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dongringo_catemaco


May 20, 2011, 10:30 AM

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A friend was deported from Mexico on a visa violation charge two years ago. Does anyone know whether he can legally return to Mexico now?
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La Isla


May 20, 2011, 10:48 AM

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Re: [dongringo_catemaco] Deportation

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I suggest that first you check the INM website (http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php) and then maybe talk to someone at your local office for advice.


esperanza

May 20, 2011, 10:49 AM

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Re: [dongringo_catemaco] Deportation

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<consults crystal ball>

What did they tell your friend when he was deported? This kind of deportation can be permanent, can be for 10 years, or...? This is a question for immigration, as each case is individually considered.

ETA: cross-post with La Isla.




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tonynico

May 20, 2011, 2:51 PM

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Re: [esperanza] Deportation

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I have a curious nature. What did he do to get deported?

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mexliving

May 21, 2011, 8:19 PM

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Re: [tonynico] Deportation

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years ago i read post of teachers being deported by imigration..... the facts are: if someone calls imigration on you, imigration will do their investigation... then they come and get you.. place you under custody and file the paperwork to deport you via airplane...

that means that your belongings are left behind for anyone to take or steal.... so most likely , someone that person knows would do it on purpose to rob them ...

sad but true.


richmx2


May 21, 2011, 8:37 PM

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Well, yeah... that's the risk any "illegal alien" faces, although simply being undocumented is no longer a reason in itself for deportation from Mexico. From the U.S., yes (after a stay in a U.S. prison!)

It may make a difference if the person was deported for something no longer deportable (like a visa violation) though if it was for something serious (or the person was an undesirable alien) it might be more complicated. Of course, with so many MEXICANS having recently been deported from the U.S. it is considered extremely tacky to ask why a person was deported. It is none of our business.


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tonynico

May 21, 2011, 9:03 PM

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Then I guess I am tacky. I have no problem with that.

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dongringo_catemaco


May 21, 2011, 11:29 PM

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Re: [tonynico] Deportation

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INTERPOL had requested an arrest. Mexican Feds arrested him, checked his visa, found it outdated, and turned him over to immigration, who within 24 hours, placed him on a plane to Europe. Saved Mexico the possible protracted extradition hassle.

His wife prefers not to waken sleeping dogs by contacting SRE or INM. The unsolved question is whether his name would pop up in a computer at a border or airport visa issuing facility. I guess only a recent deportee trying or having returned, could answer that. I searched for case law, but found none on the internet.
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Vichil

May 22, 2011, 7:33 AM

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Re: [dongringo_catemaco] Deportation

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An Italian professor from San Cristobal de las Casas was shipped back to Italy in February this year after working there for 14 years. He was picked up taken to the drug enforcement unit in Tuxtla sometimes in December and released after interrogation in Dec 2010. The university asked him why he as picked and he said he did not know...
In February he went to renew his FM3 and was put on the first plane to Madrid and then Italy. He was not even allowed a phone call to his wife. The Italian consulate told her about the deportation the following day.
My guess, he wrote articles for a leftist paper , may be he smoked some dope but that would have been the excuse to get rid off another leftist activist in Chiapas.
Who really knows why he was deported but he obviously pissed off somebody somewhere maybe your friend has an enemy somewhere.


La Isla


May 22, 2011, 9:50 AM

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First the OP reported that his friend was deported because of a visa violation. Now it turns out that Interpol was after him. Hmmm, the plot thickens . . . !


Vichil

May 22, 2011, 10:28 AM

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Deportation for visa violation is the quick way to get someone out of the country . This is what happen when the infamous Joran was send back to Peru from Chile.
Who knows what this man did to get deported dongringo_catemaco did not really tell us the real reason beside the usual Visa violation.


La Isla


May 22, 2011, 11:19 AM

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Re: [Vichil] Deportation

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The OP did write:

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INTERPOL had requested an arrest. Mexican Feds arrested him, checked his visa, found it outdated . . .


The ostensible reason for the deportation is that he was here on an expired visa. Of course,the real reason is obviously something more serious than overstaying a visa.


norteño

May 22, 2011, 8:58 PM

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Well, yeah... that's the risk any "illegal alien" faces, although simply being undocumented is no longer a reason in itself for deportation from Mexico.

Then what is this all about, from this week's news?

http://www.wradio.com.mx/nota.aspx?id=1474753

Migrants rescued in Chiapas are deported...

