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Jul 7, 2011, 6:25 PM

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Renewed violence in Michoacán

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Blog de Narco is reporting (Spanish language) renewed violence in Michaocán:
http://www.blogdelnarco.com/...-zona-de-guerra.html

No doubt, others will find English-language versions to post.



norteño

Jul 7, 2011, 8:08 PM

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The latest story from the Morelia paper Quadratín appears below. The official story is four cartel members dead, some social networks are reporting dozens of civilians killed as the Blog del Narco story says but no news outlet that I can find has said that. People are reporting their cellular service was shut off during the fighting, which reportedly the government has the phone company do during these situations to disrupt the cartels' communications.

To encapsulate the story below, there were shootouts and roadblocks by burning seized vehicles in about ten municipalities, including Morelia, between about 5pm and 8pm. Prolonged shootouts and extensive shootouts, especially in Apatzingán. Apparently this was set off by the Federal Police and military moving to arrest Knights Templar figures.

http://www.quadratin.com.mx/...-4-federales-heridos

Edited to make live link.


(This post was edited by esperanza on Jul 7, 2011, 9:45 PM)


jrpierce


Jul 8, 2011, 6:36 AM

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From reading all the news articles, this sounds quite similar to the last time this happened last year. A battle in Apatzingán seems to have kicked this off, and the roadblacks were done as diversions to reduce police response. Some news sources are reporting there was gunfire at the Governor's official residence midday, and others are not--and it is unclear whether that played any part in this incident.

As you pointed out, no official sources are reporting anything about civilians being killed. When you say social networks are reporting this, can you tell me which ones and where you have seen this? Thanks,

Jim


esperanza

Jul 8, 2011, 7:00 AM

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The newspaper Cambio de Michoacán reports three civilians killed.

http://www.cambiodemichoacan.com.mx/pseccion.php?seccion=18

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jrpierce


Jul 8, 2011, 7:18 AM

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I just reread that article and you are correct, Esperanza. Either I missed that when I read it earlier, or they've updated the information. Have you any insight about this report of many more civilian deaths reported on "social media?"

Jim


Brian

Jul 8, 2011, 7:28 AM

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Have you been checking Twitter? I can't forward tweets to this forum. Just recently, someone tweeted that seven had been killed and attached this link: http://www.reforma.com/nacional/articulo/615/1228871/

Crap..that won't work. I would suggest folks open a free twitter account and enter search term Michoacan which can be saved for future checking. Here is a cut and paste that won't be pretty:

Ayer se realizaron diversos narcobloqueos tras un enfrentamiento entre policías federales y Los "Caballeros Templarios".
El Procurador estatal reportó la aparición de narcomantas en la entidad firmadas por 'Los Templarios'
REFORMA / Redacción

Ciudad de México (8 julio 2011).- Los enfrentamientos de ayer entre miembros de la organización delictiva "Los Caballeros Templarios" y elementos de la Policía Federal en Michoacán dejaron un saldo de siete civiles muertos y tres agentes heridos, informó el Procurador estatal, Jesús Montejano Ramírez.

"El reporte que nosotros tenemos en la Ciudad de Apatzingán es de siete personas civiles fallecidas, tenemos información que hubo tres elementos de la Policía Federal lesionados pero no de gravedad", informó en entrevista con W Radio.

Montejano Ramírez señaló que en Morelia fueron incendiados siete vehículos, además de que se registraron varios narcobloqueos en las tres salidas carreteras de mayor afluencia vehicular.

Asimismo, agregó, en Uruapan se reportaron narcobloqueos y en Apatzingán se incendiaron nueve vehículos.

Ayer, la Secretaría de Seguridad Pública informó la muerte de cuatro presuntos sicarios, uno más herido, y tres agentes federales lesionados.

Aparecen narcomantas

Con la aparición de narcomantas en diferentes ciudades de Michoacán, el grupo de "Los Caballeros Templarios" se adjudicó esta mañana los enfrentamientos y narcobloqueos ocurridos ayer, afirmó el Procurador Jesús Montejano Ramírez.

"La organización que se está atribuyendo esto, incluso con la aparición el día de hoy de algunas mantas en las diferentes ciudades del Estado, refiere que son el grupo de 'Los Templarios'", señaló.

De acuerdo con el funcionario, la aparición de narcomantas se registró a las tres de la mañana y el asunto ya fue atendido por la Policía estatal y federal.
Hora de publicación: 08:18 hrs.


(This post was edited by tonyburton on Jul 8, 2011, 8:24 AM)


jrpierce


Jul 8, 2011, 7:35 AM

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Thanks, Brian.... I haven't been checking Twitter. What feed are you following with this information? I tried accessing the article on Reforma, but it is blocked for non-subscribers.

