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babycakes

May 17, 2011, 4:44 AM

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I was just wondering if any of you are raising your family in Mexico? My husband (Mexican) and I (U.S) are considering moving back to Mexico at the end of this summer. I have lived there before (in DF) so I know a little bit about what to expect. We have a two year old, and I am just trying to weigh in the pros and cons of raising a family in Mexico. Any tips or advice is appreciated!



robt65

May 17, 2011, 6:25 AM

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hi babycakes,

Good morning. That's a pretty big question to answer. Everyone has their own style of life and I would think it would depend greatly on what you are referring to a little more specifically. I am a Gringo married to a wonderful Mexicana, much younger than I. We have an older (adopted 8 year old daughter. We were also very much surprised last year with a wonderful (now 14 month old) daughter. At 68 years old (previously both my wife ad I were childless) this has really been an experience. A very happy and life changing experience but none the less an education for this fellow. I think in reality there are many things the same yet different. I can only speak to the states of Tamaulipas and Queretaro, including the cities of Tampico, Madero, Altamira, Queretaro, San Juan del Rio.

As in the USA or Canada, education here can be good or bad. While there are some good government schools, most are ill funded and the depth of the education is limited, at least in Queretaro and Tamaulipas, the two states I can speak to. Private schools (not necessarily American schools) can also be good or not so good. The costs are a little bit of a monthly budget but can be well worth it.

The costs involved generally in México when it comes to supplies and needs for a younger child can be rather expensive (more so than NOB in many cases. Both the quality and variety of goods such as diapers can be much more (as much a 60% more) expensive than in the USA. The variety of baby foods is for sure limited. The availability of some children’s items that you may want to find here, is either a lot more expensive, or is not available in quality or for that matter at all. Clothing for babies is very limited as to choice of colors and designs. On the other hand there are some (few) really cute clothing items available at (of all places) Commercial Mexicana, Soriana and Sam’s Clubs at a very reasonable price. Once every three or four months (we now live about 650 miles south of McAllen Texas in the Mexican highlands (mountains) at about 6500 foot above sea level; I usually make a trip NOB or my VA medical care. On these trips, I always make a run to Sam’s Club, Wal Mart, H.E.B. Stores, and a few other shops that I like and stock up on four months supplies that we enjoy. Diapers are always on the list as they are much less cost NOB, as is Old Navy, for my wife’s clothing.

Mail service here is terrible for the most part. Fed Ex, UPS and other such private carriers are pretty good although a little more expensive, but are surely a lot more dependable.

Doctors and Health care can vary the same as in the USA. Both in Tampico and in San Juan del Rio, we were lucky enough to find very good pediatricians and obstetricians. We have also had a couple that we were not at all content with for the care of our children. The same goes for dentists. Methods of health care her can vary a lot. Most times we had labs done by a place similar to a private lab in the USA as the doctors’ offices we found here did not do “labs” so you had to find your own lab. It is less expensive here for good medical care for children by about 30% to over 50%. When you are lucky enough to find the doctor you like, he / she is usually excellent and very patient orientated rather than so much dollar driven.

I remember being quite stunned when we went for a nine o’clock appointment to find only ourselves waiting in the office and not ten others for the same 9 o'clock appointment. When the doctor came out (usually on time, by the way), he / she actually knew your name and what you were there for. He / she wasn't asking you "well what can we do for you today?" He / she knew full well what you were there for, that day.

I also vividly remember the doctor walking the precious patient outside and he opened the door to a taxi the nurse had called for the previous patient. The doctor himself actually escorted his previous patient to the taxi and left us waiting. A wait I might add, that I was happy to endure for a few minutes. I must say I was impressed.

The hospital my wife delivered our baby at was a normal general hospital and was absolutely excellent and much better suited for having a baby than any I have ever seen in the USA. It was very clean, the staff was very attentive and the costs were well . . . . . . . . and I mean well below the exorbitant prices NOB.

