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Re: [chinagringo] Another Car (Title) Question

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Car things are state matters, so it is not surprising that there is variation. The same is true in the USA.
I have lived and owned cars in 11 states, and I can assure you there are variations there too.

Rolly Pirate

morgaine7

Jan 23, 2011, 8:59 PM

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Re: [robt65] Another Car (Title) Question

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I hope what I wrote was not interpreted to say that a title had to have a mans name on it; quite to the contrary.

Not at all. Earlier you mentioned a "past mentality of women not having ownership of such things", and I was just offering instances from the present as evidence that times have changed.

Kate

robt65

Jan 24, 2011, 12:55 AM

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Re: [morgaine7] Another Car (Title) Question

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Hi morgaine7,

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, and I agree with that perception. I think today the Mexican national is becoming more attentive to many things, that in the past were put off or not done at all. Things such as legal documents and the perception that women were second in many things. It's good to see growth.

robt65

gpkgto

Jan 24, 2011, 7:05 AM

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Re: [mazbook1] Another Car (Title) Question

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Regarding the "new" used car I just bought, the local version of the DMV told me that only one name was possible. The new car I bought (about 10 years ago) had 3 names on the factura issued by the car agency.

Jan 24, 2011, 7:19 AM

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Re: [morgaine7] Another Car (Title) Question

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Does this mean that when you bought the car the three owners signed off on it ? I am curious because if they did not could it mean that the ones that did not sign could still claim ownership?
If you were told recently that only one name could go on it, it must be the current rule in Guanajuato . Were the names under y/ o or only Y or O?

mazbook1

Jan 24, 2011, 4:48 PM

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Re: [Rolly] Another Car (Title) Question

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Rolly, Re: Y/O vs. just O. Y/O is actually confusing, so if you REALLY want it so that BOTH parties have to sign to sell the vehicle, it should be just Y. If you want it if the form to protect each person should something happen to the other, it should be just O to prevent confusion if that case occurs. In the U.S. I don't THINK that AND/OR is even allowed on vehicle titles, I pretty certain that it wasn't during my 40 years in the vehicle business. Not that we would have ever used it, even if allowed.

When you use AND/OR or Y/O, one or the other is redundant and unnecessary (depending on what you really mean), something which should be avoided on legal documents.

Jan 24, 2011, 5:44 PM

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Re: [mazbook1] Another Car (Title) Question

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Not only that but it makes one question, which is it? It's a contradiction and seems to leave open to interpretation as to which one takes precedence. Maybe the idea is for the owner to choose the meaning which one suits them best but who's to say it won't end up being some official choosing the meaning that suits them worst? It seems like something that virtually invites doubt and inconsistency. I can just see one clerk/official jumping on the Y and demanding both parties sign something while the clerk/official in the next booth jumps on the O and allows either one. Or the same clerk decides differently depending on whether it is Tuesday or Thursday.

Jan 24, 2011, 5:47 PM

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I do not know what they allowed today but the title on our car was issued 6 years ago and says y/o and neither one of us pushed for this so it was allowed at least that year.

tashby

Jan 24, 2011, 7:28 PM

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Re: [Vichil] Another Car (Title) Question

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It seemed like such a simple question when I started this thread.

Hardee-har-har.

Today I sought counsel from a source who I consider to be extremely reliable on this topic. (I'm friendly with a local car-buying service who deals with title transfers all the time. Even better, ella es Mexicana. I'm not hiring them, just picking the brain for free.) She said, "no problem.....just use y/o".

Thursday of this week the seller and I will go to the Chapala Office to try to shuffle the papers. Somewhat frighteningly, I just got off the phone with the seller and he doesn't seem to understand what I mean by, "We really need the Factura...."

Drama! It's the only necessary document I haven't actually seen for myself.

Wish me luck.

(This post was edited by tashby on Jan 24, 2011, 7:58 PM)

gpkgto

Jan 25, 2011, 7:32 AM

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Re: [Vichil] Another Car (Title) Question

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My first car was titled "y/o" with 3 names. It was traded-in for a new car and only one signature was required to complete the trade-in. When I bought a used car recently, the local government version of DMV said only one name could go on the title.

robt65

Jan 25, 2011, 8:08 AM

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Like I said earlier, Have the local boys show you the law that says it CAN NOT be done with two or more signatures. They will not be able to do it. Maybe they don't want to do it, as it may be a little more work than they like, but I am sure that it can be done. Have them show you such a state law. If you want two people on the title, don't be a wimp, fight for it. What do they do when the car is financed by a bank or another person?

