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Marlene


Feb 6, 2011, 10:46 AM

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We have had record breaking lows here in Mazatlan, too. The cold front brought winds so strong, they closed the port, and schools. It was awful. The recorded low was 3C a couple of nights ago. People just don't have the bedding or clothing for near freezing temperatures. Northerners forget when they are comparing temperatures, that we don't have fireplaces or heaters here. Inside these concrete walls, as you say Rolly, it is VERY cold and most of the day it is warmer outside than inside. Luckily we have the sun shining, and no rain like some places when a cold front moves in.


Papirex


Feb 10, 2011, 11:32 AM

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Mexico City is my wife's hometown. She comes from a very large family and they live all over The Republic, but many, many of them live in México City, both in The D.F. And in Mexico State. We used to live there too.


Every winter almost always one of them will call her to tell her the temps will be down to around 8° C. (46.4° F.) at night. Even though she owns her own house in México City, her mother lives with us here too. They love their hometown, but every winter they are both very happy that we live in Cuernavaca, especially when it is freezing, or flooding, or other disasters are happening in Mexico City. The coolest night we ever had here was 8.9° C. (48° F.) outside temperature, about 4 or 5 years ago during a particularly cold winter in Mexico.


Our house is always a few degrees warmer inside, than the outside temperature. We do use an electric Delonghi oil filled radiator on cool days. When it comes to choosing between a lower electric bill and comfort, comfort always wins.


I have never seen any frost here. Cuernavaca is at an average elevation of 5,000 feet above sea level, it varies because this city is on the slope of the mountain that goes up to Mexico City. According to Google maps, our house is either at 5,500 feet, or 6,300 feet elevation. Not camera height, but terrain height. I think the lower figure is more accurate.


We have a niece and nephew that live in the city. The southern edge of Mexico City is only 85 KM (52.7 miles) from here. They live in Ajusco, where it snows at, or near their home most years. A couple of years ago, they bought a second home here. They and their two daughters come here about once per month during the winter, not to party, but to enjoy our climate.


There is a myth that Cuernavaca fills with capitalinos and prices spike on the weekends here. That is not true. There is no noticeable influx of people, and prices remain stable on weekends and holidays. After all, there are many more opportunities to party, and fine dining places in Mexico City than in most places.


Stay warm, Rex
"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo


La Isla


Feb 10, 2011, 11:43 AM

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Every winter almost always one of them will call her to tell her the temps will be down to around 8° C. (46.4° F.) at night. Even though she owns her own house in México City, her mother lives with us here too. They love their hometown, but every winter they are both very happy that we live in Cuernavaca, especially when it is freezing, or flooding, or other disasters are happening in Mexico City.


Since I'm from the Northeast in the US, I am used to very cold winters. I find that Mexicans in the D.F. are quite sensitive to slight drops in temperature at this time of year, even in the daytime with the sun out and temperatures maybe "down" to 20 degrees C. Sometimes I'm out and about in the daytime wearing short sleeves and no jacket or sweater, and people are amazed that I'm not cold. I don't find that 8 degrees at night is such a big deal if the sun has been out in the daytime to warm things up, though I do confess that I occasionally turn on my R2D2 space heater a few nights a year : ) ! I don't consider cold temperatures a "disaster", and I am confused about your mention of flooding as another possible disaster, since rain rarely falls here in the winter, at least not in the center of the city (near Reforma and the Angel) where I live.


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Papirex


Feb 10, 2011, 1:18 PM

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I agree with you about the average Mexican being overly sensitive about low temperatures. Many times before we moved here, and I was visiting, my family would be chilly and need to put their coats on in a restaurant, etc. They used to joke that I was immune to the cold.


I lived in Alaska for 30 years too. There is no coldness in Mexico compared to that.


The frequent flooding in Mexico City that I mentioned is not natural, it is usually always from failed infrastructure, usually sewers, sometimes water distribution systems, etc. One of my wife's aunts had to evacuate her house in the southern part of the city in Mexico state a few years ago due to flooding.


We get live TV news from Mexico city here, as well as local news. I suspect that the city government officials in Mexico City probably restrict access to that type of event so that no one locally will accuse them of diverting funds, instead of using them for their intended purpose to maintain infrastructure to assure the safety of the city and people.


Part of the problems can be with the original Spanish conquerors. When they started to develop Mexico City, they simply filled in many of the waterways with no regard for diverting the water. Occasionally part of a street will simply collapse. About 3 or 4 years ago that happened and a young man fell into the hole, his body was never recovered.


The house my suegra owns is in the Colonia Doctores. It was once owned by the federal government. My wife's late grandmother signed the original lease for it in 1932. Doctores at that time was mostly small farms, big trees, and a river ran through it.


As the city grew to engulf it, the farms and most of the trees are now gone, and the river is now beneath a boulevard. I have warned my wife that someday part of that boulevard will probably collapse, so we avoid driving on it as much as possible.


It is the same all over this country. Testing, or examination of the land is seldom done before anything is built on it. The Gerentes of any agency would rather sell all of the paperwork for a few Pennies of scrap value, than to store them and have them used someday to avoid future problems, or to prove their culpability for any failures someday.


Rex
"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo


ken_in_dfw

Feb 10, 2011, 6:12 PM

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Apparently pipes and human extremities weren't the only things freezing in the Mexican cold snap. This is a notice from Sysco (Adobe Acrobat file), one of the largest suppliers of groceries to restaurants and other institutional buyers. Get ready to pay through the nose for your veggies and fruits - where you can get them.


Papirex


Feb 12, 2011, 9:39 AM

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Here in Lerdo we hit an all-time low last night 17°F, -8°C.
Frozen pipes, so no water. In fact, it looks like the whole town is without water.

We've found one ruptured pipe in the bathroom. Thank goodness there's a cutoff valve in front of the break.
T thought I had left all this behind when I moved from Boston to Los Angeles.
I never dreamed I'd be fighting frozen pipes in México.

I'm sitting here bundled up in all my winter gear, and I'm still cold.
I think I'll go back to bed. Oh, I forgot. I woke up eary today because I was cold.
I brought in the dogs' water dish to thaw the ice, so they coulld have a drink before it froze again.

Let's hear it for climate change!
****************************************************************************************** Now, it is balmy February and the bitter cool of winter is behind us here in Cuernavaca, Morelos. This morning, Saturday, February 12th at 9 AM it was 19° C. (62° F.) outside temp. and 22° C. (71.6° F.) inside the unheated house.


Now, at 10:15 AM it is 19.6° C. (67.28° F.) outside, and 22.6° C. (72.68° F.) inside. The rest of you have our sympathy (but not much). It never freezes here, and I have never seen frost here.


I still turn our heater on the low setting in the mornings for our dogs. They like to lie next to the heater on their rugs. In the mornings, their eyes are clearly asking me, “Hey where's our heat?”. I don't own the dogs, they own themselves, but they are part of our family, so I turn the heater on low for them.


Rex

"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo

(This post was edited by Papirex on Feb 12, 2011, 9:47 AM)


mexicobuff

Feb 12, 2011, 9:44 AM

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"...the bitter cool of winter..." Love it.
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