stockpile of pesos thinking that currency fluctuations may be crazy during the next few weeks/months.


What are the rest of you thinking/doing?


Jim





whynotwrite

Jul 26, 2011, 10:05 AM

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 I emptied my dollar accounts this morning. Everything is now in pesos. I did not get the exchange rate I wanted but that is the way it is. I see the US defaulting as part of the general plan.


stevebrtx

Jul 26, 2011, 10:53 AM

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I pay my rent in USD's and was in the Village yesterday and stopped by the Rental office and talked with them a bit. I said if my SSI check doesn't come through this month could I pay in pesos. I assured them I couldn't imagine that happening, but my NOB acct is a sweep acct, I pay the rent and pretty much move everything else down here. They discussed it a bit and decided I could transfer pesos like I do for utilities and they could accept that. Again on my way out I told them I couldn't imagine that happening, but was just curious.
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Reefhound


Jul 26, 2011, 11:04 AM

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I just think it's incredibly ironic that Goldman Sachs can lecture the U.S. on debt management and threaten to downgrade their credit when it was the U.S. that had to bail out Goldman to the tune of $10 billion to keep them in existence.


jrpierce


Jul 26, 2011, 11:15 AM

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I didn't know Goldman was doing that, and if they are it would be ironic. I'm more concerned about Moody's and S&P.

Jim



raferguson


Jul 26, 2011, 11:24 AM

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I am not suggesting that people buy gold, but there are big question marks about the dollar and the euro. There is the possibility of a significant drop in value of the dollar, the euro, the US and other stock markets, value of bonds, etc. The uncertainty is a concern, of course, but if the US politicians do the right thing, things will calm down. I am just sitting tight with a diversified portfolio, no gold or other hard assets.

If bad things happen to the US economy, it seems to me that the Mexican economy is so tied to the US economy that the peso will tend to track the US dollar. So if your income is denominated in US dollars, your cost of living in Mexico is not likely to change much.

Richard


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jrpierce


Jul 26, 2011, 11:40 AM

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Well, I'm pretty much where you are Richard. Though I am stocking up on pesos for the short run because I expect there will be currency gyrations. I too am maintaining a diversified portfolio without metals, but selling out of a couple of positions with plans to buy back in when the market settles down. Between this going on in the US and the problems in Europe, I expect a bumpy ride for awhile. Fortunately we don't need current income from our portfolio.

To me the great mystery is the Mexican peso. When the subprime crisis started this whole spiral, many wrote that the strength of Mexico's economy meant it didn't suffer as much as it would have historically. We shall see where we go from here.

Jim



whynotwrite

Jul 26, 2011, 1:02 PM

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you, richard, may not be buying gold but Mexico has...nearly 100 tons a couple months ago. The press called it the largest single purchase in history. Agustin Carstens has done a great job in Mexico and has focused on protecting Mexico from the USA´s problems. Of course every country in the world is in danger when the US plays money games. Look what Wall Street and the banking system did to the world. Greece is just another country to fall, then there was England, Iceland... make your own list.
And speaking of impunity, how about those Wall Street executives and the the banking executives who bankrupt not only businesses and families but entire countries. That is impunity.


cookj5

Jul 26, 2011, 1:45 PM

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We're diversified, about 50% in stocks, 50% in good bond funds and lots of cash. Whatever happens, we will be able to ride it out, even if it is another recession. It's good that Mexico has been reducing its dependence on trade with the US. However, I pity the poor folks back in the states who are either jobless or just hanging on by their teeth. The people on the bottom are always the ones who get whacked first and are the last to recover. The people on the top just get their bonuses and wonder what all the fuss is about.

I agree with Reefhound, Goldman Sach's has a lot to answer for. They have thoroughly salted the key positions for federal economic decision making with their operatives. George Bush's outgoing Sec. of Treasury was head of Goldman, and Barack Obama's first chief of his Council of Economic Advisors was a top figure at Goldman (and that only scratches the surface of their penetration). As The Who song goes "Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss..."

For a look at the list of who all these people are and what gov't positions they have held: http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/goldman-sachs-career-government-job/

Nothing will change until we thoroughly clean house of these financial bloodsuckers, and those like them from other companies. Now where did I put that guillotine...?


stevebrtx

Jul 26, 2011, 1:45 PM

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I'll admit it is a bit odd living with one foot in each country, not sure which one to step down on, something I never ever imagined I'd be doing. And, I'm the last one to know what to do next, the only thing I ever learned about money was how to spend it, so now in my old age I'm trying to learn and learn to anticipate what is most productive for my meager resources.
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raferguson


Jul 26, 2011, 3:24 PM

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Actually, the biggest cost to the US government, in the bailout, was Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. Most of the TARP money has been paid back, and it can even be argued that the government made a profit. Goldman Sachs has actually paid back the government.

