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bwjimbeamer

Jul 12, 2011, 10:56 AM

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What documents do I need to have notarized by an apostille for FM3 and IMSS application?

Is that done in mexico or can it be done prior?

Thanks in advance

Rolly

Jul 12, 2011, 11:04 AM

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Re: [bwjimbeamer] apostille

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Marriage and birth certificates.
It must be done in the state where the certificate was issued.
Full details on the subject are here.

Rolly Pirate

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karenanron

Jul 12, 2011, 11:04 AM

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Re: [bwjimbeamer] apostille

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This is a question I was going to ask the people at YES when I get to Merida next month. I'm thinking marriage cert and birth cert. I'll grab a bucket of popcorn and wait for the responses.

karenanron

Jul 12, 2011, 11:06 AM

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Boy, Rolly is fast. Beat me to it

bwjimbeamer

Jul 12, 2011, 11:24 AM

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Thanks! Yes Rolly is fast!

tonynico

Jul 12, 2011, 3:23 PM

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Boy OH Boy
I just went through this
The birth certificates are no good even though they have a seal. After 9/11 you need to get a new one. After you get it you have to have it certified. When you apply for it tell them you want it exemplafied ( did I spell that right?)
so you get the new birth . with a exemplafied paper on it then get it certified then apostile

Marriage certiicates same deal you need to have one recent and all you need on this is a exeplifed stamp or seal then you can get the apostile. Same deal with divorce papers

All in all it was a lot of running around but I figure in case I need it better to be safe then sorry. No chance to do it from Mexico

Tony

La Isla

Jul 12, 2011, 4:09 PM

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In 2007 I got everything ready for my move to Mexico, including getting an apostille for my birth certificate, the original one issued many years ago, way before 2001. I had no problem getting the apostille while I was still in the US, and it was accepted by INM in Mexico City.

esperanza

Jul 12, 2011, 6:04 PM

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The only true answer to this question, like the answer to many if not most questions about Mexico, is "IT DEPENDS".

On what?

It depends mostly on where you plan to get your FM-3 and IMSS. Each office has different regulations, and each office applies national regulations in a slightly different way. In other words, consistency is not the strong suit of Mexico's government offices.

It's all but impossible to answer your question from where any of us sits, unless someone here has recently applied for an FM-3 and IMSS in the exact location where you will apply. And even then it could have changed, sometimes from one day to the next.

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Rolly

Jul 12, 2011, 7:16 PM

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While I agree that the rules are not uniformly applied, nevertheless, it behooves one to come fully prepared.

Rolly Pirate

tonynico

Jul 12, 2011, 7:16 PM

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I meant to
say because of 9/11 not after 911i
The state dept has uniform rules. They will not except an original birth cert. issued way back when. I just went through it I can assure you what I say is correct.
I got every thing I can think of appostile. divorce papers for my wife ( her birth cert. does not reflect her passpot name
She kept her x husbands name. So I got her birth cirt, her marriage cert. her divorce cert and our marriage cert appostile
to show a chain. Otherwise they would look at her birth cert. and say how is so and so your brith and passport don't match.j
all documents had to be reissued they claimed it was to old. then I had to cert. them and exemplify them then the appostile
What fun. and what expense. What a rip off!!
Tony

Rolly

Jul 12, 2011, 7:23 PM

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A little background,please Tony. Where was this? What office?
What do you mean by "state department?"
What is "exemplify?" I have never heard of that.
Thanks

Rolly Pirate

tonynico

Jul 13, 2011, 4:47 AM

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To get an apostile The Dept issues them. I got mine in New York

There has been changes recently to apply for new passports for the first time and to get documents authenticated
They no longer except old birth certificates with a seal they now want the long form of certificate. This does not come with a
seal stamped on the document. You have to get a seal stamped after you recieve the new birth cert. You can request that you wanted to come exemplified this is a form attached to the document.

here is the meaning of exemplified

Certified copies of birth and death records from New York City, Los Angeles, Georgia, and in certain other locations in the U.S. can, if requested, be accompanied by a letter of exemplification[4]. This is the first step in a process leading to authentication or an apostille, which are often needed if the record is to be used outside the U.S.; the New York State Department of State, Division of Corporations has a web page explaining this. In Canada and Australia and certain other common-law jurisdictions, exemplifications may be made of any official document by a notary public.