For Example, our costs including all doctors necessary, from the obstetrician to the anesthetist to the pediatrician, including the hospital stay of five days (including three days of incubator) was a little over $3200.00 USD. My friend back in Kentucky, has a daughter who within a month, had the same care and amount of days including the same number of days in an incubator, and even though she had good health insurance through her employer (she got to see the total bill) the costs were over $27,000 USD. Quite a difference. Today, their baby is no more or less healthy than ours.

The cost of electricity here in Mexico is quite a bit higher than in the USA, especially if you are used to having some of the luxuries that we enjoy such as Air Conditioning, unlimited use of the computer internet, and other such things. It can add up quite quickly.

The quality of life (for me, as my wife has been used to it) has really been much better. The Mexican culture, history, and general day to day living for us (especially me, again) is far better. One does have to really come prepared to actually learn and adapt to a whole new way of life. The Mexican people in general, I have found to be very accepting and wonderful people to have as neighbors and friends. Most all who we have met, have been so openly warm and honest. You will have to learn to accept one trait that I found a little hard to adapt to. For most things in life . . . . throw away your watch and clock! Schedules for many things in life just don't exist. Mañana at nine in the morning . . . . . . can mean anywhere from tomorrow at ten or eleven, until next month at ten or eleven . . . . . . . and the only thing for sure in Mexico is that nothing is really for sure.

I hope this has provided a little insight into just a few things that may be new to you as they were to me. All I all, I wouldn’t trade my life today for what I left behind, for all the tea in China . . . . . . or chile in Mexico, as the case may be. I am a very happy man today.

robt65


babycakes

May 17, 2011, 2:56 PM

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Thanks for your response! And congratulations for the new addition to your family!
I have experienced a lot of what you have mentioned because I was pregnant and gave birth to our son in Mexico and we spent the first year of his life in Mexico. Cute, in style baby clothes were definately hard to come by, especially for a modest price as well as many baby essentials (though I found them not too essential after all- like cribs and Dr. Brown baby bottles ((co-slept & breastfed))).
I also greatly appreciated the affordability of quality healthcare... I am convinced I had the best OBGYN in all of Mexico City. Though I recognize that a lot of not so good docs do definately exist out there.

To give more background and hone in on exactly what I am looking for.. and you mentioned it.. is quality of life.

Since I have been back in the States I have experienced a lot of reverse culture shock. And it has left me wondering... where is the quality life better?

Education: I am a teacher at a public high school here and I see a lack of rigor in the classes and the curriculum being dumbed down or going too slow due to just a handful of kids that don't want to be there... and I think about the kind of environment I want my child to be in.

Family Values: It is kind of a politically charged term, and I am actually pretty liberal. But even in my own family-- they don't seem to like to get together. It always seems like an obligation. My dad for example only seems to like him until he becomes an inconvenience. In Mexico, I never had this problem. Even strangers on the subway seem more delighted to see my child than my own family.

Cost of Living: It seems less in Mexico... I appreciate the affordable diet of fresh fruit and vegetables and the economic kitchens of home cooked "comida corrida". Transportation is great- I can get anywhere anytime without the use of a car. The only expensive things is when it comes to trends or technology. Western, fashionable, good quality professional women's clothing or shoes, and smart phones with internet access respectively. Those things are quite a bit more affordable in the U.S. But if I have to choose between the two- I'd go with the groceries. The upshot to having an expensive smartphone plan is that you will be more likely to spend quality time with family- unlike what I sometimes see here with parents glued to their iphones.
However, that is not always the case. I think we pay double to Time Warner Cable for two thirds of the service we got in Mexico.

Safety
School shootings/drive bys or kidnappings? I am not sure which one to take my chances on really. I am very concerned about the drug trafficking problem that seems to be getting worse. Though my husband is Mexican and I have black/dark brown hair with olive toned skin our son was born a blondish brown with hazel eyes. So he blows my cover and I am concerned that he could be a target?