People love to demonize the banks, but the banks were not what ended up costing the taxpayer.

The losses at Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae, both pseudo-government corporations, will far outweigh any losses at any bank, and will probably cost the federal government in excess of 300 Billion dollars.


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http://247wallst.com/2010/10/21/taxpayer-cost-of-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-could-reach-363-billion/


If you want to read more about how Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae went so far out on the limb, and how Barney Frank and other politicians protected those organizations from regulation, read the recent book, "Reckless endangerment".

We are probably drifting away from a Mexico focus, however. ;-(

Richard


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Axixic


Jul 26, 2011, 3:59 PM

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Without a doubt, the current debt crisis in the US will have some kind of impact on Mexico--possibly major--though we are in uncharted waters so it is hard to say for sure. For example, right now the US dollar is weakening big-time. While I haven't seen any major changes in the peso/dollar exchange rate yet, it could happen. This may all happen whether or not the US defaults, as the likelihood of a downgrade in the US credit rating seems probable even without a default.

Jim



It is unconstitutional for the U.S. to default on its debts. The debt ceiling arguments are ridiculous politics. The debt ceiling is not for new debt it is for current debt. If the U.S. credit rating isn't hurt now with the debt it carries, why would it be in the future. Getting the U.S. debt back to being manageable isn't impossible to do.

Fourteenth Amendment

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


jrpierce


Jul 26, 2011, 5:09 PM

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An interesting theory, Axixic, however even Obama said he would not hang his hat on the 14th amendment and ignore the issue, because his lawyers advise against it, and because how the Supreme Court might rule is uncertain. I'm no constitutional lawyer, but it appears there may be problems going that direction.

Jim



panama john

Jul 26, 2011, 5:55 PM

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Change more dollars to pesos, buy gold and silver.


joaquinx


Jul 26, 2011, 6:09 PM

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Change more dollars to pesos, buy gold and silver.


Way too late to buy gold and silver. Buy Swiss Francs.
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panama john

Jul 26, 2011, 6:13 PM

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Not so! Gold and silver have a long way to go.


joaquinx


Jul 26, 2011, 6:21 PM

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Not so! Gold and silver have a long way to go.


Anything but US dollars and Euros. I'd invest in dead rabbits if there is an ETF.
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panama john

Jul 26, 2011, 6:34 PM

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Excellent idea! I'd go along with that in a minute.


Axixic


Jul 26, 2011, 7:24 PM

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An interesting theory, Axixic, however even Obama said he would not hang his hat on the 14th amendment and ignore the issue, because his lawyers advise against it, and because how the Supreme Court might rule is uncertain. I'm no constitutional lawyer, but it appears there may be problems going that direction.

Jim


I recall him saying he did not want to push it. Obama avoids fights if possible. Obama taught Constitutional Law so I'm sure he knows that the Constitution outweighs a 1917 law that contradicts the Constitution and is outdated anyway. No modern country has a debt ceiling law. Every attorney I've heard discuss it has said Obama has the authority to keep paying the debt and Congress can sue but if a law contradicts the Constitution, the law looses. It has never been challenged because this is the first time a situation like this has occurred. The debt ceiling is always raised.


jrpierce


Jul 26, 2011, 8:34 PM

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I'd invest in dead rabbits if there is an ETF.


Hilarious, Joaquinx! If you find it, send me the ticker and I'll invest too! ;)

Jim


robt65

Jul 27, 2011, 6:05 AM

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So what's anyone's best guess how far the peso would swing to the dollar in the short run? Anyone care to guess on the length of time it would take to level out at current rates again?

robt65


jrpierce


Jul 27, 2011, 8:27 AM

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I wish I knew! But check out this article in English in El Economista:

http://eleconomista.com.mx/...27/fc-mexico-at-risk

An excerpt:

"President Felipe Calderón acknowledged Tuesday that Mexico could face a sudden flight of foreign capital, abrupt changes in interest rates and sharp fluctuations in currency trading if the United States were to fall into a debt moratorium."

