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johang


May 7, 2011, 6:40 AM

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Mexicans Happy – Despite Low Incomes

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Recent OECD data suggests Mexicans are pretty happy despite low incomes.
Last month the OECD – Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development updated its statistical data base. Mexicans working longer hours than others prompted some headlines and discussion in the media but there also emerged a number of other interesting statistics about Mexico.
The most interesting to me was the comparison of “happiness” to incomes in Mexico versus the US and Canada. Read more.



Johan....If we all do a little we can do a lot. Visit our little corner of paradise at the Jaltemba Jalapeño.



La Isla


May 7, 2011, 8:42 AM

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These kinds of surveys make me laugh. How on earth can you measure happiness and then compare the levels found with those from other countries? Another statisticians on Mexconnect who can explain this?


johang


May 7, 2011, 9:42 AM

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Thanks for asking La Isla. Fortunately the OECD is very thorough about defining the data they publish. Their definition for this particular metric reads as follows:

Definition and measurement
Data on positive and negative experiences are drawn from the Gallup World Poll. The Gallup World Poll is conducted in over 140 countries around the world based on a common questionnaire, translated into the predominant languages of each country. With few exceptions, all samples are probability based and nationally representative of the resident population aged 15 years and over in the entire country, including rural areas. While this ensures a high degree of comparability across countries, results may be affected by sampling and non-sampling error. Sample sizes vary between around 1 000 and 4 000, depending on the country. The "positive experience index" is a measure of respondents' experienced well-being on the day before the survey in terms of feeling well-rested, being treated with respect all day, smiling or laughing a lot, learning or doing something interesting, and experiencing enjoyment. The "negative experience index" is a measure of respondents' experienced well-being on the day before the survey in terms of physical pain, worry, sadness, stress and depression. Positive and negative experiences are likely to be less influenced by country-specific cultural factors than is life satisfaction. EQLS data comes from Anderson et al. (2009).


They also comment on the validity of the measure saying:


Two checks suggest the data is meaningful. Because the data asked people their previous day experiences, such aggregate data may simply provide fast changing perceptions experienced only on the day of the survey. Alternatively the sample sizes could be too small to provide any precision. There was a strong relationship between Positive Experiences and the 2007 European Quality of Life Survey positive mental health index. As these surveys were different samples, on different days, with different questions, the strong relationship at a country level provides reassurance of data validity. Countries where positive experiences were high one year also tended to be high in the next survey. Again, this strong relationship shows that the data are not just random sample error or fickle swings of day-to-day mood at a country level.
Those two comments are the most pertinent to your question but there is a bit more detail.

Johan....If we all do a little we can do a lot. Visit our little corner of paradise at the Jaltemba Jalapeño.


alex .

May 7, 2011, 11:20 AM

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Back in a college sociology class we were tasked to interview folks to determine happiness relative to disposable income. The result was that rich people were waaaay happier than poor people...it wasn't even close.
Alex


Gringal

May 7, 2011, 11:53 AM

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Or, to put it another way: Money won't buy happiness, but poverty does an even worse job of it.


jrpierce


May 7, 2011, 12:20 PM

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Nicely phrased, Gringal! While many studies have found that happiness is not directly correlated with wealth, it has to be hard for a starving person to feel happy!

Jim


chicois8

May 7, 2011, 12:48 PM

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Thanks a lot Johang, After reading your post I decided to put it to the test so I cut my housekeepers pay by 25%, she flipped me off, called me pen or ben something and stormed off.....again THANKS A LOT...


(This post was edited by chicois8 on May 7, 2011, 12:49 PM)


sparks


May 7, 2011, 4:43 PM

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With a small percentage of the western world owning it all and the middle class having a hell of a time .... I don't doubt there is unhappiness/envy in that world.

Back in the tech boom around 2000 we were all going to be millionaires and lately the housing market is about half what it was in 2006.

None of those dreams or aspirations exit for Mexicans unless is the drug trade or head for the US.

Of course they are happier .... they don't have the nonexistent opportunities the middle class of the Western world hasn't any longer. They work it out day to day

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La Isla


May 7, 2011, 5:28 PM

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Back in the tech boom around 2000 we were all going to be millionaires and lately the housing market is about half what it was in 2006.


I never bought into either of those dreams. Maybe that's why I'm (relatively) poor and content most of the time : ) .


Reefhound


May 8, 2011, 6:07 AM

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They can conduct large polls in many countries asking how they feel but do they adjust for different cultural values that may account for a different answer for the same thing. For example, two people may feel about the same but one person may come from a culture that teaches you to mask your feelings and another may come from a culture that encourages you to air out any little thing. We certainly see this on an individual basis. I know people who could be having chronic pain and they would say they feel fine or they could be in debt and about to lose their job and they would say they are doing ok. I know other people who could be the picture of health save for a little blister doing yard work and they will surely let you know all about. You have some people that just aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.


johang


May 9, 2011, 12:56 PM

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Yes Reefdog an interesting idea. I definitely agree on the folks who seem intent on having a bad day or a good day no matter what their actual circumstance but then that is what they are trying to measure.

As to the cultural differences that might throw in some curves but if we look at the data for the "Latin cultural group" we find France, Portugal, Spain and Italy all grouped well down the list at 72 to 73% reporting positive experiences. Only Brazil of that cultural group gets up into the top ten at 76.6.

See the full graphs here.


Johan....If we all do a little we can do a lot. Visit our little corner of paradise at the Jaltemba Jalapeño.
 
 
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