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Hound Dog

Sep 28, 2010, 10:55 AM

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After I posted the above comments about phony crusades mounted by local cops in Jalisco, I remembered a cartoon in Guadalajara´s MURAL in about 2004 just after the cops started their local seat belt campaign during which they had resolved to fine anyone not buckled up and had announced that campaign with great fanfair. In the cartoon, a driver who was obviously highly intoxicated and totally impaired by alcohol and whose car was filled with just emptied booze bottles had been pulled over by a transit cop and the cop was standing there gazing into the window of this obviously inebriated driver and declaring:

"Sir, do you realize that you are not wearing your seatbelt?"

!Batta- Bing!


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Hound Dog

Sep 28, 2010, 11:19 AM

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I have, upon reflection, come up with a new solution to the Jalisco traffic cops´ crusade to refill the free lunch coffers during the drunk driving campaign in short order. All they need to do is station cordons of cops along the Jocotepec-Ajijic Carretera on any Sunday afternoon just east of Piedra Barrenada at about 4:00PM and stop every car that exists any restaurant along the strip. All drivers will be intoxicated and all can be thrown immediately in jail. Perhaps the police should set up encampments along the carretera in which to hold law violators in tent cities until they have paid hefty fines. Wait, you say! If they do that they will arrest half the crooked politicians and their slimy friends from every town of any significance in Metropolitan Guadalajara. Then all the cops and the police chief will be fired or maybe even disappear. So much for that idea.


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chinagringo


Sep 28, 2010, 11:25 AM

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Dawg:

If you were to fully read my original and subsequent posts, no where in any of them did I state that the implementation or enforcement would be deemed effective by any typical social norms. I also didn't state that mordida would not come into play since I am fully aware of the preponderance of this activity. By the way, I believe you started by questioning the existence of such a law and now have cleverly turned the discussion on to other factors.

And I too can tell far too many stories of past transgressions while under the influence of alcohol! But, I have found that things are certainly changing in that area. You mention Espanola, Taos and Santa Fe. Hell, New Mexico had drive up windows for liquor by the drink until 1998. In our current times, they are very serious with very harsh penalties - mandatory sentencing, installation of ignition interlocks for first conviction, sizable fines, etc. Now we have judges, cops, politicians, firemen, city leaders all being arrested. I personally will not drive, even after 1/2 a drink and when we go out for dinner, I remain "dry" while Kathy may have a drink or glass of wine.

That said, I am guilty of bending those rules when traveling in Mexico. Go figure!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



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Peter


Sep 28, 2010, 12:08 PM

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I am very cognizant of the limitations placed upon my total package of Mexico knowledge by being Espanol challenged and not being able to live amongst the Mexican community! The best that I can accomplish is attempt to build my knowledge base by not only following the local news out of areas of interest but also admitting to my limitations by asking questions.


Chinagringo -

You are not the one I was expecting to answer me on this. In no way was that shoe custom-made for you. However, if you think it fits you are welcome to wear it.


don pedro


Sep 28, 2010, 5:11 PM

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one of these days john , you will realize, that us ferners are a mere pimple here on the shores of el lago. you would realize it now if you got out more and saw some of the weekend homes the tapatios are building here.
i will shortly be doing a foto journal thingy on it so you don't have to bother seeing it fer yer self actually.
little hint fer ya - those condos above the 7/11 from the monte carlo were sold out to tapatios instantly fer 2,000,000 mp+-SNORK!
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naivete is a chronIc disease and by its very nature;the afflicted never know they have it.-SNORK!


Hound Dog

Sep 28, 2010, 6:39 PM

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You mention Espanola, Taos and Santa Fe. Hell, New Mexico had drive up windows for liquor by the drink until 1998.

¡Oh My God, Neil!

Does this mean that Keith Overmeyer´s Drive-Up Liquor and Corn Dawg Emporium at Pojoaque on the turn off to Los Alamos has been closed since Dawg haunted those parts in the 1980s? How will I negotiate that drive from Santa Fe to Taos ever again without a pint of tequila and a couple of corn dogs? Life´s a bitch and then you die.