Career Opportunties
I think this is definately where Mexico just completely fails. Part of the reason we are in the states is because my husband knows that if he can only learn English he would be making 5 times his salary than in Mexico. Unfortunately, it has been slow going. I am an English teacher with only a little experience and know that I would really be making peanuts until I can gain more experience and connections. But even so, the pay isn't that great- nothing new to anybody here! And while we really don't need much- it really takes a lot more hard work and more time to save and not nearly as easy to just plan a vacation to wherever at the drop of a hat.
I also think about changing careers and it doesn't seem quite as easy to do in Mexico as in the U.S. But maybe that is just because I don't understand how the system works.

Quality of Life
I really do agree with you robt65 seems to be much better. Slower pace. Focus on the family. Better Food (I have gained 15 pounds since being back in the US). Better Parties. More Freedom. People seem happier in general. There isn't a sense of entitlement that I see in the U.S.

I am curious to hear from more people who have chosen to raise their family in Mexico!!!


mazbook1


May 17, 2011, 2:57 PM

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Buy and read Joanna van der Gracht de Rosales' book, Magic Made in Mexico: Live Your Dream…in Mexico. Joanna is Canadian and married to a Mexican and she did just what you're talking about…for the last 35 years. Her story and her advice is the best there is. There is nothing like this book anywhere. It's unique and timeless.


babycakes

May 17, 2011, 3:09 PM

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Awesome thanks!!! I just checked my public library and they don't have the book :(. But I found out she has a blog! Perhaps I will order the book sometime down the line.

http://joannavandergrachtderosado.wordpress.com/


mazbook1


May 17, 2011, 3:20 PM

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Sorry I goofed on the author's last name, but glad you found her blog. The book is quite different than her blog, since it tells her whole story.


Bennie García

May 17, 2011, 4:41 PM

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I have three children, all born and raised here in Mexico. They are all now adults, the youngest about half way thru college. They all hold dual citizenship (Mexico and USA) and can live and work in either country freely.

They went to public school for their first 9 years, elementary and jr. high and then went to private high school and universities. I insisted on public school for their basic education to help them stay grounded and maintain a degree of humbleness quite often lacking in the middle class "juniors" that attend the private colegios. I think this was an important lesson that has helped them keep perspective in a society that places far too much value on economic status.

They then went on to private school where they made the social contacts amongst their "connected" peers that are also very important for their futures. The old saying "its not what you know, but who you know" holds a lot of truth here.

Personally, I am glad that I raised my children here. I had no worries about school shootings and IMO less worries about drug abuse. Things have started to change now with the escalation of the narco violence. To be honest I am not sure I would have made the same choice now that I made 30+ years ago. But then again, I look at all of the senseless violence in the US and I'm still not so sure that raising a family there is a better alternative.


babycakes

May 17, 2011, 5:25 PM

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"To be honest I am not sure I would have made the same choice now that I made 30+ years ago. But then again, I look at all of the senseless violence in the US and I'm still not so sure that raising a family there is a better alternative. "

Yes, that is what I am having to grapple with now. Yet, if you think about it.. perhaps Mex has gone downhill in the past 30 + years but the US has gone downhill too. If you compare modern MX to the US 30 years ago that would be apples to oranges. But comparing modern Mex to modern US You might just find yourself making the same decision or moving somewhere else entirely!


Maesonna

May 18, 2011, 9:42 AM

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We are a Canadian (me) and Mexican (him) couple who moved to Mexico (DF) when our kids were 5, 8 and 10 years old. This was 14 years ago. The little one did public kindergarten, which was a great experience for both of us. They did primary in a private school (one of the type of little neighbourhood schools that seem to be on every second street corner), and switched to public for secundaria. Then they did prepa and university at the UNAM. I agree with Bennie that some public school experience is a good basis for shaping a well-rounded citizen.

Altogether, I think that you gain some things and lose some things raising your family in Mexico. Growing up close to their Mexican relatives is, of course, a big plus. Also, they will have a healthier (in my opinion) concept of what it means to be Mexican than if they were in the US. On the (possibly) minus side, the options for extra-curricular activities (cultural pursuits, clubs, and any sports except soccer) are more limited and you have to work harder to find them. As far as their education is concerned, I think that the most important thing someone in our position can do is to read to them. Read, read, read (in English whenever possible). Do all you can to create a reader who will joyfully and eagerly read on his or her own as soon as they are capable. Children and young people who read voraciously end up learning much more from their reading than from school.