Jim

Edit: just saw your edited post. Thanks.


(This post was edited by jrpierce on Jul 8, 2011, 7:38 AM)


chinagringo


Jul 8, 2011, 7:38 AM

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Not social media but I did find the following quote from an article in Borderland Beat:
"In Apatzingan, Army and Marine troops were called in to reinforce the
Federal Police. The official death toll was four Caballeros Templarios
gunmen killed and one wounded, and four Federal Police officers wounded,
none seriously. Unofficial reports attributed to military sources at
the scene reported approximately 38 deaths in the Apatzingan area alone."

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/...ed-in-michoacan.html
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



chinagringo


Jul 8, 2011, 7:58 AM

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With some additional digging, I found the following quote (Google translation):
"Morelia Michoacan .- The prosecutor, Jesus Montejano Ramirez confirmed that they were 7 dead yesterday after a confrontation between elements of the federal police and members of the criminal gang "Knights Templar".
"The report we have in the City of Apatzingan is seven civilians died, we have information that there were three elements of the Federal Police but not seriously injured," he said in an interview with W Radio."


http://www.lapoliciaca.com/...7-muertos-confirman/
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



norteño

Jul 8, 2011, 12:57 PM

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From reading all the news articles, this sounds quite similar to the last time this happened last year. A battle in Apatzingán seems to have kicked this off, and the roadblacks were done as diversions to reduce police response. Some news sources are reporting there was gunfire at the Governor's official residence midday, and others are not--and it is unclear whether that played any part in this incident.

As you pointed out, no official sources are reporting anything about civilians being killed. When you say social networks are reporting this, can you tell me which ones and where you have seen this? Thanks,

Jim


According to the Morelia papers the police say the shooting outside the state capital (Casa de Gobierno) was an ordinary hijacking unrelated to the other violence.

As for the numbers killed in the outlying areas of Michoacán you have to remember that reporters dare not go there and the news reports are simply relaying press releases from the army and government agencies, backed up by images submitted to them by private citizens or taken from YouTube. The link below mentions that these citizens are talking of more than 40 people killed in these clashes but without firm details. So you have to decide which is more likely to be true, what citizens are saying (in some cases possibly deliberately false) or what the government is saying, or something in between.

http://www.sdpnoticias.com/...menos_40_muertos[/u]

Edited for live link.


(This post was edited by esperanza on Jul 8, 2011, 1:03 PM)


jrpierce


Jul 8, 2011, 4:29 PM

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Thanks, Norteño! Good point about knowing whom to believe. Also interesting the assertion in the article that the sites of the news organizations were blocked by the government.

Besides the possibility of purposeful inflation of the statistics by locals for their own reasons, there is also a possibility of the spread of rumors and unfounded stories. There is also, of course, possible motivation to keep official reports muted, or the possibility of officials not being fully informed. Thus, the ideal role for the press in the best of all worlds, is to seek the truth among conflicting stories.

This is the first time I've encountered SDPnoticias.com (the publisher of the article). If you know, is this a web only group? Regarded as a "real" news organization, or blog, or ???

Jim


(This post was edited by jrpierce on Jul 8, 2011, 4:42 PM)


Yacatecuhtli


Jul 9, 2011, 3:34 PM

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More "action" in Michoacán today......


MORELIA, Mich., 9 de julio.- Dos sicarios murieron y uno más resultó seriamente lesionado al enfrentarse en la mañana de este sábado un grupo de presuntos miembros de la delincuencia organizada con agentes de la Policía Federal en la carretera Morelia Salamanca.
Este enfrentamiento se produce luego de los combates del jueves pasado en varios municipios, en los que murieron siete presuntos integrantes de "Los Caballeros Templarios" y varios resultaron heridos, y hora antes de que llegaran a la entidad mil 800 elementos de la Policía Federal para combatir a la delincuencia-
http://excelsior.com.mx/...a&id_nota=751684


! Al pan, pan y al vino, vino !


esperanza

Jul 9, 2011, 4:23 PM

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And then there's this...
http://www.cronica.com.mx/nota.php?id_nota=590969
*sigh*

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wearechange

Jul 10, 2011, 10:37 AM

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1.- Government destroys the Templars.
2.- The lower rank young hitmen are out of a job and resort to robbing everyday people and business owners.
3.- Outside cartels arrive and fill the space vacated by the outgoing cartel.
4.- Corruption at all government levels continues.
5.- The government at all levels fail to provide the number one function of its existence: security.
6.- The U.S. will continue to be the number one drug consumer and provider of weapons.
7.- Many are getting richer but it as sure as hell ain´t me.
 
 
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