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Moisheh

Jun 4, 2011, 7:11 PM

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Just when we thought all was good. A freind posted this today

http://www.aduanas.gob.mx/...culos/141_20885.html

I could not find this in Spanish but it looks like you have to lkeave a deposit of up to $400 and you must notify Aduana when your FM3 renews. This law should quickly kill all tourism via car into Mexico. Would you give them $400 plus the fee??

Moisheh

chinagringo

Jun 4, 2011, 7:21 PM

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I just went to the link provided and maybe I am missing something but I don't see that anything has changed?
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

robt65

Jun 4, 2011, 8:15 PM

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Hello Moisheh,

I remember very well that one time I chose not to carry my Visa Card and had to pay a USD cash bond of actually $435.00 of which $400 USD in equivalent MX Pesos was refunded upon my turning in my permit. No muss, no fuss. Is it possible that maybe your friend was referring to a cash bond, in lieu of leaving a copy of his credit card.

robt65

Moisheh

Jun 5, 2011, 4:19 AM

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neil: That link clearly states that even though you must pay the fee for the car permit you also must leave a "guarantee: between $200 and $400 depending on the year of your vehicle. That money will be refunded whewn you return the vehicle BEFORE the expiry date. Your car permit no longer renews with your FM3 ( or whatever the current name is). You must notify Aduana when your papers renew. Both of those items are new. Robt.: My friend is well aware of all the regs., old and new. He once owned a large RV park and has worked with the Tourism Secretary.

sparks

Jun 5, 2011, 5:38 AM

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I thought it said it's good for extensions ... but even if it is, it sounds like you don't get your money back 'till the car leaves Mexico

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stevebrtx

Jun 5, 2011, 6:34 AM

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As I posted on the other thread, the interesting section is #6, they talk about if the car is wrecked or sold in Canada or US which to me assumes you CAN take it out of country without turning in the sticker.

After reading more I found a place mentioning "multiple" entries for Mexican Nationals, but no mention of people like us. So, don't know if we're NOT allowed by omission or not. That's the problem with so many regs, they are contradictory allowing the guy you're dealing with to make up his own version.

Personally I've got a brain cramp and had about all the fun I can stand trying to figure this one out.
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(This post was edited by stevebrtx on Jun 5, 2011, 6:44 AM)

esperanza

Jun 5, 2011, 7:40 AM

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Moisheh, please re-read #5 in that list. It very clearly says this: "Si eres extranjero con calidad migratoria de inmigrante rentista o de no inmigrante, la vigencia de tu permiso será igual a la vigencia de tu calidad migratoria, sus prórrogas, ampliaciones y refrendos, siempre y cuando exista continuidad en las mismas. Toma en cuenta que deberás presentar un aviso a la autoridad aduanera dentro de los 15 días siguientes a aquel en que se autorice la prórroga, ampliación, refrendo o cambio en la calidad migratoria, a efecto de que no se haga efectiva la garantía que otorgaste al tramitar tu permiso."

That translates to: "If you are a foreigner with immigration status of rentista or no inmigrante, the validity of your permit [the temporary import sticker for your car] is equal to the validity of your immigration status, its extensions, amplifications, and other extensions, always and whenever those continue to be valid. Take into account that you need to present notice to the customs authorities with 15 days following the authorization of an extension, amplification, other extension, or change of immigration status, otherwise the effect will be that your permit will no longer be valid."

In addition, in #2 the regulation also reads that if you pay with a credit card or with cash, "Si no retornas tu vehículo antes del vencimiento del permiso, esta garantía se hará efectiva, aún y cuando el pago lo hayas efectuado con tarjeta de crédito." What that means is that if you fail to remove your vehicle from Mexico when and if your temporary vehicle permit expires, you will be charged (according to the table in #2) the fee, even if you have paid with a credit card.

This is no different from the regulation as it has been written for at least 12 years.

