This current change brought up-to-date the portion of the administrative manual to reflect current years and cost for the permit. The limit amounts have not changed as far as I can verify.
I am still waiting to hear from any impounded car owner from the previous postings for failing to notify Aduana about your new INM status. Not "I have a friend" or "I know someone who knows someone".
(This post was edited by Ric Hoffman on Jun 6, 2011, 7:01 PM)
Ric: Were you a politician in your previous life? You seem to skirt around the main issue. Forget your military logic. There has never been an instance where you had to leave a deposit AND have a permit. I have been crossing that border for more than 20 years. You present all the paperwork and your credit card. The card is charged the permit amount ( about $40.00). NO DEPOSIT OR GUARANTEE is required If you do not have a credit card a cash bond is required.. There is no mention of a deposit on the papers. IS THAT CLEAR. That is first hand experience and not from my contact!! You do sign a paper where you promise to return the papers and export the car! Apparently that HAS changed and I posted those changes in a previous post. You obviously have not had much experience with Aduana or the Hacienda. They are all powerful and have been known to make the rules on the fly. You have no recourse! I will not post on this subject again until I have more information. Housekeeping!!!! Indeed!!!
Marvin, I have never been involved with politics, but I do enjoy a good discussion from time to time. This apparently is one of those times.
I do not have the credit card receipts from the transaction when I received my “permiso de importación temporal de vehículos” but on its face just below the VIN is the entry “forma de garantía” in which “TDC” was typed. It is safe to believe that means “tarjeta de debito o crédito”. It may have been recorded or implied on the actual receipt or application for the permit that an amount would be charged if you failed to return the vehicle as promised.
While I claim no real expertise with Mexican law or regulations or match your practical experience over a 20 plus year period, I have completed my “Inscripción al Registro Federal de Contribuyentes” and have a RFC account established. I have applied for and completed the importation of my car in 2008. The pedimento amount paid was N$4549 for 1999 vehicle. I did this as soon as I could after applying for and being granted Inmigrante mid way through my first No Inmigrante visa.
(This post was edited by Ric Hoffman on Jun 7, 2011, 6:16 AM)
Now to our experience, (1991-92) the first time going to mainland Mexico (Baja was closed because of washed out roads) entry was only for allowed (sign on window of army bank) for tourists with a credit card.
We never took CCs at that time, but we had Debit cards, and they allowed them.
You guys are talking past each other. There is no dispute that Aduana requires a bond/guarantee for return of vehicle. And there seems to be no dispute that the practice has been to allow use of a credit card in lieu of cash. I can affirm from my experiences that the card is not actually charged this bond. I have not heard anyone say their card was charged this bond, even if they did not cancel the permit in time.
The issue here is the new verbage seems to say that the card will now be charged at time of issuing the permit. You can call that housekeeping since it is consistent with the existing law, but it's a significant practical change in how it has been implemented. It may not affect the decision of someone moving to Mexico but I think it will cause all but the diehards to reconsider visiting Mexico by car. As it stands, they are already reconsidering driving to Mexico due to the cartel violence. The last thing Mexico needs at this time is another disincentive to visiting. Unless of course, Mexico really doesn't want visitors by car for some reason.
My previous post above: "They do change the automatic collection of posted bonds for the return of imported vehicles from only if posted with "cash" to now include "credit or debit cards". So if you see activity on your card used to purchase a vehicle sticker and have not forwarded a "formato aviso de prórroga, ampliación o refrendo" they may have collected your bond or deposit."
Chapter 17 in the administration manual excluded collection of bonds posted via debit or credit cards. This appears to have been changed and as I said I do not have the actual transaction receipts to verify if a promissory note was previously included with the permit application or not. Now it appears that this has been specifically addressed and may be the case. It's sort of like a hold placed on your account to cover projected expenses for a hotel or hospital stay for example. The transaction is not completed until you check out or in this case return you permit and vehicle.
Ouch! This house cleaning sure is expensive! I am glad I imported my Tracer a couple of years ago and avoided this mess.
This link was previously posted, see Rolly's post and for a more complete explanation concerning your temporary vehicle permit see my post . It is more important now that you file the form to notify Aduana of your change in INM status. It can be found at anexo 2 of the manual "Aviso de Prorroga, Ampliacion o Refrendo"; if you have a import sticker issued after June 11, 2011, where you posted a bond with your credit or debit card. You can use Rolly's link or the tinyurl provided below or download it in pdf format from MoreliaConnect@yahoo.groups. Non members may contact me for a copy.