México.- The dream of getting to the United States was frustrated for 513 migrants detained Tuesday at the Tuxtla-La Angostura intersection in Chiapas. The National Migration Institute reported that, in coordination with the consulates, the undocumented subjects began to return to their countries of origin.

400 Guatemalans have been repatriated after treatment, mainly for dehydration and asphyxia. The Guatemalan Consul in Mexico, Hector Sipac, told W Radio that this is the largest deportation of his fellow citizens in recent years...



Vichil

May 23, 2011, 7:03 AM

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They keep catching migrants by the truck load in Chiapas and they are deported immediately so I guess the guys in Chiapas have not hear that migrants should not be deported....


norteño

May 23, 2011, 7:32 AM

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They keep catching migrants by the truck load in Chiapas and they are deported immediately so I guess the guys in Chiapas have not hear that migrants should not be deported....

It happens all over the country every day and is reported in the news:

http://www.milenio.com/node/725112

151 undocumented subjects, mainly Central Americans, were arrested in four highway operations in Chiapas, San Luis Potosí, Oaxaca and Nuevo León...

After the INM operation, which was assisted by the Federal Preventive Police, the illegal subjects were transferred to the Cruz Verde facilities in Guadalupe to begin the medical checks that are performed in these cases, in order to then place them at the disposition of federal authorities and begin the repatriation process...



Vichil

May 23, 2011, 7:53 AM

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Of course it is happening all over the country and in the US as well, I was just being sarcastic.


esperanza

May 23, 2011, 8:06 AM

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Note that the deportees are mainly undocumented Central Americans, not US citizens. In Mexico, undocumented Central Americans are treated very much like undocumented Mexicans are treated in the USA. I.e., not well.




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chinagringo


May 23, 2011, 8:30 AM

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You mention undocumented Central Americans and I am guessing that they simply transport them to the southern border and where they go from there is their problem. On the other hand, included in these reports are mentioned Chinese, other Asians and with less frequency Africans. While they too are generally coming in from the south, I have to wonder just what sort of transport they are given?
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richmx2


May 23, 2011, 12:13 PM

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Norteno (excuse the lack of tilde -- I'm on a U.S. laptop right now): my remark was in reference to the post above mine, about people being picked up from work for no reason other than not having proper documentation. That is no longer a criminal matter. HOWEVER, they may be fined and their employer may have a lot of 'splainin' to do. And they may have to leave the country and re-enter on a proper visa. At any rate, no barrier to re-entry, and not a criminal matter, but a regulatory one.

The Central Americas, etc. as reported in the Milenio article were not being treated as criminals, which was the point of the article. While I'm not in favor of giving 'TMI' about other people's problems, the original post suggested the person who was deported was deported for a 'visa problem' and left out the complicating criminal matter. My point was that a "visa problem" in itself should not be a barrier to re-entry. A pattern of 'visa problems' (and/or other issues, like having been expelled as an undesirable alien) might be another matter.

As to the Chiapas professor. There are a lot of questions about his expulsion, and it appears as if a "visa problem" was used as a rationale for an apparent abuse of power... and short-cutting the legal process by which he could be expelled some violation of criminal or civil law, rather than bending the regulatory process. Whether the professor, by writing on the Chiapas situation in an Italian newspaper was also interfering in Mexican politics is open to debate. It appears he was also active in local politics.

At any rate, that was something outside the realm of a a discussion of a simple "visa problem" ,


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Marlene


May 23, 2011, 10:55 PM

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Re: [dongringo_catemaco] Deportation

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If INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) was involved, I can assure you this had nothing to do with an expired visa in Mexico. He was obviously deported to face a criminal charge in another country. That is how this international 'system' works. None of us on the forum could realistically speculate on whether he would be able to legally enter Mexico again or not. That's something only he would know.


(This post was edited by Marlene on May 23, 2011, 11:01 PM)


surebought

Jun 13, 2011, 9:22 PM

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I would try going to the Mexican Consul and get and pay for a Tourist Visa. From years of experience with IMM it would surprise me very much if past expulsions were in the computer. In our area, I don't think I have heard about an expulsion in years.


dongringo_catemaco


Jun 15, 2011, 10:26 AM

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The case cleared up. Apparently Mex immigration is obligated to inform a deportee of how many years (up to life) a deportation order is good for. They failed to do so in his case probably because of the speed with which it was done.

Turns out that he was assigned 3 years of no return. He has solicited a reduction of that "sentence" on humanitarian grounds and should be returning to Mexico shortly.

The question of whether border computers reflect deportation status is still open.
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