Rolly


May 18, 2011, 11:02 AM

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Children and young people who read voraciously end up learning much more from their reading than from school.
I certainly agree with that. I believe that if one can read and follow instructions, one can do anything that doesn't require a physical skill.
The only things I learned in college that are still useful to me today are how to write and how to do research in a library (internet today).

Rolly Pirate


mcm

May 18, 2011, 4:13 PM

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Babycakes --
It seems to me that many of the things you're considering will vary a lot, depending on WHERE you plan to move. A big city? A small town? A place where your husband has family? Expenses, educational opportunities (choice of schools, either public or private), security issues (school violence, etc.) are all things that may be VERY different in different communities.
Lots of concerns regarding education seem to be fairly similar to the US -- ''bullying'' has become a hot topic (apparently it is quite prevalent in schools here), access to libraries or books in general, etc.

For a perspective on small town life, very close to family, read Leslie Limon's blog: http://www.motherhoodinmexico.com/ -- it's a very entertaining, and thorough, look at some of the issues one US-born mother has experienced after relocating to her husband's hometown.


(This post was edited by Rolly on May 18, 2011, 4:41 PM)


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May 18, 2011, 8:14 PM

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This is really a very personal decision. So why exactly are you considering moving to Mexico? Is it because your husband can't learn English? What does your husband do for a living? If you're a teacher and considering a career change, exactly what would that change be? That seems very difficult in Mexico, as you've said.
apáñatelas como puedas


alex .

May 18, 2011, 9:21 PM

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What I learned in college : Ya see, at the state fair there is this chicken that plays a toy piano. You drop a nickel into a box, a light comes on, and the chicken plays a tune. In psychology class we were taught about conditioned response. Turns out that the response is to the nickel dropping into the box, not the light. So if you just thump the box then the chicken will play the piano in the dark. So college saved me a nickel at the fair, yeah.


rayitodeluna

May 22, 2011, 9:05 AM

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hi babycakes,

Good morning. That's a pretty big question to answer. Everyone has their own style of life and I would think it would depend greatly on what you are referring to a little more specifically. I am a Gringo married to a wonderful Mexicana, much younger than I. We have an older (adopted 8 year old daughter. We were also very much surprised last year with a wonderful (now 14 month old) daughter. At 68 years old (previously both my wife ad I were childless) this has really been an experience. A very happy and life changing experience but none the less an education for this fellow. I think in reality there are many things the same yet different. I can only speak to the states of Tamaulipas and Queretaro, including the cities of Tampico, Madero, Altamira, Queretaro, San Juan del Rio.

As in the USA or Canada, education here can be good or bad. While there are some good government schools, most are ill funded and the depth of the education is limited, at least in Queretaro and Tamaulipas, the two states I can speak to. Private schools (not necessarily American schools) can also be good or not so good. The costs are a little bit of a monthly budget but can be well worth it.

The costs involved generally in México when it comes to supplies and needs for a younger child can be rather expensive (more so than NOB in many cases. Both the quality and variety of goods such as diapers can be much more (as much a 60% more) expensive than in the USA. The variety of baby foods is for sure limited. The availability of some children’s items that you may want to find here, is either a lot more expensive, or is not available in quality or for that matter at all. Clothing for babies is very limited as to choice of colors and designs. On the other hand there are some (few) really cute clothing items available at (of all places) Commercial Mexicana, Soriana and Sam’s Clubs at a very reasonable price. Once every three or four months (we now live about 650 miles south of McAllen Texas in the Mexican highlands (mountains) at about 6500 foot above sea level; I usually make a trip NOB or my VA medical care. On these trips, I always make a run to Sam’s Club, Wal Mart, H.E.B. Stores, and a few other shops that I like and stock up on four months supplies that we enjoy. Diapers are always on the list as they are much less cost NOB, as is Old Navy, for my wife’s clothing.