Jim



YucaLandia


Jul 27, 2011, 5:21 PM

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Actually, the biggest cost to the US government, in the bailout, was Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. Most of the TARP money has been paid back, and it can even be argued that the government made a profit. Goldman Sachs has actually paid back the government.

People love to demonize the banks, but the banks were not what ended up costing the taxpayer.

The losses at Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae, both pseudo-government corporations, will far outweigh any losses at any bank, and will probably cost the federal government in excess of 300 Billion dollars.
We are probably drifting away from a Mexico focus, however. ;-(

Richard


I agree about the drift from a Mexican focus, but I beg a little leeway:

Mexican banks played their hands very differently from American banks, which meant the Mexican economy and Bolsa did not take the trillions of losses that the American market and economy took.

US banks made $60 billion in bad real estate loans, that US investment banks like Goldman Sachs then packaged into junk investment packages. Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros, and other big US banks then loaned money to investors of $30 - $40 of loans per every $1 of the junk mortgage loan packages that they were selling and had sold.

This 30:1 margin lending by US banks leveraged the $60 billion of junk mortgages (that banks created and bundled) and raised the losses to roughly $1.8 trillion.

US banks' junk mortgages and junk bundled investments and 30:1 mortgage lending were critical parts of the financial crisis, that caused the whole system to nearly collapse and caused the US Govt to bail out many firms crushed by the Crisis.

Goldman Sachs also had lots of bogus insurance policies on their junk investments, policies that they got from AIG. When AIG was collapsing due to the US Bank's hijinks, Goldman Sachs and the other big banks demanded that the Fed and the Treasury rescue AIG, so that US taxpayer dollars would pay off the AIGs bogus insurance policy (a.k.a. Credit Default Swaps) payouts to Goldman Sachs, et al. These 100's billions of bailouts flowed through the intermediaries to Goldman Sachs et al, to cover-up what should have been massive losses due to bank mismanagement.

This was a giant shell game where the US new media and politicians only turned over one shell, and announced that everything was going to get better.

Trying to claim that US banks losses, greediness, foolishness, and Federal Government rescue dollars that quietly went through back-channels to the banks, are somehow not important, ignores roughly $3 trillion of direct US bank-caused-losses and messes, not to mention how the crisis rolled through the rest of the world's financial markets.

Again, Mexican banks never got involved in Credit Default Swaps, never got involved in junk mortgages, never got involved in bundling small junk investments/mortgages into big junk investments, and Mexican banks never got into 30:1 and 40:1 margin lending, nor did they play the high risk financial shell games of Credit Default Swaps.

While US Main Street banks went bonkers trying to lend money to lots of unqualified home buyers, and while US Investment Banks went bonkers trying to get fabulous-but-unrealistic ROI's, Mexican banks and Mexican fiscal policy remained staid,

I off all this to try to keep all the pertinent facts on the table when comparing the performance of the 2 currencies, and the fiscal and monetary and regulatory systems behind them. Mexican regulators also would not allow the kinds of shenanigans that American Banks played, as US regulators sat on their hands. No negative interest loans issued by Mexican Banks.

Looking to the future: Have we seen lots of US bankers and US regulators being fired or being led away in hand-cuffs and orange jump suits?

Doesn't this mean that the same key players who caused the greatest financial crisis of a century, are still in power and still making the decisions? This core cadre of US politicians, US regulators, and US bankers are still in power and still calling the shots.

Will these leopards change their spots?

This all points to the Mexican Peso looking more stable than the US dollar for at least another year, partly due to the far more sound fiscal policies of Mexican financial, monetary, and regulatory systems and the better run Mexican banks.

Finally, this simple analysis says little or nothing about how well US politicians are currently handling the spiraling near $15 trillion of debt and the Debt Ceiling vs. Mexico's handling of their finances and modest $410 billion of public debt.
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whynotwrite

Jul 28, 2011, 5:59 AM

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 Nicely stated and written.


Brian

Jul 28, 2011, 7:26 AM

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"Finally, this simple analysis says little or nothing about how well US politicians are currently handling the spiraling near $15 trillion of debt and the Debt Ceiling vs. Mexico's handling of their finances and modest $410 billion of public debt. "

On the revenue side, would the USA be better off dropping the personal income tax in favor of the Mexican-style IVA? Similarly, instead of Obamacare andMedicare/Medicaid would the USA better be served by the IMSS and Seguro Popular models. Of course, you get what you pay for and it seems that America can no longer pay for what it's got.
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