By the way; Overmeyer´s liquor and wine store at Pojoaque was, all joking aside, one of the top wine stores if not the top wine store in New Mexico in the 1980s since that store serviced all the nutball scientists from Los Alamos as it was the nearest wine store to the reservation. Talk about an interesting clientele.


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chinagringo


Sep 28, 2010, 6:50 PM

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Yes but you now have a choice of 3, count them three casinos within minutes of Pojoaque! The largest of which is:

http://www.buffalothunderresort.com/
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Vichil

Sep 29, 2010, 8:19 AM

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How sad. I was planning to go back this summer to check what had become of el Nido, Pojoaque, Nambe. Chimayo and so on these wonderful pictures helped me make up my mind; trip cancelled.
You just cannot go back!


johninajijic

Sep 29, 2010, 10:00 AM

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one of these days john , you will realize, that us ferners are a mere pimple here on the shores of el lago. you would realize it now if you got out more and saw some of the weekend homes the tapatios are building here.
i will shortly be doing a foto journal thingy on it so you don't have to bother seeing it fer yer self actually.
little hint fer ya - those condos above the 7/11 from the monte carlo were sold out to tapatios instantly fer 2,000,000 mp+-SNORK!


pedro - I'll look forward to seeing your photos of what the tapatios are building. I doubt it will equal the quantity of houses being built in Ajijic by developers for the NorteAmericanos.

Oh and those condos you speak of bought by the tapatios, ask if they checked out the land to see if it was stable enough to keep them from moving. Maybe we'll see one on the Carretera some day during a year of heavy rain. Or they will develop unfixable 1/2 inch wide cracks due to unstable soil like much of Chapala is made up of.


Hound Dog

Sep 29, 2010, 11:29 AM

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those condos above the 7/11 from the monte carlo were sold out to tapatios instantly fer 2,000,000 mp+-SNORK!


|BULLSHIT!


Gringal

Sep 29, 2010, 12:49 PM

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Hate to rain on either of youse guys lovefest (snork and b.s.) but does anyone have the verifiable facts or are you both just playing bellyball?


don pedro


Sep 29, 2010, 2:43 PM

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whoops,mi malo. it's the fancier units[8] near the top of the hill that are 2 mil pesos. the 7-11 are only 1.6 mil pesos.
and john i guess i must be seeing a mirage when i look up the hillsides of chapala and see hundreds of houses there, a great number of which have been there waaaaay longer than your gully dwelling. poor soil indeed-SNORK!
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chinagringo


Sep 29, 2010, 5:42 PM

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John:

Why not come right out and say what you are probably thinking? Everything in Ajijic, including the soil, is superior to anything found in Chapala. Besides only Gringos will receive quality construction because they are naturally smarter than the Tapatios thus assuring higher standards.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



chinagringo


Oct 7, 2010, 6:49 AM

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Just for the Dawg's benefit - the first "marketing report" has come out on the effectiveness of the new Ley Antiborrachos. It reports a reduction of alcohol related driving deaths from 17 in September of 2009 to 1 in September of 2010. At the bottom of the article, statistics are provided:

http://www.informador.com.mx/...ey-antiborrachos.htm
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Hound Dog

Oct 7, 2010, 2:27 PM

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Just for the Dawg's benefit - the first "marketing report" has come out on the effectiveness of the new Ley Antiborrachos. It reports a reduction of alcohol related driving deaths from 17 in September of 2009 to 1 in September of 2010. At the bottom of the article, statistics are provided:

Very funny, Neil:

Of course the reasons for traffic deaths related to drunken driving were reduced from 17 in September,2009 to one in September, 2010. That was an administrative decision and not only resulted in less traffic deaths due to drunk driving but dramatically increased the mordida receipts in the latter month which, as you know, are not subject to public scrutiny. The ludicrous drop in drunk driving related deaths from September 2009 to 2010 should give any thinking person cause for reflection.