It has been my experience here in Mexico that many government workers have the bad habit of saying something without having any proof to back it up. If it becomes necessary, I remind them it is my taxes that pays their wages and I expect them to actually work for their pay. They may not like it but so what. That is why laws . . . . . even Mexican laws, are written. I find that many Mexican people are so gracious, they are willing to accept any answer, from any government worker as being gospel. As someone in MexConnect once said in a forum . . . . it just ain't so!

robt65

Jan 25, 2011, 8:13 AM

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Re: [gpkgto] Another Car (Title) Question

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Thanks for your answer it clarifies the meaning of the "o" at least in my mind. It sounds like Guanajuato does not want to issue the Y/O any more and that Jalisco still does.
Tashby, Good luck on your transaction if your buyer can find the factura!
We asked our insurrance agent if a certified coy of the factura could be used, in case of the loss of the original and his answer was" how do I know you did not sell the car with the original factura and are now trying to tell me you are still the owner?"

Jan 25, 2011, 10:31 AM

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Re: [Vichil] Another Car (Title) Question

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I would ask him "why would I want to insure a car I no longer own?".

And how does he know you didn't counterfeit a factura so well that it cannot be discerned from the original?

Jan 25, 2011, 10:32 AM

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Re: [robt65] Another Car (Title) Question

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Ha ha, changing Mexico... one ex-pat at a time.

robt65

Jan 25, 2011, 11:05 AM

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One never knows until one tries.

robt65

mexicobuff

Jan 25, 2011, 12:15 PM

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Re: [chinagringo] Another Car (Title) Question

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I'm not sure that I understand your point, chinagringo. The same situation would exist if someone asked how a car would transfer title between individuals in the United States. Just like in Mexico, there is no one answer to that question. It's not done the same way in New York State as it is in California, and it's not done the same way in Alabama as it is in Montana. Each state in the USA has its own Department of Motor Vehicles, called by any number of names, and each state in Mexico has its own as well.

chinagringo

Jan 25, 2011, 12:52 PM

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Re: [mexicobuff] Another Car (Title) Question

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I just went back and re-read my post and realized I did a very poor job of making my point. I think those of us that are casual travelers to Mexico tend to relate to the Country as a whole and less on a State by State basis. In all my years of following this and other forums, I see forum members who cannot figure out why something that happened a certain way in one area doesn't happen the same way somewhere else in Mexico. So often there is little or no designation whether an issue being raised is a State issue or a Federal issue and then the lines become gray which really confuses people. I am not inferring that all national Governments always act with consistency but Mexico carries the inconsistency to an extreme.

YMMV is a perfect explanation for what your experience may be when compared to another person's.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Jan 25, 2011, 2:49 PM

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The insurrance agent is a friend and basically told us to protect the factura and not to lose it if we did not want a major headache as it is unlikely a copy even a certified one was acceptable.

Jan 25, 2011, 3:24 PM

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tashby

Jan 27, 2011, 10:24 AM

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Re: [tashby] Another Car (Title) Question

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As an update, we did the paperwork today. It was a breeze. The seller did have the original factura, and he signed the back of it ceding rights to us. The folks in Chapala didn't bat an eye at putting the car in both our names. We were in and out in 45 minutes.

It is, indeed, the original Factura printed from the car dealership in Guadalajara. We're the third owners, and the signature of the original owner is also on the back of it. Time to put it somewhere safe!

morgaine7

Jan 27, 2011, 10:38 AM

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Re: [tashby] Another Car (Title) Question

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Good news, Tashby! I'm glad it all went smoothly for you.

Kate

tashby

Jan 27, 2011, 6:37 PM

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Re: [morgaine7] Another Car (Title) Question

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Thanks! Sometimes it pays to do the homework ahead of time. Sometimes.

And thanks to everyone who provided their experiences and insights on the issue of car title transfer. Truthfully both of my experiences in Mexico with car-related matters, the other being getting a driver's license, have gone smoothly, AND taken less time than with DMVs in California, New York and Washington states. MexConnect is such a great resource for so many things.

Corliss

Feb 7, 2011, 11:38 AM

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