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prorader

Apr 14, 2011, 2:55 PM

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I think this is just for Mexicans, my girlfriend and her son has it but I don't. Also does anyone know about retired Military being treated at a Mexican Military Hospital? I don't qualify for IMSS to many preexisting conditions



mazbook1


Apr 14, 2011, 2:58 PM

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Mexican military hospitals are open to the public…and very good and very reasonable. Here in Mazatlán, one is located practically in the center of the centro historico where many, many expats live, and everything I have heard about their services is very good.


Moisheh

Apr 14, 2011, 6:58 PM

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You must be kidding. Seguro Popular is for the poorest of the poor. It is very basic health care and does not cover a lot of illnesses. Neither you nor most Mexicans would qualify . I dont know if the citizens have to pay for this service but it would be very inexpensive


prorader

Apr 15, 2011, 7:43 AM

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Sounds like universal health care, covering 275 procedures, may even take the place of IMSS. every newborn child gets the coverage


cbviajero

Apr 15, 2011, 7:47 AM

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I've heard nothing but good things about the military hospital in GDL and yes they are open to the public.
Chris


jerezano

Apr 15, 2011, 8:31 AM

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Hello all,

Seguro Popular is a basic health insurance. It is, as pointed out earlier, a very low cost health insurance program sponsored by the Federal Government for ALL people who do not have a health insurance program. When I say ALL, I mean ALL. I am an 84 year old expat. I have pre-existing conditions, I had no health insurance here in Mexico preferring to pay for medical services on an as-needed basis from private physicians. I still do that but in April of 2010, I joined Seguro Popular as a catastrophic illness coverage plan. I have never used it as yet.

Nevertheless I was surprised when because of my age all premiums were waived and I joined for free for a two year stint. I must renew before March 31, 2013. This two year policy period is apparently standard for all users and they all must renew when their two year period terminates.

I can't recall exactly what documentation I needed but I do remember my FM3, my Curp, and for some reason my Mexican Driver's license--probably as proof of residence. No questions about proof of income at all. No questions about pre-existing conditions. The process was simple although time consuming. Waiting in line, making the application, and being told to wait. After waiting some two hours or so I became bored, broke into the line, and asked if I could come back later to be told, yes, I could. Back later in the day just before the office closed and received my documentation and policy.

The catalog of illnesses and procedures covered is quite extensive ranging from cardiovascular to cancers and treatments, etc. I feel for catastrophic coverage I am well covered. I can also buy my medications through the system, although I have never used that feature either. The coverage seems to be just as good as IMSS but practitioners and services are obtained through the general hospitals rather than IMSS or private. The question faced is whether the applicant has faith and confidence in that source. I do, since my private doctor was one of the founding fathers of our local general hospital. In fact he was director and worked for a year or so getting the hospital's certification.

Would I recommend investigation of this program for anyone looking for health insurance? Yes.

The Seguro Popular office, at least here in Jerez, is located at the General Hospital. I would suspect it to be so anywhere in Mexico.

As ever, jerezano





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Moisheh

Apr 15, 2011, 11:42 AM

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As I stated this program was designed for people that are very poor. Single mothers who do not work, etc. They are persons who "fall through the cracks". The web page for seguro popular specifically states that if you are elegible for IMSS or any other of the Government insurance programs you are not entitled to seguro popular. Makes sense as it is a benefit for the poor. I have been at our local clinic when they were signing up people. The most needy in our community. For a foreigner to participate in this program is almost like accepting welfare from the Mexican government. I won't comment any further.

Moisheh


jerezano

Apr 15, 2011, 12:24 PM

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Hello all,

I just checked the affiliation requirements for Seguro Popular. The following statement is incorrect: "The web page for seguro popular specifically states that if you are elegible for IMSS or any other of the Government insurance programs you are not entitled to seguro popular."

What it does state is that if your are currently a member of any of those programs you are NOT eligible to apply.

That is a great difference. All people with proper documentation, and that documentation is listed as affiliation requirements can join the program. The program was NOT designed only for poor people, but to provide Health Insurance for all residents of Mexico.

As ever, jerezano


prorader

Apr 15, 2011, 1:09 PM

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As I stated above I have to many preexisting conditions for IMSS, as probably lot of American Seniors do. As I stated it would appear that Seguro Popular is going to be for all people living in Mexico, socialized medicine. In fact it is set up that all babies born in Mexico get this insurance for free. It is called new generation health insurance.


Moisheh

Apr 15, 2011, 2:30 PM

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  1. No ser derechohabiente de las instituciones de seguridad social, (IMSS, ISSSTE, PEMEX, SEDENA, etc.)
  2. .Google translate:
    Not be entitled to social security institutions (IMSS, ISSSTE, PEMEX, SEDENA, etc.). I did not know the exact meaning of derechohabiente so I looked it up in Collins: rightful claimant



Rolly


Apr 15, 2011, 3:02 PM

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Please give us a link to their website.