I am reminded of one of my all-time favorite movies from the 1970s, the French movie Les Ripoux starring the great French actor Philippe Noiret which was the story of an old, experienced and corrupt cop in one of Paris´seedier neighborhoods who was assigned a new partner who was a wet-behind-the-ears rookie and was replacing his old, seasoned, partner who had been caught dealing drugs and had just been sent off to the hoosegow. The first day on the job, the new rookie partner went out on street patrol and returned to the precinct house at mid-day proudly towing a purse snatcher and his victim prepared to have the purse snatcher charged with a crime. Noiret at first nonplussed, recovered and the following conversation ensued:
Noiret to Victim: Madame, is this your purse and, if so, are all of your belongings intact?
Victim: Yes officer it is and all of my belongings are in there.
Noiret: Well, I am pleased to inform you that this purse that you lost in the street earlier today has been found by this Good Samaritan gentleman who has been kind enough to return the purse here to the station house. Thank God there are still kind souls in Paris who care enough about others to go to the trouble to come to the aid of their fellow citizens in distress. Don´t you agree?
Victim: Why, yes, officer.
Noiret: Well you may be on your way and you as well dear sir. We of the Paris Police cannot thank you enough for your incredible act of kindness.
Rookie: But, but....
Noiret (taking Rookie aside): Imbecile! Moron! Don´t you know the new police commissioner who just took office last month has vowed publicy to clean up this neighborhood with an emphasis on fighting street crime? In fact, he has committed to drive down street crime in this part of Paris by at least 50% in his first quarter and here you are, your first day on patrol and you set out to make him look the fool.


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Peter


Oct 7, 2010, 7:35 PM

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Ostrich Gringo motto as expressed by the Chapala Police Chief:
“In Mexican culture, the less we identify problems, the more we live in peace.”


I like your signature quote. Without putting a label on it the quote speaks well for itself. We're really only as happy as we permit ourselves to be. Few things really require intense scrutiny anyway, and the fewer the better. What the hell, I'm retired. My only job now is to enjoy life. Identifying problems is no longer part of my job description.


bournemouth

Oct 7, 2010, 7:52 PM

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I have to say that the quote appears to be more of an ostrich Mexican motto - no?


Vichil

Oct 8, 2010, 5:29 AM

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Since it comes from a Mexican point of view , I would have to agree with you Bournemouth but it is so much more fun picking on the expats and feel superior because you read the papers...


arbon

Oct 8, 2010, 7:33 AM

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Identifying problems is no longer part of my job description."

If identifying problems was/were part of your job description when you were working, you would know that the problems did not go away.

But you also realize that many, many, people were not aware of the problems where you came from, or where you are now.

¿Is it part of the Chapala Police Chiefs job description to know the crimes reported to the "Ministerio Público"?
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chinagringo


Oct 8, 2010, 7:39 AM

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Vichil and Bournemouth - You are both taking a tongue-in-cheek social comment far too seriously! As humans, we all have flaws and failings and we should be able to laugh at such. It has nothing to do with a superiority complex since I am fully aware of my knowledge limitations when it comes to Mexico. Through the years, I have certainly been guilty of taking the "Ostrich approach" and just because of dumb luck, I have not had to "pay the piper".
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Hound Dog

Oct 8, 2010, 8:35 AM

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“In Mexican culture, the less we identify problems, the more we live in peace.” - Mexican Police Chief

Actually, I think the police chief was shining on the foreigners after becoming sick of their obstinate bitching. We have found, in Chiapas, that locals in our community do not depend on statistics from official agencies that are suspect anyway but on the community street scuttlebutt and we presume the same is true at Lakeside. This makes sense after 400 plus years of oppression and corruption and the need for local community groups to fend for themselves rather than call in crooked police forces or municipal authorities.

