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sparks


Feb 2, 2011, 4:56 AM

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Authorities say there were at least seven blocks and the detonation of a grenade

http://www.informador.com.mx/...tos-de-la-ciudad.htm

Wed, February 2, 2011 12:39:14 AM

This Warden Message is being issued due to an ongoing blockade of the Chapala highway between Guadalajara and the Guadalajara International Airport. In addition, local law enforcement entities report that there are additional security-related incidents currently occurring in the Guadalajara Metropolitan Area.

The U.S. Consulate General urges American citizens to tune in to local media sources for additional information.

Sparks Mexico - Sparks Costalegre


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chinagringo


Feb 2, 2011, 10:25 AM

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Re: [sparks] Blocks made in the Guadalajara Metropolitan Zone

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Some additional info in the following article from EL OCCIDENTAL:
http://www.oem.com.mx/...l/notas/n1950461.htm

And a map showing the location of the incidents:
http://maps.google.com.mx/...021&t=h&z=11
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM


Casa

Feb 2, 2011, 5:38 PM

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Not only in Guadalajara, but in Monterrey and Zacatecas last night as well.

see more here in English

There was at least one low flying Military Helicopter flying over my house in GDL today. Also saw military personal in the back of trucks in the down town area. (previously I had not noticed a military presence in the downtown core)

I am surprised not to see more information about it here on mexconnect.

chinagringo


Feb 2, 2011, 6:07 PM

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Casa:

It is quite simple - easier for the Gringos to push their collective heads further in the sand and say that these event did not happen. After the very first incident of this type that happened immediately after the arrest of 10 narcos in Chapala, there was even an email circulating that the incident did not happen as reported by virtually all media outlets and the dummies at the US Consulate, whose credibility is somewhat suspect at best.

I am guessing/betting that there are a fair number of Gringos that have secretly made the decision to bail on MX and are trying to preserve what property values they have left. Good luck on that one! The best bet might be the narcos with plenty of USD and the ability to carry the proceeds out in a "black bag".
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM


RickS


Feb 2, 2011, 6:40 PM

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"...even an email circulating that the incident did not happen as reported..."

Neil, that statement is, at a minimum, a misrepresentation of the general attitude at Lakeside IMO. ONE individual made that absurd overture and he was quickly rebutted. Everyone here that I talk to is keenly aware that these situations are happening; I see no one with his/her head in the sand. But I think (opinion) that most are just staying alert and I hear no talk (doesn't mean it isn't happening 'tho) of anyone pulling up stakes. Concerned, yes, bailing out, I don't think so.

Anybody else who is actually here (Lakeside) heard from anyone who is packing it in for reasons other than health or similar situations?

Sergio Wheeler

Feb 2, 2011, 7:21 PM

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Overall the facts are the following:
7 vehicles were burnt, one of which was city bus. The total outcome was 5 people detained and one police officer injured by a gunshot. His condition is stable.

chinagringo


Feb 2, 2011, 8:01 PM

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"Anybody else who is actually here (Lakeside) heard from anyone who is packing it in for reasons other than health or similar situations?"

Don't qualify as being at Lakeside but I do know of people who are bailing not only at Lakeside but also from other areas of MX because of their perception of the situation and without providing excuses that may be deemed PC. With our business interests in MX, I hate making that statement but to my way of thinking, that is the reality. I have just spent the past month and a half designing/building a Mexico products website, so obviously I am not willing to write off the Country as a whole!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM


Maxmilliano

Feb 3, 2011, 8:02 AM

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I couldn't agree with you more Neil, it's a phenomena that baffles me. Many of the Gringos that I know fall into a group that are completely ignorant about what is happening through out the country or in their local areas. There is another group who seem to have some inkling of what's happening but choose to deny or ignore it completely believing that it isn't happening in their neighborhood, especially in Puerto Vallarta and the Riviera Nayarit. I have recently seen movement which indicates another group is developing and some are quietly bailing, more real estate listings, prices dropping and new construction starts almost non-existent.

DavidHF

Feb 3, 2011, 12:49 PM

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As far as I can tell, none of that is true Lakeside; we know of no one leaving, we all (the folks we know) read the local press and watch tv, new houses are being worked on and others started. There are some folks who rely on rumors on this and other boards. They're usually set straight pretty quickly. There certainly are folks who don't know what's going on, that group may be huge for all I know, but if they're out of touch they're certainly not leaving since they have no reason to. There are thousands of permanent residents here and thousands of snowbirds, the above two posters don't know what the local expats know or thing, and are speculating. What they are saying will become the source of rumors for the rest of us to dispel.