Mail service here is terrible for the most part. Fed Ex, UPS and other such private carriers are pretty good although a little more expensive, but are surely a lot more dependable.

Doctors and Health care can vary the same as in the USA. Both in Tampico and in San Juan del Rio, we were lucky enough to find very good pediatricians and obstetricians. We have also had a couple that we were not at all content with for the care of our children. The same goes for dentists. Methods of health care her can vary a lot. Most times we had labs done by a place similar to a private lab in the USA as the doctors’ offices we found here did not do “labs” so you had to find your own lab. It is less expensive here for good medical care for children by about 30% to over 50%. When you are lucky enough to find the doctor you like, he / she is usually excellent and very patient orientated rather than so much dollar driven.

I remember being quite stunned when we went for a nine o’clock appointment to find only ourselves waiting in the office and not ten others for the same 9 o'clock appointment. When the doctor came out (usually on time, by the way), he / she actually knew your name and what you were there for. He / she wasn't asking you "well what can we do for you today?" He / she knew full well what you were there for, that day.

I also vividly remember the doctor walking the precious patient outside and he opened the door to a taxi the nurse had called for the previous patient. The doctor himself actually escorted his previous patient to the taxi and left us waiting. A wait I might add, that I was happy to endure for a few minutes. I must say I was impressed.

The hospital my wife delivered our baby at was a normal general hospital and was absolutely excellent and much better suited for having a baby than any I have ever seen in the USA. It was very clean, the staff was very attentive and the costs were well . . . . . . . . and I mean well below the exorbitant prices NOB.

For Example, our costs including all doctors necessary, from the obstetrician to the anesthetist to the pediatrician, including the hospital stay of five days (including three days of incubator) was a little over $3200.00 USD. My friend back in Kentucky, has a daughter who within a month, had the same care and amount of days including the same number of days in an incubator, and even though she had good health insurance through her employer (she got to see the total bill) the costs were over $27,000 USD. Quite a difference. Today, their baby is no more or less healthy than ours.

The cost of electricity here in Mexico is quite a bit higher than in the USA, especially if you are used to having some of the luxuries that we enjoy such as Air Conditioning, unlimited use of the computer internet, and other such things. It can add up quite quickly.

The quality of life (for me, as my wife has been used to it) has really been much better. The Mexican culture, history, and general day to day living for us (especially me, again) is far better. One does have to really come prepared to actually learn and adapt to a whole new way of life. The Mexican people in general, I have found to be very accepting and wonderful people to have as neighbors and friends. Most all who we have met, have been so openly warm and honest. You will have to learn to accept one trait that I found a little hard to adapt to. For most things in life . . . . throw away your watch and clock! Schedules for many things in life just don't exist. Mañana at nine in the morning . . . . . . can mean anywhere from tomorrow at ten or eleven, until next month at ten or eleven . . . . . . . and the only thing for sure in Mexico is that nothing is really for sure.

I hope this has provided a little insight into just a few things that may be new to you as they were to me. All I all, I wouldn’t trade my life today for what I left behind, for all the tea in China . . . . . . or chile in Mexico, as the case may be. I am a very happy man today.