When we first moved to Lake Chapala in 2001, The Weather Channel had a very active and quite sophisticated weather forecasting feature on Mexico and all of Latin America. The channel was well done and entertaining but The Weather Channel discontinued at least that part of the show broadcast into the Lake Chapala area about a year or so later. It seems there was a total lack of interest on the part of locals in what they could expect in weather developments in the future. It also seems that The Weather Channel took weather prognosticating seriously and had serious minded , often male, anchors delivering the good or bad news. Today, in both Jalisco and Chiapas, when we turn on our local cable news shows, we get the weather reports from Guadalajara or Tuxtla Gutierrez which cover both states respectively and the country as well. The difference is that in both Guadalajara and Tuxtla Gutierrez the weather forecast is at best shallow and perfunctory and normally delivered by drop dead gorgeous broads in mini-skirts, low-cut blouses and stilleto heels standing before the green board with that pointer and shaking that old T&A. The problem seems to be that The Weather Channel did not understand its market. After all, the stoical Mexican might say; why the hell do I need to know what is going to happen when nothing ever (usually) happens in this benign climate anyway and there is nothing I can do about it in the first place. Now, five minutes of T&A is another matter and it really doesn´t matter what she says or points at as long as she realizes "it´s not the meat but the motion" that matters.

I am reminded of when we first moved to the Jovel Valley (San Cristóbal de Las Casas) in 2006 and found ourselves in a cool high mountain valley adjacent to a hot low-altitude plain (Tuxtla Gutierrez). We thought that might be an inviting climate for tornadoes and asked locals if tornadoes ever occurred there. They replied that, yes, there used to be quite serious and destructive tornado activity in the valley but that they had developed a corps of local machete experts who are called upon whenever a tornado is spotted approaching and the machete squad chases the tornadoes and cuts them to pieces with their machetes so we should not fret about such things. Loacls are quite proud of this achievement.

Getting back to Lake Chapala. When we first moved here in 2001, we asked our Mexican contractor what we should do to prevent home break-ins at our place and he replied; "In Mexico, if we want to break into your house, we´ll break into your house no matter what you do." So, we figured the best solution was to take the proper measures to make our home less attractive than those of our neighbors since Mexican burglars, like burglars everywhere, will normally opt for the most inviting targets. Remember that old bear joke where two hunters were hunting in the north woods and suddenly came upon a grizzly? As the grizzly charged toward them, one hunter dropped to his knees and started putting on his running shoes. The other hunter, incredulous, yelled, "Are you crazy, you can´t out run a grizzly!". The other hunter replied, "I don´t have to outrun the grizzly, I just have to outrun you."


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Peter


Oct 8, 2010, 8:39 AM

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If identifying problems was/were part of your job description when you were working, you would know that the problems did not go away.


Identifying problems and potential problems, reporting these problems and correcting those that I could correct myself were parts of my job description. Making them go away or, better, to not appear in the first place was the objective.

Staying a jump ahead of Murphy's Law is part of my character. Identifying those problems can be very annoying to many people. Knowing them but keeping them to myself helps ensure some tranquility. More than a time or two I have been told, "OK, you're right, but let it go already." I have a new job now - being happy.

Perhaps the police chief is aware of the problems in his jurisdiction, deals with them, but finds the community is more peaceful if they are not reminded of those problems. Keeping the peace is part of his job description.


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ajijicbob

Oct 8, 2010, 2:29 PM

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I had a very serious talk about drinking and driving with Bob a few years ago and his opinion made a lot of sense. His reasoning was you shouldn’t drink and drive because you might spill some.

ajijicbob


Georgia


Oct 10, 2010, 2:07 PM

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I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand why, if you find your friends are alcohol impaired, you don't offer to drive them home yourself? Certainly that would be teh charitable thing to do, no?


Peter


Oct 10, 2010, 3:45 PM

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I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand why, if you find your friends are alcohol impaired, you don't offer to drive them home yourself? Certainly that would be teh charitable thing to do, no?

Geez, such a clear-thinking response. You are absolutely right. Where around Lakeside would be so far out of the way that the inconvenience should be put ahead of their friends' safety?

It only took 48 responses for someone to come up with that.(?)
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