Or visit the official Aduana web site: Manual de Operación para la Importación Temporal de Vehículos y Motocicletas Abril 2010 http://tinyurl.com/manual-24032011
Ouch! This house cleaning sure is expensive! I am glad I imported my Tracer a couple of years ago and avoided this mess. Ah, but have we actually "avoided" this mess? It's a bit hard to imagine they are willing to allow the 50-100,000 vehicles currently in MX to NOT contribute to this little revenue generator. Just imagine an average $300 for that many vehicles when it comes time for new visas etc. I'd bet all the cards aren't on the table yet. http://www.chapalaweather.net
The Ministry of Finance and Public Credit (SHCP) has issued a decree which states that beginning on June 11th, 2011 anyone applying for a temporary import permit for vehicles must make a deposit in the amount determined by the following table:
Vehicle Year Model Amount to be paid in Mexican Pesos based on applicable exchange rate 2007 and later USD$ 400 2001 until 2006 USD$ 300 2000 and earlier USD$ 200 This deposit is compulsory and can be paid by credit card, debit card, or cash (in US Dollars only).
Users must keep in mind that if the deposit is charged to a credit card, the charge will be made in Mexican Pesos and will be calculated based on the exchange rate of the day on which the payment is made. This deposit will be refunded to the same credit card on the next banking business day after the vehicle is fully returned and based on the exchange rate of that day.
The vehicle must be returned on time and within the time period stated on the temporary import permit. If the vehicle is returned after the stated time period, the entire deposit amount will be transferred to the Office of the Treasury on the day following the expected return date, as allowed by current law.
"The vehicle must be returned on time and within the time period stated on the temporary import permit."
So, does this mean that one must return to the border prior to the end of a 180 day permit or has someone found a provision that would allow for permits with a longer time allowed? Regards, Neil Albuquerque, NM
"The vehicle must be returned on time and within the time period stated on the temporary import permit. If the vehicle is returned after the stated time period, the entire deposit amount will be transferred to the Office of the Treasury on the day following the expected return date, as allowed by current law."
This doesn't bode well for the deposits of those of you that keep your permits longer than six months and rely on your FM2/FM3 to keep them valid. I'll bet this is going to be an automated process where the computers check the permit database each day and for any that are past their six month expiration date the deposits are seized.
But it will probably reduce the number of visitors who drive home and don't bother returning the permit.
Gosh, I love living in MX? Ok, so what about us already here? And, I come in and give them XXX on my CC and later the CC is stolen, number changed, refund????? Or, is there a window at the border handing out $$$$? All questions unanswered and most of all what about those of us already here?
Some days Belize looks good, they gouge and rip, but they seem to have definite rules and enforcement. http://www.chapalaweather.net
"The vehicle must be returned on time and within the time period stated on the temporary import permit."
If you present an FMM, you'll get 180 days. If you present an FM2 or FM3 you'll get a year or until the renewal date. The difference being the agents interpretation of the rule. This is the way it works now and will continue under the new rules. At the time of renewal or upgrade of the FM3/2, one will be required to notify Aduana within 15 days so the bond will be preserved.
For those of us already here, nothing changes because they don't have a bond from us.
When returning a permit, a cash bond is returned in cash.
------------------- Edited to remove a statement about credit cards that I am no longer sure about.
Rolly
(This post was edited by Rolly on Jun 18, 2011, 11:14 AM)
Not to question your wisdom Rolly, but in the case of a CC I don't believe it does answer. They will hopefully have your original CC # on file (a bit scary in itself), but if it's no longer valid they can't credit to that card. And when you explain to them it was stolen etc. so just credit to this new number, you can imagine the look on their faces. Now, maybe at that point they will be generous and understanding (?) and offer to pay in cash - or not. I think there is a lot more to be learned in these new regs. http://www.chapalaweather.net
A question arose about a fellow who got his permit online and was not asked for a bond deposit. He got his permit before the new rules went in effect and crossed he border after the new rules were in place. Now those applying on line or at a consulate will have to post the bond.
Details are at this Banjercito webpage in English with more on the rules. Some of this is boring boilerplate, but there is a section near the end which details the bond thing. It's under the heading THIRD: PAYMENT
You said, "A credit/debit card bond is credited to whatever card you present at that time. This answers the lost/stolen/canceled question."
When I look at the Banjercito webpage you gave above, I see it saying in 4.4, "...the "Importer" agrees "Banjercito" to proceed reversing the deposit fee on the next banking business day after a final vehicle return is made. Such reverse deposit fee will be made over the Original's Credit Card holder name......"
Is that what you are interpreting to suggest that the deposit will be returned to 'whatever card you present at that time'?
I have removed my statement about how canceled cards are credited because I am not sure that I got good advice on that item. At this time I do not know how one deals with a canceled card.
Credit or debit cards are charged back to the issuing authority who forwards the credit to correct account holder. This has happened to me several times dealing with Mexican and USA financial institutions, even if the card was reported as missing and was replaced with a different numbered card.
(This post was edited by Ric Hoffman on Jun 18, 2011, 2:00 PM)
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