Casa

Feb 3, 2011, 6:18 PM

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I think security is like music volume or temperature everyone has a different tolerance level or acceptable limit. It is very difficult to get everyone to agree. (Your neighbour’s music might be too loud for you but it’s not for him) In addition some people might say the music s not to loud but they would really have it turned down a bit.

Having said that, I believe that there has been a definite increase in temperature/music volume in Jalisco and Mexico as a whole when compared to a few years ago and it would be unwise IMHO to ignore it and hope it goes away. I am not saying that planes are arriving anytime soon to evacuate expats and snowbirds. And speaking of airplanes there is a new warden message today concerning the road to the GDL airport. You can see it at the US Consulate website here

Si no aguantas el calor, sal de la cocina

don pedro


Feb 4, 2011, 7:22 AM

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i don't know the other poster but i do know chinagringo and i can tell you, david,since you have forgotten, that he has many contacts here and does keep up with "reliable" media because he also has concerns about business associates in other parts as well. i am sure that i am not the only one that talks on the phone with him several times a week.
in addition, he is a member of my board which is quite open, with the exception that there are no rumours allowed.
so whatever he says ;you won't have any rumours to dispell.
and get this people, not everything is in the news-just like in our former countries.
a friend of mine who has a high level position with the jalisco government texted me an apology for not returning my calls earlier this week because everyone was really busy[including him] as there were 3 shootings as well as what you read about and saw on tv.
http://chapalamexicoinfo.createforumhosting.com
naivete is a chronIc disease and by its very nature;the afflicted never know they have it.-SNORK!

stevebrtx

Feb 4, 2011, 2:08 PM

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Well, just came back down from Guad about 12:30 this afternoon, Friday, something was going on, traffic backup and lots of police and Feds and a helicopter hovering on the N side of the airport. Didn't see anything but two old pickup off to the side but everyone had their heavy firepower out. Going into town we saw an army truck on the other side of the road with a guy who had bandoleers of ammunition slung around his shoulders.
http://www.chapalaweather.net

chinagringo


Feb 4, 2011, 2:09 PM

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Here is an exact quote of a friend's note to me today:
"On the way home today we were a bit N of the airport and traffic suddenly slowed, almost stopped and we joked about some excitement for our day. About then a police truck came screaming along on the center median and then more sirens and I looked behind and squeezed over and maybe 2 Fed cars and 4-5 trucks came weaving through traffic, then we saw a black chopper hovering out over the N side of the airport. Traffic kept moving and just at the airport most of the trucks were off to the side and a couple of old pickups were there, one Fed car was over on the airport land, everyone had out their rifles but we didn't see anything else. A bit S of the airport as traffic picked up we saw 3 more police trucks off to the right side, but nothing more."

A check of INFORMADOR revealed:
http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisco/2011/268727/6/causa-estragos-a-la-vialidad-falsa-alarma-en-aeropuerto-tapatio.htm

While it all apparently was a false alarm, it was probably a good thing that the Federal Police and the Mexican Army did not read the memo circulating around the Lake Chapala area that incidents only happen at night!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM


robt65

Feb 4, 2011, 7:56 PM

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Hi All,

Guess I missed the "lack Bean" again! Went through there on Sunday the 30th of January! Great trip and not one blockade. Only one legitimate military checkpoint about 30 miles west of Reynosa and another municipal police check point about 16 miles from the city. The most exciting thing on the whole boring trip was a herd of cows that were getting on to the west bound lanes just a mile or so past the first (west bound) Quota. Went from San Juan del Rio to Matahuala. Stayed the night at the Oasis Hotel. Had breakfast in the morning at the La Palmas Hotel and went on my way, driving my white 2010 GMC Crew Cab 4X4 towing a 30 foot travel trailer. Went up to and around Monterrey by the Quota. Pretty pricey but very sparse traffic. Went through the Reynosa bridge and no problems at all. No waiting crossed at about 5:30 Sunday afternoon.

Met a couple of nice ladies driving a white colored Yukon at breakfast in Las Palmas from "the Lake Area. They were just running away to San Antonio to spend a little money shopping. Verry nice ladies and a hoot to speak to.

Robt65

turnabout

Feb 5, 2011, 5:37 AM

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Doesn´t the fact it was a false alarm support the memo that states incidents only happen at night?

careyeroslib

Feb 5, 2011, 7:30 PM

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Hi: I come to this Forum frequently for good solid info particularly on Immigration and how it is to drive through the border regions (Texas area) and I applaud the great info given by you guys. I want to especially mention Rolly, Altahabana and also Robt65 Most helpful information. (Others too, but I forget names).

We own property in both Riviera Nayarit and Vallarta and we are neither ostriches nor are we running away from Mexico.

It's just really nice to get first-hand experience in making things easier.

Thank you. And please keep posting. I shall try to help out more myself

Sincerely,

Elizabeth
 
 
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