If I understand the 'new' regulations correctly, the only things that have changed are (one) the actual amount of the fees (including the fee for the temporary import sticker itself) when and if they are charged and (two) the 15-day period during which you have to report extensions and/or changes of immigration status to the aduana.

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stevebrtx

Jun 5, 2011, 8:32 AM

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Ok, but what is an "extension" of a visa? I get "change" but "extension".
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Kimpatsu Hekigan

Jun 5, 2011, 8:47 AM

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Please note that this is old information. The URL you cite is from 2008.

Nothing has changed.

-- K.H.

Before enlightenment: Chop wood, haul water.
After enlightenment: Chop wood, haul water.

chinagringo

Jun 5, 2011, 8:59 AM

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That is strange since at the bottom of the page it says:
"Modified:
31/mayo/2011, 13:02, current information"
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Moisheh

Jun 5, 2011, 9:03 AM

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kimpatso: As i stated in another forum you are incorrect. Read the bottom of the link. It is dated May 31, 2011 and shows as a modified reg.!. Why do you insist it is from 2008? Many of the migra and aduana online regs often have an old date in the URL. Sometimes 3 years old but the actual reg will have a newer date in the document. Read first. Post second!

My interpretation of the Spanish ( subject to errors) and the intent of the regulation is that not only must you pay fee as always you now must LEAVE a deposit of up to $400. Either by cash or credit card. That was never in the old regs. Although many people thought they could charge you on your credit card under the old regs that is not true. There was a fine but if you were not in Mexico they had no way of obtaining the funds. Under the new regs you pay the $200 to $400 up front. When you return the permit you get the money back. That is nothing like the old regs. I will have further info this week. Tourism officials must be upset.

Bennie García

Jun 5, 2011, 9:18 AM

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All it says is modified. Doesn't say what, if any changes were made to the law. For all you know, it could simply be the text format.

The regs as written are ridiculous. How can they make a charge against a credit card months after it was given as a guarantee? MC and Visa will laugh in their face. Plus, what keeps someone from simply canceling the card used as soon as you enter the country?

chinagringo

Jun 5, 2011, 9:46 AM

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And then there is the implementation factor which most of us accept will be different from office to office and Aduana official to official and then you have the online permit process and the Mexican Consulate interpretations. Enough variables in there for people to have varying experiences?
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Moisheh

Jun 5, 2011, 3:17 PM

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Benniee You are misunderstanding. There is no future charge to your credit card. You have to pay the up to $400 charge at the same time as your permit fees. You can pay by cash or CC. It is charged to your CC and if you return the permit you get the money back if cash or credited to your CC. Think of it as a deposit!

Moisheh

Jun 5, 2011, 5:02 PM

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Esperanza: This is the paragraph that says it all:
En todos los casos y con independencia de tu forma de pago (efectivo o tarjeta de crédito), deberás otorgar una garantía por el pago de los créditos fiscales que pudieran ocasionarse por la omisión del retorno del vehículo o por la comisión de las infracciones previstas en las leyes aplicables, mediante un depósito que varía de acuerdo al año modelo del vehículo, conforme a la siguiente tabla:

This has nothing to do with permit cost. It is a deposit against any charges that may occur if you don't return the permit before expiry. Although there have always been fines for returning a permit late I have never seen them spelt out. They used to be so much per day. Never a flat amount. And I have never been required to leave a deposit There is some wording on the car permits where you promise to return the papers. Also that bit about stolen cars, etc. is new. I had heard that they now have access to the USA stolen vehicle database.

RickS

Jun 5, 2011, 5:13 PM

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Me thinks what we need is for someone to actually cross the border and need/get a temporary import sticker. Did they charge the $400 to the credit card (or ask for cash) or not?

If I wasn't busy doing my nails I would drive down and test the system. ;>)

cookj5

Jun 5, 2011, 6:05 PM

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Ok, but what is an "extension" of a visa? I get "change" but "extension".