Rolly Pirate


tonyburton / Moderator


Apr 15, 2011, 4:12 PM

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Jerezano has already clarified that this means "not a member of.... " not "not entitled to be a member of".


jerezano

Apr 15, 2011, 5:08 PM

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Hello Rolly and others,

Here is the Affiliation page of the Seguro Popular website which is a Federal Government publication;

http://www.seguro-popular.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21&Itemid=32

Please do NOT depend on google translate for a translation when things are important. Derechohabiente comes from two words habiente "que tiene"one who has, derecho from law or lawful or right. Derechohabiente one who has a lawful right. In other words a member.
As ever, jerezano
http://www.seguro-popular.gob.mx/...;id=21&Itemid=32


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Rolly


Apr 15, 2011, 5:18 PM

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SALUD also provides an English translation of that page here.

Rolly Pirate


prorader

Apr 15, 2011, 5:26 PM

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http://www.seguro-popular.gob.mx/


Carol_Wheeler

Apr 15, 2011, 10:22 PM

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About three years ago, I had a long conversation with David Lord in Puerto Vallarta. As I understand what he told me, US veterans can be treated in Mexican military hospitals and the VA covers the costs. I've also heard that the military hospitals here are quite good.

It's been a while and I'm not certain about the details, but it may be worth looking into, Prorader, even though you're not in PV, as David kindly offered to assist a WW II veteran friend of mine in Acapulco. Here is some contact information for David. He participates in the PV Writer's Group, which meets in the International Friendship Club headquarters, and this may be another way to contact him.

Here's my copy-and-past on David from the PV Mirror:

David Lord served in Vietnam as combat Marine for 1st Battalion 26th Marines, during which time he was severely wounded. He received the Purple Heart and the Presidential Unit Citation for his actions during the war in Vietnam.

In Mexico, David now represents all veterans south of the U.S. border all the way to Panama, before the V.A. and the Board of Veterans Appeals. He is Department of Mexico / Latin America Service Officer, and Commander Puerto Vallarta / Bay of Banderas (new post #14). He was also elected to a one-year term (2004-05) as 1st Vice Commander for the American Legion's Department of Mexico / Latin America.

He is the only Accredited Department of Veterans Affairs Service Officer in Mexico / Latin America, and the Regional Coordinator for the American Consul, Guadalajara, - Medical Program to assist veterans with medical needs & benefits processing, using the Mexican doctors and hospitals / clinics in Vallarta to have treatments paid by V.A. Insurance directly to the doctors or hospitals with U.S. Treasury checks.

David Lord provides service to veterans at no fee. In order to do this he works at Bayside Properties, 160 Francisca Rodriguez St. on the South Side. Tel.: 223-4424. Veterans are welcome to drop in and discuss claims / benefits to which they are entitled by law....

Suerte!


skier14

Apr 16, 2011, 7:36 AM

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I can find no information on the VA Website that pertains to VA paying for veteran´s care at a Mexican Military Hospital.


mazbook1


Apr 16, 2011, 12:19 PM

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Carol is probably referring to veteran who have Tri-Care. Tri-Care does reimburse medical bills paid by veterans in México, not just at the military hospitals, though.