robt65



This is so incredibly helpful! I'm a mother of two preparing to move to DF this year, and this info have really helped. Thankfully we use cloth diapers, breastfeed and I make some of the girls clothes, BUT I now know to stock up on some cute store bought clothes before the move. I , like your wife, also enjoy Old Navy ; )
Congrats on your new little one! What a great addition and great suprise for your family, how wonderful. Thanks for taking the time to respond thoughtfully to the OP's question, it has helped me too.

~~~~~~ Enjoying life in northern D.F. with our family of Americans and chilangos.
Family and expat blog here : http://threecurlygirlys.blogspot.mx/ ~~~~~~


robt65

May 22, 2011, 9:54 AM

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Hi rallitodeluna,

I'm glad my answer could help someone else. There are many "Neigh Sayers" NOB and here also. don't let them scare you away from your hopes and dreams. Many women from NOB have very successfully raised a family in Mexico, all different parts. You also might want to stock up on a good quality and hi UV protection against sun burn for the girls. My wife is a light skinned Mexicana, I am for most of my life a redhead with freckles. Our daughter has white skin and like me can get a sunburn in a "New York Minute". Our little "MexiGringa, has not been burned , but only one day this year. I would also seriously suggest this reading for mothers who have children who burn easily. http://www.epinions.com/content_1410637956 This really works and it removes the associated pain very fast. It IS OK for children.

Another tip that took my wife several months to talk me into is only buy 100% cotton or 95% cotton / 5% lycra (sp?) for comfortable wear down here. It really does make a difference in the hi heat of Mexico. Get rid of any polyester. Books n English for the children are also a great thing to bring. Difficult to find in my part of Mexico. If you are going to live in DF you probably will have greater access to those English language children’s books though.

It is also (last time I checked) less expensive to join Sam's club and Costco while you are in the USA. Your NOB cards can be used in Mexico without problems.

We are located only 2.5 hours away from DF in San Juan del Rio, Queretaro area. If you haven't learned to cook with gas, (if you have electric stove now) try to learn before you leave. There really is a difference. Much less cooking times. You will undoubtedly will save a few meals. (smiling)

Enjoy your trip here and welcome; I think you will like it. Are you moving right into Mexico City itself or a city nearby Mexico City?

Have a good day.

robt65


La Guedita


May 24, 2011, 4:06 AM

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If I could move back to Mexico with my kiddos, I would in a heartbeat. The time I spent there (in Michoacan, 15 minutes from the playa) was wonderful. It was much simpler, much more relaxed, and much more friendly. I got used to not having cable TV, or internet access at home, and even a dryer. It made me realize that there are more important things, like cooking a meal together, or going for walks and (gasp) talking to people on the street. Most people in our little town knew us (they referred to me as La Guedita de los Barraganes) and sort of looked out for us. My daughter was exposed to her dad's culture and language in a way that no school or book or TV show can duplicate.
Living in Nogales, Sonora was a bit different. It was more "American", with big box stores (we had a WalMart built while we were there), grocery stores, and fast food places (Burger King). But the overall feel of a close knit neighborhood was still there.
The only reason I'm here instead of there is the limited income possibilities. Like you mentioned, its much harder to take spontaneous vacations and such. I can't stand being that far from my mommy (yes, I said mommy) and my aging grandparents. It was killing me to not be able to jump on a plane once, let alone twice a year to fly home with the babies.
So here I am back in the States, dreaming of the warm water of the Pacific and the lazy evenings drinking agua fresca and watching the little lizards running up and down the walls. I tease my fiance all the time that if things don't work out, Im running away to Mexico. Maybe someday I'll convince him to move there with me.
All in all, asking if raising a family in Mexico is safer, better, easier, cheaper than in the US is kinda like asking whether its better to raise a family in Sacramento or Bozeman, New York or Witchita, Houston or Salt Lake. Just follow your heart. Good kids come from good families, be your kids' first teacher and a positive influence and it doesnt really matter where you raise them.
Good luck and have fun!
"Self-trust is the first secret to sucess" R. W. Emerson


stina

May 30, 2011, 5:12 PM

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Hi-

My husband and I moved to Guadalajara 4 years ago with our (then) 2 year old and 4 year old daughters. Four years later I can report that it was the best thing we could have done. We are originally from San Francisco, and miss things like Trader Joe's and amazing bookstores, however what we have gotten out of the experience has been amazing for both of us and our kids. As for safety issues- I think it depends a lot on where you live- both at the state, local and even neighborhood level. We have never had a problem where we live, and we do not live in fear.

Feel free to email or PM me if you want more specifics. (I don't have time to write more now!)

good luck with your decision,
Kristina


babycakes

Jun 2, 2011, 8:49 PM

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Thank you for input! I certainly am anxious to go back. My husband wants to give the U.S. another year to get better at his English and maybe find a good job in his field. I will definately contact you for more info/moral support when we get closer to really making the big decision :)
 
 
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