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jAGUAR

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Mexicana AIRLINES.. heart attack

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On my Mexicana flight last week, a young guy died on the floor. they had no automatic defib
equipment,which I believe is standard now on US planes (?}. They did basic cpr, tried their best but they had no idea about modern technology, I saw after 5 minutes it was was hopeless, but they did this for 30 minutes!!
Then when they landed a bunch of ambulance guys in hard hats stood around for 20 minutes on the ground, then came on and tried the same technique!! Then we waited for hours while they debated what to do with the body. Please, Mexicana, update your medical stategies.
I've always recognised the planes are kind of rinky dink, but this was a worry.......

Andy in the Ozarks

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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AED's CPR, etc.

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In the original post I noticed that "they" did CPR, and "they" did it for 30 minutes. If you have enough knowledge to evaluate their performance, why weren't you in there helping. Learn it and DO IT. The comment about not many making it even with early defib. is wrong. A new study said 67% that get early defib in the first 4 to 5 minutes will survive. You also said he was a young guy, which even increases his chances if they had an AED. I am not a CPR insturctor, I'm a CPR USER. I've been a fire fighter for over 25 years and have several AED saves, I carry one in my vehicle. They still cost too much, but they are worth every penny if you are the guy that wakes up with the pads stuck to your chest.
: On my Mexicana flight last week, a young guy died on the floor. they had no automatic defib
: equipment,which I believe is standard now on US planes (?}. They did basic cpr, tried their best but they had no idea about modern technology, I saw after 5 minutes it was was hopeless, but they did this for 30 minutes!!
: Then when they landed a bunch of ambulance guys in hard hats stood around for 20 minutes on the ground, then came on and tried the same technique!! Then we waited for hours while they debated what to do with the body. Please, Mexicana, update your medical stategies.
: I've always recognised the planes are kind of rinky dink, but this was a worry.......

Andy in the Ozarks

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Do you have a favorite type?Yes I do.

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We use the Heartstream Fore-Runner. It is easy to use, all voice prompted, tough as nails and has never failed. It is also bi-phasic which means less power needed, less damage. Yes they do cause some damage but the alternative really sucks. They now have implanted defib units just like a pacemaker. He might be a candidate for that. Good luck, Andy: We have been thinking of getting one for my FIL. He has heart disease and a long history of heart problems in the family. It seems to be fairly easy to use from what we have read. I also read that the adhesives are really nasty but worth it to save a life.

Liz

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Do you have a favorite type?

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We have been thinking of getting one for my FIL. He has heart disease and a long history of heart problems in the family. It seems to be fairly easy to use from what we have read. I also read that the adhesives are really nasty but worth it to save a life.

Maria LPN

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Even with a defib unit.........

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Modern technology is swell but....not many people make it even with that device. But......miracles happen. Sorry you experienced a death like this. It must have been difficult. It is the most hopeless feeling.

Liz

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Thanks Andy

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My in-laws spend every summer at 10,000 feet in the Uintah Mountains in Wyoming. Medical help is very far away. I think it might give my mother-in-law peace of mind.

FYI

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Mexicana AIRLINES.. heart attack

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No, a defibrillator is no a standard equipment in all US airlines yet.Who told you 5 minutes is the time CPR must be performed? In Emergency Rooms or Hospitals they even try to save a person's life for more than 30 minutes. When your turn comes, might be just now, I hope you will only get your 5 minutes.Is there "basic" and "advanced" CPR?Not having a defibrillator at hand means that "they had no idea about modern technology"?Mexicana's airplanes rinky dink? They are Airbus 320 made in France, and they are the newest fleet currently in the world.

DST

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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They did the right things

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sounds to me like their response was reasonable and correct.
i have ONLY flown Mexicana to and within Mexico, and i've never been on a rinky-dink plane. The planes, the service, and the actual flight experience has been superior to that on the the US airlines I've flown. : On my Mexicana flight last week, a young guy died on the floor. they had no automatic defib
: equipment,which I believe is standard now on US planes (?}. They did basic cpr, tried their best but they had no idea about modern technology, I saw after 5 minutes it was was hopeless, but they did this for 30 minutes!!
: Then when they landed a bunch of ambulance guys in hard hats stood around for 20 minutes on the ground, then came on and tried the same technique!! Then we waited for hours while they debated what to do with the body. Please, Mexicana, update your medical stategies.
: I've always recognised the planes are kind of rinky dink, but this was a worry.......

Laetana

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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I agree with you. I know nothing about CPR or how long a person should get what, but the fact that they tried for the longest and got more help only showed that they really cared. One other thing, I have travelled extensively on different airlines, and let me reinforce that Mexicana de Aviacion offers by far, one of the best service and comfort, way above any american airline!------------------------------------------------: No, a defibrillator is no a standard equipment in all US airlines yet.: Who told you 5 minutes is the time CPR must be performed? In Emergency Rooms or Hospitals they even try to save a person's life for more than 30 minutes. When your turn comes, might be just now, I hope you will only get your 5 minutes.: Is there "basic" and "advanced" CPR?: Not having a defibrillator at hand means that "they had no idea about modern technology"?: Mexicana's airplanes rinky dink? They are Airbus 320 made in France, and they are the newest fleet currently in the world.

WayneS

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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A CPR instructor I knew was a medic in Vietnam, and applied CPR to one soldier for six hours. He lived, and still sends the guy a bottle of whiskey every Christmas.

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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"jAGUAR" write:
"On my Mexicana flight last week, a young guy died on the floor. they had no automatic defib equipment,which I believe is standard now on US planes (?}."
========They're not, at least yet. The effective date for the legislatively mandated FAA regulations requiring air carrier operators to carry Automated External Defibrillators (AEDs) and expanded medical kits on large passenger aircraft is May 12, 2004.-------"jAGUAR" further writes:
"They did basic cpr, tried their best but they had no idea about modern technology, I saw after 5 minutes it was was hopeless, but they did this for 30 minutes!!"
=======Have you done your part by attending and passing a CPR course of some type? If so you might recall that the instruction is to continue performing CPR until you are no longer capable of doing so or more skilled medical personnel arrive on the scene. Even if the person is in cardiac arrest, the combination of CPR and rescue breathing provides some degree of oxygenated blood flow to the brain, rendering the "3 minutes to brain damage, 6 minutes to brain death" chestnut non-applicable.Technology is nice, but basic knowledge and skills is even better.

Nov 30, 1919, 12:00 AM

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Excellent! A lesson to be learned....TAKE A CPR COURSE!!!
: A CPR instructor I knew was a medic in Vietnam, and applied CPR to one soldier for six hours. He lived, and still sends the guy a bottle of whiskey every Christmas.