robt65

Apr 16, 2011, 8:58 PM

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Hello Ms Wheeler,

Thanks for the information regarding Mr. David Lord in Puerto Vallarta.
You stated in part: . . . . . . He is the only Accredited Department of Veterans Affairs Service Officer in Mexico / Latin America, and the Regional Coordinator for the American Consul, Guadalajara, - Medical Program to assist veterans with medical needs & benefits processing, using the Mexican doctors and hospitals / clinics in Vallarta to have treatments paid by V.A. Insurance directly to the doctors or hospitals with U.S. Treasury checks.”
A Viet Nam Veteran myself and a 90% service connected veteran, currently under VA care and residing in Mexico, I would strongly caution others to read carefully what Ms. Wheeler has said.
Let me preface my comments with two facts that I now personally know. Fact number 1. The VA does not have any personnel accredited or otherwise in Mexico at this time. This was told to me only last week by a senior management person from the Rio Grande Valley Veterans Administration whom I met with at the McAllen Convention Center “Welcome Home Viet Nam Veteran’s” event. I think this was not said by Ms. Wheeler to mislead anyone, especially veterans living in Mexico for sure.
As a Past member of the American Legion myself, I believe Ms Wheeler is probably referring to the American Legion’s “Veteran’s Service Officer” who may be accredited by the American Legion after taking specific course to assist the veteran and to represent the veteran under a “power of attorney” in obtaining benefits for the serviceman or woman. It has been my personal experience the American Legion Post I used, did not represent me or my case personally at all well. That is not to say that all American Legions are the same. For me I was finally better represented by the Disabled Americans Veterans Post in my former area. All the different military organizations such as American Legion, Disabled Americans Veterans, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Texas Veterans Commission, etc., all have a “service Officer” position. None of these former good men and / or women veterans have anything to do with the Veterans Administration. They solely represent a former service member in matters that may or may not involve the VA, under a signed (by the Veteran) a power of Attorney. This information of representation is then sent to a district and then a regional and central branch of the particular service organization who actually do the representation in VA Affairs, including (if necessary) the se of attorneys for the service man or woman at no cost to the veteran. At best these processes are very slow. Any reimbursements of any monies to the veteran are always paid by a U.S. Department of the Treasury Check. While any service connected veteran member who receives a service connected pension can be treated in Mexico and reimbursed this is not for all medical attention.
For example, when I receive my 100% service connected disability rating, my wife and children will be covered (in the USA) for any and all medical needs. I also can and would be covered at no cost for any medical attention necessary, and not only the service connected portion of my medical needs. If I wish for some care for my family or for my attention for other than my service connected disability I still must only get that care at a NOB VA as it does not fall under reimbursements for foreign medical care.
Pro raider sent to me some valuable information that may well enable me to obtain my necessary service connected medical attention in Mexico. Still Reimbursement is the only way to be paid back by the VA and this can take 3 to 4 months. This is then paid by a U.S. Treasury Department Check. Any such Mexican medical attention that can be reimbursed at this time by the VA under the VA’s Foreign Affairs Office is only for service connected disabilities and not simply for retired veterans who use a different medical plan called a “Tri Care” Medical Plan.
I hope this helps clear up some of the previous posters facts that may (without intention, I’m sure) be confusing or sound promising t any service connected or retired service member.
Robt65


Carol_Wheeler

Apr 16, 2011, 10:41 PM

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Thank you, Robert and Mazbook.

I remembered reading Mr. Lord's recommendations to veterans when I was working at the Guadalajara Reporter, but I couldn't find the original article. He stressed the military hospitals as an option for veterans down here.

What I copied and pasted in my post comes from a PV paper where I believe he has or had a column. I've seen his articles in several Puerto Vallarta publications.

I met him at the PV Writer's Group and he is passionate about helping fellow veterans. He dedicates a great deal of time and energy to that end.

However I'm not a veteran and have never had any dealings with the VA, so my input on this topic isn't expert.

I only hope it is in some way helpful to Prorader and anyone other veterans, as I imagined Mexico's military hospitals could perhaps be more comfortable than such Salubridad hospitals as our wonderful Hospital Civil (Viejo) in Guadalajara where the physicians are superb and the level of care is good but -- oh dear -- the needs are so great! Staff is sometimes stretched thin, open wards afford little privacy, etc. That's what Seguro Popular brings to my mind, whether it's accurate or not, and I know creature comforts are so welcome when we're ill or injured.

My two centavos...

It's good to know the VA covers you in Mexico under some circumstances, and I'm glad y'all can clarify why, when and how.

Over to you.
: )

Carol


robt65

Apr 16, 2011, 11:16 PM

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Hello Again Ms. Wheeler,

It was nice of you to try to put proraider in touch. Now it's got to be his call. I can tell you that I have heard that all people (ex pats) military veterans or not, are welcome at the military hospitals of Mexico. From what I understand they are pretty good hospitals also! Now you have reminded me to find out where mine is near San Juan del Rio. I know there is a very big base in C.D. Queretaro. Maybe there is one there. Thanks for the reminder.

Robt65


rockydog85251

Apr 17, 2011, 7:41 AM

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My husband had to use the millitary hospital services in Mazatlan one night for a kidney stone. They were very attentive and kind to him. Cost was negligble. We have also taken friends there in a pinch/emergency. However, it was our understanding that at least in Mazatlan, while being able to receive fine medical outpatient care, that non-military admittance was not possible. Maybe it is different in other locales.
Willie


robt65

Apr 17, 2011, 7:48 AM

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Thanks for that good information Willie. Do you know if the families of Veterans can also use those Mexican hospitals?

robt65


Rolly


Apr 17, 2011, 7:50 AM

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Civilian use of military hospitals is on a space available basis.
The hospital jefe makes the determination of what services may be use by civilians.

Rolly Pirate


tonynico

Apr 17, 2011, 8:06 AM

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What proof do you need to show you are a veteran. MY VA card or a discharge?
Also why would the Mexican gov't extend services to U.S. Vets?
Do all Mexican vet hospitals take U.S. vets or is it regional like so many other things in Mexico?

Tony


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