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arbon

Mar 30, 2011, 2:40 PM

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The Baja beach situation was entirely different. The foreigners bought property the same way they would anywhere else in the "exclusion zone"... the only difference being the "sellers" had stolen the land, and pút the "buyers" into the same position as any other receiver of stolen goods.

There is no land in any municipio in North or South Baja that is outside the 100/50 Km Zones.
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richmx2

Mar 30, 2011, 9:13 PM

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Well, yeah. The point was that the problems the foreigners had with the property had nothing to do with any exclusion zone special regulations, but simply that they had purchased property from people who had no right to sell it, and it was returned to the rightful owners. The analogy would be if someone steals an old beater car from you, gives it a new paint job and sells it to a guy who does a valve job on it. It's still your car, and if it's recovered, you've got a nicer car, and the guy who fixed it up is SOL, but might have a civil case (and a criminal complaint for fraud) against the guy who sold it to him. Even if you were a jerk about it, nothing in the law would give the guy who fixed up the car any legitimate claim against you (after all, you didn't ask him to do a valve job on your car).

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salto_jorge

Apr 4, 2011, 9:38 AM

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My families’ relatives are Yaqui Indians, many Yaqui's and Seri's live on Ehidos and communal lands between Kino and Desemboque to Caborca.

All I have to say about Bahia Kino is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%ADa_Kino

playaboy

Apr 5, 2011, 7:44 AM

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Here on the Caribbean Coast I live in a community of 100+ homes on leased land. The community has been around for 20 year. It has exploded in the last 5 years as us baby boomers near retirement.

We have all made improvements on our lots. We live here because the water is warm, the beach is beautiful, and the feeling of safety and community we share.

It is also very easy to live here. Since all utilities are include I don't have to deal with government agencies, CFE, water companies and the like.

Our landlords are an honest and ethical family. He has invested in the infrastructure and allowed us to build within guidelines. We pay rent and my landlords have a nice business with a very nice income.

Leasing allows me to have something I would have never been able to afford. I would have had to win the lottery to be able to live where I have for the last 7 years.

Moisheh

Apr 5, 2011, 2:33 PM

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I would not put much faith in a Wiki article that tries to discredit Moser. She is/was a world renowned expert on not just the area but the Seris. She has written books about the Seris and lived with them when writing the first book. The land in New Kino never belonged to anyone other than the State of Sonora. . I know of no person who bought any land that was Ejido land. Some of the confusion may come from Kino being a part of the Municipality of Hermosillo. Thus the Seri villages that are not part of the town are often refered to as being in Kino. Kino Viejo and Kino Nuevo have never had any crops other than experimental. The population figures are probably correct. One has to be cautious when reading Wiki and other articles on Kino. Some developers will state that thousands of foreigners come here every year in order to sell a lot. Those figures are false. The area we live in was developed by the State ( or City) along with a California company. The State or Hermosillo paved the streets, put in utilities and surveyed the lots. The Calif. company sold the lots. This was in the 70's. None were Ejido. There are Ejidos in the Municipality of Hermosilo but they are East of us between here and Calle Doce. The lack of water and salty soil prevented any real crop growing in the immediate area.

surebought

Apr 20, 2011, 3:07 PM

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Don't leave your brain at the border.

Marlene

Apr 21, 2011, 7:57 AM

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You all built houses on land you don't own? Just curious what's to protect your investment, legally, in years to come?

playaboy

Apr 21, 2011, 6:12 PM

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Yes, my neighbors and I have built our homes on lease land.

Legally, there are laws in Mexico that protect tenants from landlords. I don't know what they are or if I would ever need to know. I do know that my landlord has quite a few steps he has to go through to take over properties that are behind on rent. It is a long, arduous process and can take years. Sadly to say with the economy being so bad NOB, he had to take a couple properties over.

As I said in my original post, my landlord is a honest and ethical man. As far as I am concerned a handshake with him is as good as gold.

I get to live in paradise, on the beautiful Caribbean, right in the center of the Riviera Maya, at a beach where they film Corona Beer commercials, at a price a middle class retiree can afford. Check out the view I have every morning with my coffee, in the attached picture.

This community has been around for 20+years and isn't going anywhere.

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Marlene

Apr 21, 2011, 7:15 PM

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Interesting. How much money would you say those who couldn't afford to pay the rent on the land under their houses lost in this repossession process? Are their houses now being sold by the land owner?

richmx2

Apr 21, 2011, 11:53 PM

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Sold... or rented? I would check with your lawyer(s) about this, but everywhere I've ever been, any permanent changes to rental property become the landlord's property when you move (or are evicted). I know that here "permanent fixtures" tend to not include things like water heaters, but pretty sure they would include the house itself.

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playaboy

Apr 22, 2011, 8:40 AM

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Some lost quite a bit of money. I think (and I don't know for sure) they have to be behind either the value of the improvements on the land or 2 years of non-payment before my landlord can acquire the home. There are many other legal things he must do, papers to be filed, notices sent to the owners, etc. He has resold those casitas.

I can to sell my home. I can make a profit. I can rent another lot and build a spec home to sell. Do I have a legal right? Who knows, but this is allowed here by my landlord and improvements are encouraged. New owners must pass a criminal background check and pay a transfer fee.

In all honesty, this community is not for everybody. There is a very strong trust factor in play. Living here is not about the law but about a way of life. I live in "Pepe Landia" and he is King of the realm. He is a honest, fair, and just King. If you follow the rules and pay your rent than you never hear from the King. That is good enough for myself and the over 130 other home owners, renter or whatever we are.

Most of us are guests in Mexico, either FMM, FM3's, FM2's or imigrado. Laws can be changed and our possessions can be nationalized tomorrow with no recourse. If the Mexican government wants to take our homes, who's to stop them? if my landlord wanted to take my home, who do you think would win a battle in the Mexican courts, the Gringo or the wealthy Mexican?

As the old saying goes "NEVER INVEST IN MEXICO ANYMORE THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE".

Meanwhile I am living the dream.

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