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Zardoz

Jul 4, 2011, 8:51 AM

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Strict rules on donating blood in Mexico

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Could someone with medical knowledge explain why the rules are so strick for donating compared to
Europe/US/Canada? Some things I understand but some I don't like Age and two days no meat etc etc.
Could this be ancient medical history not being updated or are there reasons I don't understand?

Thanks
Z

joaquinx

Jul 4, 2011, 9:50 AM

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Which rule are you referring?
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chinagringo

Jul 4, 2011, 10:13 AM

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These may be the rules being referred to:
1. Between 18 and 60 years old
2. Weigh more than 50 kg (110 pounds)
3. Fasted for six hours before donating
4. The previous day, have eaten only water, juices, veggies and fruit,
no meat.
5. Medicines evaluated on a drug by drug basis.
6. No recent vaccinations
7. Can't have given blood in the previous 45 days
8. Do not have blood-borne diseases
9. Not pregnant, nursing, or menstruating
10 No tattoos in the past year. Many tattoos will probably be reason to
reject.
11 No alcohol for 48 hours prior to donating.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

joaquinx

Jul 4, 2011, 10:23 AM

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I found these. I don´t read any odd restrictions.

Important:
• Weight at least 110 pounds
• Measure at least 4’11”
• Ages 18 to 65
• 45 days or more from last donation
• No alcohol or medications in the last 48 hours
• No cavities
• Up to 3 months pregnant
• Slept 6 consecutive hours
• Arrive with an empty stomach (only liquids/juice)

People with the following history can’t be donors:
• Homosexuals
• STD herpes
• HIV+
• Bisexuals
• Cancer or diabetes
• Promiscuous heterosexuals
• Prostitute men or women
• Paid donors
• Intravenous drug use
• Malaria in the last 5 years
• Hepatitis at any stage in life
• Heart problems (insufficiency, hypertension, attacks)
• Epilepsy or convulsive crisis

You cannot donate if:
Presently
• Have infection symptoms (diarrhea, fever, cough, flu)
• Are taking medication
• Women are in their period
• Women more than 3 months pregnant, lactating or that just had a baby
• Have active allergies

In the last year
• Had syphillys or gonorreah
• Been in contact with a person with hepatitis
• Had gammaglobulin applied
• Had tattoos, acupuncture or diverse punctures/piercings
• Blood transfusions or derivates
• Organ transplant
• Rabies or hepatitis B shots

In the last 6 months
• Major surgery (3 months for minor)

In the last 28 days
• Smallpox, tetanus, measles shots

In the last 72 hours
• Dental extractions
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simpsca

Jul 4, 2011, 11:15 AM

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No idea why they are so strict and they don't follow their own rules. Hospital San Javier says their rules are you can donate up to age 65. But my friend was refused at age 64. And in Tom's case Ricardo had a list of requirements and the cut off was age 60. The dilemma is that many of us have blood types that are not common in Mexico like A+ I am A+ and 64 and was not allowed to donate.

johninajijic

Jul 4, 2011, 11:26 AM

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Just more ridiculous rules in Mexico!!! As usual.

chinagringo

Jul 4, 2011, 11:31 AM

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With all the things you think are wrong with Mexico, why do you continue to live there?
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

simpsca

Jul 4, 2011, 11:51 AM

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Oops!

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chinagringo

Jul 4, 2011, 12:30 PM

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Would suggest that you read up on bisexuals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality

I highly doubt you are correct in saying that 80 to 90% of the population fits this category!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

RickS

Jul 4, 2011, 12:32 PM

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80 to 90% of the Mexican population is bisexual???

simpsca

Jul 4, 2011, 12:33 PM

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Yes, my mistake - wasn't thinking of the actual definition. I'll edit my post.

joaquinx

Jul 4, 2011, 1:06 PM

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Many of us left the US because of the rules. If you don't like the rules here. . . .
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Zardoz

Jul 4, 2011, 1:12 PM

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Folks I want the MEDICAL reason.

For example Why no meat?
Why limit of 60 or 65 whatever it is?
ETC ETC

I see none of these in the US.

Z

P.S. Folks Ignore John if you don't like what he says. I saw no reason to question why he would
live in Mexico from what he said. Some people just come off a certain way on the internet and
John is one of them. He is not doing any harm. OK back to blood please.

chinagringo

Jul 4, 2011, 1:45 PM

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You may be asking a question that has no one answer. In the particular case of Tommy Thompson, apparently the hospital had their own set of rules which differ from the commonly accepted rules elsewhere. For example, Chapala Cruz Roja has the following:
"The basic requirements for donating blood in Mexico:

Be between 18 and 65 years old
Weigh at least 50 kilos
Never have had hepatitis or dengue or other blood diseases
No dental work in the past three (3) months
Not be on any medication
Not have consumed alcohol within 24 hours.
Know your blood type"

In order to get a medical explanation, I would think that it will take a Mexican Medical Doctor to even provide clues as to every aspect.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

simpsca

Jul 4, 2011, 7:45 PM

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And I met all those requirements, but Ricardo had a list of blood donor requirements and read me the list and when I spoke to him he still needed more blood. His hospital list said no older than 60. I am a perfect match but age 64.

