Dec 3, 2002, 2:21 AM
Post #24 of 25
Just because I bitch and whine online doesn't mean I hate the country.
Re: [Old Bart] in this backwards country?
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Don't worry, I am a perfectly nice person, enjoying myself in Mexico. But I don't have a wife or an "Expat Support Network" to go talk to. I haven't spoken English, in real life, in well over a week. Y hablo tantito español.
Like many other things, it's not because you are a foreigner, it is because you don't know how to do the things the way they are done in México.
I am basing my Telmex experiences on those of my Aunt. She is Mexican. When I say I got billed for 546 local calls in one month, it was really my aunt getting billed, for my usage. Shes the one dealing with Telmex. I think she knows what she's doing.
When I asked her, my mexican aunt, to disconnect the line, she did not do it right away. She kept paying it until she could sell it. She had a "se vende linea telefonica" sign in the window, at my ex-landlords store. To me, if you can transfer phone lines between people, without the other person having to pay the $4000 charge to buy it from Telmex, this is considered buying and selling the lines. And selling the rights to the "line" is definately not the same as selling them the rights to the cable between the pole and your house. You can transfer lines between people, it totally different cities. This, of course, is based on my Mexican aunts explanation to me, and what I saw her do first hand, with the line I had installed in my place under her name.
I realize the charge to disconnect is a deposit. But trust me, we got rid of that line as fast as possible, under the circumstances. After I got the Internet by cable installed, and had no use for Telmex, we cut it off ASAP. I swear, 546 billable local calls in one month. And my aunt did not lose the $4000 peso fee to install the line, because she sold it to someone else (well she lost a little, but not all of it).
One month local calling charge of $809 pesos to connect to Prodigy, and a bunch of local voice calls, in one month. Plus $200+ pesos monthly fee for the phone itself. Plus how much does the Prodigy service cost per month?
Internet by cable in Morelia costs $275/month for 64k service, $370 for 128k. Installation is $490. Higher speeds are available. Also, if you pay another $300 pesos for the installation, it is my understanding that you get cable tv too, for the same monthly fee. I don't have it because I don't have a TV set (I would never spend my own money on a tv or cable, though I admit sometimes I go to my aunts house to watch Clase 406). Now, is this guy better to install DSL for 3 months, or get cable??? Ok so you're not in Morelia, but this should help you realize that Telmex is still screwing you big time.
I obviously like Mexico, or I wouldn't have come back to live after my first trip here. But, no, I am not impressed with how much money I saw my family give to this company. You don't think its wrong that it costs rich Canadians 0.23 cents a minute to call Mexico, and Mexicans, 53 million of which earn a whopping $3usd or less a day, $1.67 to call Canada? 10.71 pesos / minute on my aunts residential line, 5.x on the commercial line. It costs a residential line twice as much to call as a business. You don't think this is backwards? I do. Yes the line in question with the 546 calls was commercial. Maybe that is the difference here? Yes my line was commercial, not residential. I was living in an apartment, what I called an apartment, that was above a store. But Telmex considered it a commercial line, because technically it was commercial office space. Yes thats my own problem, I know. The only difference in cost though is that you don't get the 100 free calls. Nothing else is different, or more expensive. In fact, as I pointed out, the long distance on the commercial line was half the price as the residential line. But maybe this explains why we could sell it.
Btw, that 0.23 cents is what it costs with Bell Canada, the incumbant in Ontario, on one of their plans. And no my family doesn't use Telmex for long distance anymore, just in the first couple of months after moving into their new house. I don't know how you can defend stuff like Telmex charging your card at a payphone, when you get a busy signal. Thats just wrong.
And finally. In the name of not letting you make me look like I have no idea what I'm talking about.......
You brought up my ex-girlfriend, a Mexican, so I will tell you about her. Her father bought the house next to theirs, to rent, and he had been waiting a long, long time to get a line installed in that house. So there is an example for you, and we're talking a lot more than two or three weeks. She was not impressed with how fast we got ours (1 1/2 - 2 months). Again, this is Morelia, Michoacan. I don't know about Ajijic, maybe they support the expat communities better.
As far as Usted. I use it if I have to. I don't live with my aunt & uncle who live here too. I live with two old Mexican señoras. And I usted them all the time. I asked my aunt if she thought it would be ok if I tuteared them, and she said no I probably shouldn't. So, there you go, guess what in real life I do respect the customs etc. But I still enjoy coming online to discuss it. These old ladies, a señora and her aunt, actually usted each other. So I follow along, with custom. But I still think its wierd. Not to mention it confuses the hell out of me when people usted me...
And who are Randy Arbon and Mabel?
Now, I have to set the record straight on a few of your baseless affirmations
And for the record, that is not the way to end an argument. You are only encouraging the person to keep aruging right back. You're trolling as much as anyone else is.