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Brian

Nov 17, 2010, 11:36 AM

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The deputy police chief of Chapala along with four other individuals was arrested. After questioning three bodies were located in shallow graves along the highway between Chapala and Jocotopec. Additionally, two more were found near the village of Ajijic. All the hitmen, including the police official, are alleged to be affiliated with the Millenium Cartel.

http://alertaperiodistica.com.mx/...la-criminal-cay.html

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/724127.html

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Zardoz

Nov 17, 2010, 6:57 PM

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What do you say???? It is so sad that it has come to this. Money and greed but who knows how many of us might do the same thing if we were mexican and this much money was dangeled in front of me. I worked for a fortune 50 company and
did engineering buying and I was offered super bowl tickets as a bribe and other things. I learned to not even take a coffee
cup as it is a slippery slope down if you do. But I was paid very well. Would I have taken it if I were paid or treated poorly??
I don't know. What I am trying to say is I understand how hard it would be to resist the temptation to take the money.

What would you do???

Z

RickS

Nov 18, 2010, 8:43 AM

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..... another one bites the dust.....

Hound Dog

Nov 18, 2010, 9:16 AM

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What do you say???? It is so sad that it has come to this. Money and greed but who knows how many of us might do the same thing if we were mexican and this much money was dangeled in front of me.

An excellent observation, Zardoz. Dawg was raised in the deep south of the U.S. when that region was dirt poor and New England textile mills moved to South Alabama and other parts of the region to screw the locals which they could hire at a fraction of the cost of unionized workers in New England. They liked to hire the dirt farmers´ wives back in the 50s and those women flocked there in order to put food on the table in between harvests of such things as cotton, corn and such when their husbands were taken to the cleaners selling their harvests to buyers who were actually oligopolistic.

In the relatively new Mexican movie El Infierno, our hero El Benny. who was corrupted by the system initially in order to help someone else to get out of jail and motivated by the necessity to bride the cops, was told by his friend and associate; "When you start to feel sorry for what we do, remember how poor we were with no hope and no prospects in life."

This sort of thing ain´t unique to Mexico. The violent and dreaded Ku Klux Klan grew from desperate dirt farmers. In the 1950s and 60s, European and American chemical companies came south to exploit the poor and ignorant and turn pristine coastal estuaries along the gulf into poisonous cesspools. All for filthy lucre.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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vetteforron

Nov 19, 2010, 4:42 AM

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I am from the South and remember things a little different. I remember tough times and neighbors helping neighbors. Like the time my Mom and Dad boxed food stuff and taking it to a friend out of work. Then when the friend got a job he paid us back with an old wall clock because of what money he made he needed every cent. I still have the clock and probably has some real value today. People don't have to turn to crime to survive. I think it depends on something called character. I see good old poor people everyday here in Mexico which are just poor and would not take a peso of bad money. It is those young ones which think they need a Ford Navigator with one thousand decibels of sound, which take the drug money.

Now. I have a dog in this fight. My business. I can't imagine someone bringing their loved ones down here and leaving them here in Mexico after watching CNN and Fox news. This is serious stuff and it is getting ugly. Unfortunately I don't see it getting better soon.

I also have a 16 YO Daughter and I am trying to teach her to be grateful for what she has and that drugs are bad. If you watch Mexican news (which is very graphic) it easy to teach her what drugs do by looking at the bloody bodies and the mug shots.

Dawg and I remember how the area was 10 years or so ago. I wish they were back. What a difference 10 years makes.

johninajijic

Nov 19, 2010, 7:38 AM

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http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/724127.html

Five bodies found in "narco-graves" in Jalisco
The bodies were found after the arrest of five persons supposedly linked to the Millennium Cartel. Among the detained is the deputy police chief of Chapala.

GUADALAJARA | Wednesday November 17, 2010 Ulises Zamarroni | El Universal 12:15

This morning five bodies were found in clandestine graves on the Lake Chapala shoreline.