Dreamer Blue

Jul 5, 2011, 7:09 AM

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Just this past winter, when an acquaintance in Ajijic was rushed to hospital and required blood, the same questions and concerns about the age limitation arose. Thank goodness someone went in to the hospital and actually checked in person because even though we had all been told no-one over 60 could donate, turned out they had no problem with anyone up to 65.
Perhaps the written rules are CYA and exceptions can be made if they see you are healthy. Perhaps the rules are old and have been changed but new documentation has not been written. Perhaps each hospital has different rules. Who knows? As with all things, in Mexico and elsewhere, I would go in person and find out for myself.

simpsca

Jul 5, 2011, 8:11 AM

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I had major surgery 10 years ago. A friend volunteered to donate blood in case I needed it. We went to San Javier for my pre-admission tests and friend went along. When I mentioned he would be a donor they asked to see his license or ID. When they saw he was 64 they told us he was too old to donate. But they typed me and said they would have a supply of my type on hand.

johninajijic

Jul 5, 2011, 9:20 AM

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simpsca and others -
Restrictions:
Epilepsy - what the hell does that have to do with blood other than an epileptic takes medication?

Paid donors - many blood donors are paid in Mexico.

Promiscuous heterosexuals - what country are you going to find heteros that are not promiscuous? NONE and certainly not Mexico. Where did all those 15 y/o mothers come from?

Bisexuals - There's no test for that.

Yacatecuhtli

Jul 5, 2011, 9:36 AM

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Epilepsy - what the hell does that have to do with blood other than an epileptic takes medication?

since you asked .......

When Dick Beam first tried to donate blood about ten years ago, he was rejected as a donor because he had epilepsy....................For decades, the Red Cross did not allow people with epilepsy to donate blood for fear of adverse reactions......

http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/epilepsyusa/beam.cfm

! Al pan, pan y al vino, vino !

simpsca

Jul 5, 2011, 3:12 PM

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Well John, you are wrong on the promiscuous heterosexuals. There are probably quite a few of us who are not promiscuous only we are mostly over 60:-)

Zardoz

Jul 5, 2011, 6:49 PM

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Focus on the question please not lifestyles.

Why no meat for two days?? (for example)

Questions about health of meat years ago and never updated??
Past medical beliefs that just got stuck and never changed ??

I understand conditions that take medicine and they don't want that
in the blood so if you had epilepsy and take phenobarb which was
the treatment in the past maybe they thought it would affect the
reciever of the blood for example.

Thanks
Z

Bennie García

Jul 6, 2011, 11:52 AM

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Why no meat for two days?? (for example)

Clembuterol?

Zardoz

Jul 6, 2011, 12:23 PM

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It is actually cleNbuterol and it also a banned substance for athletes in addition to the animal uses below.

Below are two small quotes from Wikapedia

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In September 2006 over 330 people in Shanghai were reported to have been poisoned by eating pork contaminated by clenbuterol that had been fed to the animals to keep their meat lean.[11]
In February 2009, at least 70 people in one Chinese province (Guangdong) suffered food poisoning after eating pig organs believed to contain clenbuterol residue. The victims complained of stomach aches and diarrhea after eating pig organs bought in local markets.[12][13]
In March 2011, China's Ministry of Agriculture (MOA) said that the government would launch a one-year crackdown on illegal additives in pig feed, after a subsidiary of Shuanghui Group, China's largest meat producer, was exposed for using clenbuterol-contaminated pork in its meat products. A total of 72 people in central Henan Province, where Shuanghui is based, were taken into police custody for allegedly producing, selling or using clenbuterol.[14][15]
The European Union prohibits the use of clenbuterol in food-producing animals. It is, however, used in other parts of the world for the treatment of allergic respiratory disease in horses, as it is a bronchodilator. A common trade name is Ventipulmin. It can be used both orally and intravenously. It is also used in cattle to relax the uterus in cows, usually at the time of parturition.[16] It is also a nonsteroidal anabolic and metabolism accelerator, through a mechanism not well understood. Its ability to increase the muscle-to-fat body ratio makes its illegal use in livestock popular to obtain leaner meats.

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Thank you Bennie, this is the kind of info I am interested in.

Z

Bennie García

Jul 6, 2011, 12:44 PM

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It is actually cleNbuterol .......

Z

Actually, if you want to be a pedant and all, it is cleMbuterol if you spell it in Spanish! The rule is alway 'm' before 'b'.

It has been in the news off and on in this country for a number of years. Most recently when several members of the Mexican national soccer team were banned from participating in the Gold Cup because it showed up in their anti-doping tests. They claimed it must have been ingested from tainted meat, something which isn't as far-fetched as it may seem to people unaware of its illegal use by cattle producers in thsi country.

Zardoz

Jul 6, 2011, 2:09 PM

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Thank you Bennie I never would have thought of that but that is what happens when one assumes.

Z

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