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chinagringo


Jul 6, 2011, 7:34 AM

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Going back a number of years on this and other forums, most posters would spell out the word Guadalajara. Now it seems that it has become the exception and "Guad" has taken over in both the written and spoken form.

Does anyone else think that this is disrespectful?
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM




Reefhound


Jul 6, 2011, 9:12 AM

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Are other places with long names treated the same? Abbreviations in informal postings are fine with me. Isn't the airport code GDL? I'd rather go with that.


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Rolly


Jul 6, 2011, 9:58 AM

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NYC, LA. SF, SD, DC, DF...

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esperanza

Jul 6, 2011, 10:09 AM

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My personal reaction to "Guad" is the same as a San Franciscan's hearing "Frisco". Ugh, big-time ugh. In 30+ years in Mexico, I have never once heard a Mexican say "Guad"; that seems to be used only by foreigners. That should be a clue about whether it should be used or not--when in Rome, you know. GDL is the airport designation for Guadalajara and if we must use shorthand on the forums (but not in spoken conversation), that works for me.

I also hear foreigners say and write "PV" for Puerto Vallarta and "SMA" for San Miguel de Allende. I've done the SMA thing myself, but only when writing here.

The Mexican abbreviation for Puerto Vallarta is Vallarta. In referring to San Miguel de Allende, Mexicans generally say either the town's whole name or simply say, when the context is right, 'San Miguel'.

The DF is the correct form for referring to the Distrito Federal. In Spanish, it's always 'el DF' In other words, "Vivo en el DF." "Voy al DF." "Mi mamá nació en el DF." You can use periods after the D and the F when you're writing, if you want, but more often than not I don't see that Mexican writers do it.

People also say and write "la Ciudad de México" when referring to Mexico City.

ETA: crosspost with Rolly.

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RickS


Jul 6, 2011, 11:03 AM

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On this Board it is funny that you would bring up Disrespect.

Indolence? Maybe.

My short answer to your question is "no".


Bennie García

Jul 6, 2011, 12:00 PM

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I really don't think it is either. Just a reflection of how different cultures use language. Most that shorten the name to "Guad" are writing in English to begin with. It would seem out of place in written Spanish but IMO not disrespectful. Just odd.

It is very common these days for Tapatios to refer to the city as Guanatos. Would that be considered disrespectful or indolent? I don't think so.


Bennie García

Jul 6, 2011, 12:02 PM

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My personal reaction to "Guad" is the same as a San Franciscan's hearing "Frisco". Ugh, big-time ugh.


Only because of the pretentiousness of the city's inhabitants. For a place that prides itself on its tolerant attitudes, the people there can get uptight of a triviality. Humans can be hard to figure out sometimes.


Bennie García

Jul 6, 2011, 12:05 PM

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Are other places with long names treated the same? Abbreviations in informal postings are fine with me. Isn't the airport code GDL? I'd rather go with that.


OUCH uuuuuu ouch this hurts! I have to agree with the refer! GDL, in this age of texting and instant messaging, is often used here.


Reefhound


Jul 6, 2011, 12:40 PM

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Are other places with long names treated the same? Abbreviations in informal postings are fine with me. Isn't the airport code GDL? I'd rather go with that.


OUCH uuuuuu ouch this hurts! I have to agree with the refer! GDL, in this age of texting and instant messaging, is often used here.


It gets easier with practice. ;-)


chicois8

Jul 6, 2011, 1:10 PM

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Don't know Neil, I am on the road from PV to SMA via GDL and may visit DF on my way to SCdlC and Playa......drinks at the Rosewood on me.............
Rincon de Guayabitos,Nayarit
San Mateo, California


chinagringo


Jul 6, 2011, 1:41 PM

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Interesting comments on all fronts! While I certainly can see the use of PV, SMA, GTO, etc, to my way of thinking GDL is the designation for the Guadalajara airport. Seeing GDL used when referring to the City doesn't bother me all that much. However, when I read Guad or hear someone say Guad when referring to Guadalajara, it makes my eyeballs wiggle or my ears twitch! Then again, I don't use all of the abbreviations that became in vogue from text messaging. Probably just me?
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



RickS


Jul 6, 2011, 2:39 PM

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"Probably just me?"

Probably just you.....


sparks


Jul 6, 2011, 3:04 PM

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I remember that Frisco sensitivity back in the late '60's but we just figured people using it are from somewhere else ... like so much of the hippie immigration was. Being peninsula people we just called it "the city"

So what's the history of Frisco jeans

Also less typing for old folks who never really learned how

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Reefhound


Jul 6, 2011, 4:51 PM

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idk, ima gess ur ole skool


chinagringo


Jul 6, 2011, 5:35 PM

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Probably so as I don't use smiley faces either.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



tashby


Jul 6, 2011, 5:55 PM

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It is very common these days for Tapatios to refer to the city as Guanatos.


Can you or somebody else give me the derivation/meaning of that nickname? I'm certain I'm showing my ignorance, but I don't care. I haven't heard Guanatos....yet.

And there's no such thing as a dumb question. I insist.


RickS


Jul 6, 2011, 7:41 PM

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Maybe you should, Neil. ;>)


Anonimo

Jul 6, 2011, 11:52 PM

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I try to avoid the use of "Patz" for Pátzcuaro.



Saludos,
Anonimo


JRinPV

Jul 7, 2011, 6:44 AM

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The Mexican abbreviation for Puerto Vallarta is Vallarta.

Au Contraire, we've got that tourist area in the next state - Nuevo Vallarta


esperanza

Jul 7, 2011, 7:20 AM

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JRinPV, I've never once--EVER--heard a Mexican refer to Puerto Vallarta as "PV". It's always Vallarta or Puerto Vallarta. That's all I'm saying.

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JRinPV

Jul 7, 2011, 7:28 AM

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The locals still live in the days when Nuevo didn't exist, it's less than 30 years ago. It's confusing, there's a resort named Jalisco in Nuevo Vallarta !


esperanza

Jul 7, 2011, 7:41 AM

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JRinPV, I have no idea what your point has been in either of your two posts.

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cbviajero

Jul 7, 2011, 7:56 AM

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I'm from LA but now I live in the Perla del Occidente,I type slowly so I'll keep refering to it as GDL.
Chris


Axixic


Jul 7, 2011, 1:41 PM

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I Googled Guanatos and on this forum it is explained. I used Google Translate so it will make sense, that is, if you have a head injury.

http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showthread.php?t=1280

"That's a good question, are forms of which are "Guanatos" the hot dogs here are called "Bulldogs" and instead of saying "I need some nuts" say "occupies some nuts" What if I can say is that Guadalajara call us, because in this part of the country for over 200 years the currency was called Tapatietl ... do not know if this will be of some? now I ask you, why royal? know what a cocktail of Monterrey?"

Second post:

"Of course I know what a cocktail .... Monterrey but it is not subject Regio Monterrey comes from which in turn comes from the mountain king - Monte Rey - Monterrey ...... pretty simple , however, still sounds more to me Guanatos Guanajuato to Guadalajara ..... I have to go more often to linger a few tequilas, stars, cake drowned and pa 'understand ... Greetings Luis! to see when we"


DavidHF

Jul 7, 2011, 5:34 PM

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I lived in the San Francisco Bay area in the 60s when visitors, trying to sound hip, called it "Frisco." As another poster has said, the locals referred to it as "The City." Now I live on the north shore of Lake Chapala and visitors and many expats refer to Guadalajara as "Guad" while our Mexican friends always say Guadalajara. I'd rather have a foreigner say "Guad" than "Gwadalahaira."
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