Then you have to go to the state dept and get the apostile

They would not except old divorce papers or marriage certificates all had to be new and exemplified and certified.

I do not know about other states excepting old divorce papers or marriage papers. But I would think that all states will not except old birth certificates. I might be wrong but don't believe I am.

In N.Y. this is the way it is and I think all State Dept offices would have the same requirments

bournemouth

Jul 13, 2011, 6:27 AM

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Tonico - when you say "State Department" one thinks of Washington D.C. Apparently you are talking about something totally different.

esperanza

Jul 13, 2011, 6:35 AM

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Tonynico means the Secretary of State of the state to which he applied for the apostille. Every state has its own STATE (not federal) Secretary of State's office and depending on where your original document was issued, you apply for the apostille at that Secretary of State's office.

In New York, the first step is definitely to get the exemplification. Don't confuse that with the actual apostille, though. (Don't ask me how I know this...lol) Requesting the apostille is the second step.

If you were born in Alabama, married in New Jersey, divorced in California, and your ex-mate subsequently died in Alaska, you will have to apply to the Secretary of State's offices of Alabama (birth certificate), New Jersey (marriage license), California (divorce decree), and Alaska (death certificate) for apostilles of each of the documents recording your history.

It's not hard and it's not expensive, it's just time consuming.

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weakins1

Jul 18, 2011, 2:39 PM

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do it the US. not possible to do any of this in MX.

i have no idea of the current regs. nor how they are interpreted in the office you're going to but in Bucerias, 2 weeks ago only our under 18 daughter birth cert. needed one. not our marriage cert or our birth certs.

many longtime fm-3/fm-2 locals have told me of countless unanswered & constantly changing gov. questions/answers.

if mexico was a person, it would have a DSM-IV label attached it.

good luck! would love to hear some feedback.

robt65

Jul 19, 2011, 9:21 PM

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Sorry Wekins1,

I am certainly not 18 or anywhere near to that age, and do not wish to be. For my personal expierence, I was required to have my birth certificate apostiled to present in Tamaulipas by that particular estado of Mexico's federal immigration office, for my FM 3 (at that time) about 18 months ago, as well as other documents. Read my response on two other similar postings lately, including yours "Current apostile info for FMM to FM3/non-imigrante visa" My answer hasn't changed nor really has your question. Contrary to some peoples expierence, mine was expensive to get the apsotile. Then again, I have gotten local (State) Sec'y of State apostile (in Kentucky) that was only $5 a seal, so go figure. The only thing for sure in (different estatos of) Mexico is that nothing is for sure. Yes, I know this is a Mexican federal law we are discussing . . . . . so (apparently) what difference does that make . . . . . . . especially in Mexico. It well may be different in Bucerias, but that is not representive of all of the Federal Estados of Mexico, that much I have learned for the past few years living here in Mexico in two different estados.

robt65

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clariboe

Jul 28, 2011, 7:18 AM

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It is my understanding that having a document exemplified is a state requirement and some states do not require it. Ask your state's state dept.

clariboe

Aug 11, 2011, 5:58 AM

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Do wills need an apositlle? I have a simple will that complies to Texas law and if I go, most of its provisions are just who gets what. Would Mexico want to probate it or would a will even make any difference? I know death cert need apositlle, but was not sure about wills.

Rolly

Aug 11, 2011, 6:23 AM

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Your Texas will is good in the USA for property in the USA.
If you have property in México you should have a Mexican will covering that property.
Technically, you can have one will that covers all your property in both countries,
but that opens such a can of worms that your heirs will be sorry you did that to them.

Rolly Pirate

jrpierce

Aug 13, 2011, 1:10 PM

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My wife and I have lived in Mexico for more than 3 years. About 3 years ago, we applied for our FM3 and IMSS. We now have our FM2s. We live in Morelia, Michoacán. We never needed to get an apostille for anything.

Those who advise you that things can vary a lot from place to place in Mexico, and that things change, are correct. It is part of the charm of being here. Our local Migración office gave us a list of their requirements for a resident visa. If you can get that in advance, it would likely be a huge help.

Jim