Agents of the Jalisco State Attorney General's Office (PGEJ) reported that the discovery of the "narco-graves" resulted from the arrest of five subjects, among them the deputy municipal police chief of Chapala, Felipe Gómez Romero.

Yesterday state police arrested the police supervisor and four other men, who apparently are linked to the Millennium Cartel.

As a result...
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Bennie García

Nov 19, 2010, 8:01 AM

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What is with these lengthy cut and paste posts? Do we really need a platoon of crime reporters to repeat articles easily found in the mainstream media for those who are interested?

If these wannabe Clark Kents really need to post this info at least they could follow accepted internet decorum and post a short caption and the link to the original article.

Rolly

Nov 19, 2010, 8:02 AM

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POSTING COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL is not legal and not wanted on MexConnect.
It's OK to post a paragraph or two and a link to the source,
but it is not OK to post the whole article or a even a large part of it.
Doing so leaves MexConnect open to legal action.

Rolly Pirate

johanson

Nov 19, 2010, 8:10 PM

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All I know is that the closest grave was about 4 blocks from my house, and that now not only do I see local police trucks but also State police trucks responding to whatever. So the state and maybe federal troops are here now. (Ajijic and Chapala)

In the states I would always say hello to police officers. And I used to do it down here. I was warned by some of my Mexican friends, that this is not always a good idea in Mexico.

Am I an expert on any of what is happening down here? No. Pero porque yo soy pocho de nacolandia (Seattle), you puedo hablar un poco Esp. de un ruco naco, and I understand a little more about what is happening around here than those who do not understand Spanish. Now if I could only speak it better, you know, like a "fresa".

johninajijic

Nov 20, 2010, 8:07 AM

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None of this existed 9 1/2 years ago when we moved here and now it's getting closer and closer to home. How can anyone make their friends believe it's safe to move here? And what will this do to property values?

tonyburton

Nov 20, 2010, 8:54 AM

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"None of this existed 9 1/2 years ago"
Nonsense! There were numerous drugs-related killings in the Chapala area in the 1990s (and well before).

Rolly

Nov 20, 2010, 9:23 AM

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If you think things are bad now, think back 98 years to the Revolution (civil war).
Those were really scary times.

Rolly Pirate

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Demonio

Nov 20, 2010, 12:07 PM

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If you think things are bad now, think back 98 years to the Revolution (civil war).
Those were really scary times.

Rolly, I knew you were an OG, but never imagined you were around 98 years ago during the Revolucion. Impressive! :)

"What we've got here is a failure to communicate."

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Peter

Nov 20, 2010, 12:53 PM

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If you think things are bad now, think back 98 years to the Revolution (civil war).
Those were really scary times.

Rolly, I knew you were an OG, but never imagined you were around 98 years ago during the Revolucion. Impressive! :)

OK, now we get it straight from Rolly. I had heard rumors he was either boatswain's mate on Noah's Ark or a mess cook at the Last Supper. That shows how reliable rumors usually are

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Hound Dog

Nov 20, 2010, 2:46 PM

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There were crimes but no cartels in Ajijic 10 years ago and that is a big difference. A year and a half ago someone I know was offered the job as chief of police of Tlajamulco and turned it down as according to him it was narco territory. He told me at the time Ajijic did not have problems with narcs onlt delinquince from gangs. Things have changed a lot since last year and there was very little problems 10 years ago.
Locals are very upset about what is happening and are afraid the economy in the village will go down the drain if many foreigners leave. They are afraid for their jobs and afraid because of the insecurity. Today alone two locals who live in the 6 Esquinas area told me about it. Every day you can hear a new story. This was not happening 9 or 10 years ago.
Ten years ago bodies of locals were not found in small pieces in suitcases or garbage bags.