Further, how do you report, and to whom? Is there a process or a form anyone knows about? My current FM3 is good until October 19, 2011. So, I have 15 days after that to do exactly what?

(This post was edited by cookj5 on Jun 5, 2011, 6:42 PM)

Rolly

Jun 5, 2011, 8:03 PM

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Reporting the renewal or change in your visa status was discussed at great length beginning here.
It is unclear to me how this new rule muddies the water.

Rolly Pirate

Ric Hoffman

Jun 6, 2011, 3:24 PM

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The changes listed at http://www.aduanas.gob.mx/...culos/141_20885.html are merely "house keeping issues" and are not a result of any changes in the published Ley de Aduanera or Reglamentos.

They do change the automatic collection of posted bonds for the return of imported vehicles from only if posted with "cash" to now include "credit or debit cards". So if you see activity on your card used to purchase a vehicle sticker and have not forwarded a "formato aviso de prórroga, ampliación o refrendo" they may have collected your bond or deposit.

(This post was edited by Ric Hoffman on Jun 6, 2011, 3:55 PM)

Moisheh

Jun 6, 2011, 5:55 PM

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You can call it housekeeping issue if that makes you happy but it clearly is not. My contact in Hemosillo, a person who not only owned one of the largest RV parks in Sonora but has worked as a consultant for Sonora Tourism, was on the phone with Aduana today. They will collect a deposit from each vehicle that enters. As well you will require a permit as before. This is not an either/or choice. So if you have a 2008 vehicle you will pay the $40.00 or so fee for the sticker AND you will also leave either a cash or CC deposit as a guarantee that the car will return NOB. I would not call that housekeeping. There will be further information this week. THere are some other changes that affect RV'rs in the no hassle Zone in Sonora. Of course it is also possible the whole idea will fall apart before the 11th as this process will serve to kill what is left of vehicle tourism in Mexico.

tashby

Jun 6, 2011, 6:08 PM

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So if you have a 2008 vehicle you will pay the $40.00 or so fee for the sticker AND you will also leave either a cash or CC deposit as a guarantee that the car will return NOB.

And. How. Does. That. Sound. Unreasonable. To You?

stevebrtx

Jun 6, 2011, 6:22 PM

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I can't imagine how boring life in MX for old gringos must have been before forums. So, how about this as a plan, we simply wait until June 12 and ask someone that comes across. Then we ask several that come across at different entry points because you know it won't be the same. Then we all have a nice tall drink down at the Hole In One and laugh about the whole thing. Getting our blood pressure up about something that hasn't happened yet is a fool's errand.
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Moisheh

Jun 6, 2011, 6:26 PM

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If you have a 2008 or newer motorhome and 2008 or newer car in tow that would be a $800 deposit. If you have a 2008 tow vehicle and a 2008 trailer that would also be $800. How many people are willing to do this? I have been coming to Mexico for more than 20 years and likley would pay the fee. However others would not be so trusting and for newbies it would be a huge obstacle. RV tourism in Mexico was horrible this past season. Logic would dictate that the Gov. do more to increase not decrease tourism. So yes I do feel it is unreasonable. RV'rs are not the person smuggling vehicles into the country. It is mostly Mexican citizens.

tashby

Jun 6, 2011, 6:42 PM

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I don't know. Does the RV crowd really contribute a lot to the tourism economy of Mexico? Or do they just tear up the roads, park on the beach, cook in their little kitchens, and then flush....or whatever?

I'm not familiar.

Maybe Mexico is trying to discourage RVers?

chinagringo

Jun 6, 2011, 6:44 PM

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What difference does making any increased deposit make if you are going to comply with whatever regulations that Mexico decides to impose? The way I figure it, if you comply with their rules and regulations, then you will get any deposit refunded. So what if someone driving a $500K+ motorhome and towing a vehicle has to make a deposit? Remember, many of these same people take advantage for parking overnight in a WalMart parking lot to save the fees of a pay to park overnight RV campground. Sorry but I see no sense in playing their game!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

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