Vichil

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Rolly

Nov 20, 2010, 3:43 PM

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he was either boatswain's mate on Noah's Ark or a mess cook at the Last Supper
And who says it couldn't be both. I come from a family noted for very long lives,
except maybe my nephew, Methuselah, who died young.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program. [end hijack]

Rolly Pirate

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Jerry@Ajijic

Nov 20, 2010, 6:48 PM

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It begins to sound like Prohibition times in the US. It is important to remember that people also lived through those dangerous times.

lamur

Nov 21, 2010, 9:34 AM

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At least..most of 'em.

mexliving

Nov 24, 2010, 6:39 PM

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the wages in mexico are horrible.... mexico needs to open their eyes and adjust the wages. a chilis waiter gets 7.00 pesos per hour plus tips....... what kind of wages are those.... it opens up any employee in any industry to accept brives ..... mexico's economy is not a third world economy but their wages are!!!!!! nafta ????????? the wealthy business owners control the wages and add to the problem. when a police officer in mexico city earns less then 7,000 pesos per month.... off cource they are going to find ways to take care of their families......

Peter

Nov 24, 2010, 11:54 PM

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a chilis waiter gets 7.00 pesos per hour plus tips....... what kind of wages are those

It is not unusual for wait staff in a restaurant to make a low hourly wage along with their tips. What kind of wages are those? Tips made in a busy restaurant can amount to quite a bit.

wendy devlin

Nov 25, 2010, 8:39 AM

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Our daughter who is fluent in Spanish worked in one of Colima's most popular large seafood restaurants, for six weeks around Semana Santa, about eight years ago.

As a temporary employee, she received an hourly wage of about 80 cents(U.S.) an hour. Being young, pretty and also foreign she received plenty of tips, which in theory, could have greatly augmented her small income.

However the waitresses were fully expected to deposit their tips in the propina jar at the bar.

At the end of the shift, the tip jar was divided up between all the kitchen, cleaning and bar-tending staff. That greatly reduced her share of the money, she earned through her individual efforts. Although wait staff probably go to lengths to hide their tips, the bar staff and other waitresses watch each other like hawks, to make sure they get a share of the perceived amount of tips that other staff receive.

Every day end, the bedecked and bejewelled owner of the restaurant(heiress of the family fortune) could be seen at a table, counting the daily take at the till.

The restaurant was hugely profitable but there was little trickle down effect to the many employees. Plus seasonal employees did not benefit from any Mexican labor laws.

Peter

Nov 25, 2010, 10:01 AM

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I've worked plenty of menial jobs with sub-standard pay before getting into a career path that let me retire. Perhaps low pay helps keep family members close, living together, and inter-dependent. Everyone wants more money for their efforts, the wealthy or well-off seldom seem to say they have more than they need want to share their wealth.

How much is good pay? And does it ever seem to satisfy or is there just an ever-increasing need for more? I too wish everyone had financial security but that just somehow seem to be possible or fair. While I seem to get a lot of mileage out of a dollar there are many who have many times the wealth I have and it is just not enough for them. If you eat and have shelter and can enjoy an occasional luxury, what more is wanted?

If everyone had plenty of money then everyone would be happy. Yeah, right!

right click

Nov 25, 2010, 3:05 PM

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Jobs such as waitstaff are GOOD jobs for Nationals; and they don't complain like you and your fair-haired offspring. Did your darling daughter have the proper work permit??? I am rarely still surprised by the greed expressed by Anglos, but your post takes the proverbial cake. You and your progeny should be reported to Hacienda.

wendy devlin

Nov 25, 2010, 3:43 PM

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Ja! Jaaaaaaaaaaa! Don't you just love it when someone that doesn't know another person from Adam...or Eve.

Can't resist offering a condemnation of them. And their perceived circumstances.

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arbon

Nov 26, 2010, 3:17 PM

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Any kind of help in a PLAYA restaurant is welcome in Mexico at Semana Santa, if you but really knew Mexico.

(just to do a blood relative a favour, Eh.)
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