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Aug 26, 2010, 6:10 PM

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Two new warden messages concerning the grenades going off at a cheladas Bar in PV. It is interesting that the US consulate has a very different option about the event than the Governor of Jalisco that said it was an “accident”

United States Consulate General Guadalajara

PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT TO

AS MANY AMERICAN CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE

SUBJECT: PUERTO VALLARTA INCIDENT

Date: August 26, 2010


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Guadalajara Warden Message


Yesterday, August 25, 2010, at approximately midnight, a hand grenade went off at a bar popular with locals in a residential area near, but outside of the main tourist district of Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Information indicates this incident might be related to local drug rivalries. Several persons are reported to have serious injuries. Similar events in the past have been quickly followed by retaliatory events.
The Consulate General strongly encourages U.S. residents and travelers Mexico to refer to the personal safety practices contained in the Travel Warning for Mexico dated July 16. Security updates are also available on the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City’s website at http://mexico.usembassy.gov/...oSecurityUpdate.html.
For the latest security information, U.S. citizens living and traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department’s Bureau of Consular Affairs internet web site at http://travel.state.gov, where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Alerts, Travel Warnings, and health-information resources can be found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the United States and Canada or, for callers in other areas by calling a regular toll line at 1-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays).
The U.S. Consulate General in Guadalajara is located at 175 Progreso Street; Col. Americana, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. The U.S. Consulate General in Guadalajara’s telephone number is 011 52 33 3268 2100; the fax number is 011 52 33 3825 1951. For after-hours emergencies, please call 011 52 33 3268 2145.
The U.S. Consular Agency in Puerto Vallarta is located at: Paseo de los Cocoteros No.85 Sur, Paradise Plaza, Interior Local L-7, Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit. Paseo de los Cocoteros #85
Sur Paradise Plaza
Interior Local L-7
Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit
C.P. 63732The U.S. Consular Agency in Puerto Vallarta’s telephone numbers are 011 52 322 222 0069 & 011 52 322 223 3301; the fax number is 011 52 322 223 0074. For after-hours emergencies, please call 011 52 33 3268 2145.

United States Consulate General Guadalajara

PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT TO

AS MANY AMERICAN CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE

SUBJECT: PUERTO VALLARTA INCIDENT #2

Date: August 26, 2010


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Guadalajara Warden Message


Earlier today the Consulate General sent a warden message which stated:
Yesterday, August 25, 2010, at approximately midnight, a hand grenade went off at a bar popular with locals in a residential area near, but outside of the main tourist district of Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Information indicates this incident might be related to local drug rivalries. Several persons are reported to have serious injuries. Similar events in the past have been quickly followed by retaliatory events.
In reference to that warden message, the Consulate General now has specific, credible information that the subject locations of retaliation in Puerto Vallarta may be either La Vaquita Grill located at Lazaro Cardenas #567, 48290. El Pitillal, Puerto Vallarta, or the Mandala near the corner of Central and Margarita Maza de Juarez.
The Consulate General strongly encourages U.S. residents and travelers Mexico to refer to the personal safety practices contained in the Travel Warning for Mexico dated July 16. Security updates are also available on the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City’s website at http://mexico.usembassy.gov/...oSecurityUpdate.html.
For the latest security information, U.S. citizens living and traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department’s Bureau of Consular Affairs internet web site at http://travel.state.gov, where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Alerts, Travel Warnings, and health-information resources can be found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the United States and Canada or, for callers in other areas by calling a regular toll line at 1-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays).
The U.S. Consulate General in Guadalajara is located at 175 Progreso Street; Col. Americana, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. The U.S. Consulate General in Guadalajara’s telephone number is 011 52 33 3268 2100; the fax number is 011 52 33 3825 1951. For after-hours emergencies, please call 011 52 33 3268 2145.
The U.S. Consular Agency in Puerto Vallarta is located at: Paseo de los Cocoteros No.85 Sur, Paradise Plaza, Interior Local L-7, Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit. Paseo de los Cocoteros #85; Sur Paradise Plaza, Interior Local L-7, Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit. The U.S. Consular Agency in Puerto Vallarta’s telephone numbers are 011 52 322 222 0069 & 011 52 322 223 3301; the fax number is 011 52 322 223 0074. For after-hours emergencies, please call 011 52 33 3268 2145.
END OF TEXT.
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U.S. Consulate General Guadalajara

175 Progreso Street; Col. Americana

Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico

011 52 33 3268 2100

http://guadalajara.usconsulate.gov/

The Consulate office hours are Monday through Friday

from 08:00 a.m. to 04:30 p.m. (except from Mexican and U.S. holidays)




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Rolly


Aug 26, 2010, 7:38 PM

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It's now being reported that some guys were playing with a grenade when it went off injuring them.

Rolly Pirate


arbon

Aug 26, 2010, 8:23 PM

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"It's now being reported that some guys were playing with a grenade when it went off injuring them."

That was ONE of the first stories at 8:00 am today.
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yucatandreamer


Aug 27, 2010, 7:15 AM

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I think that I might want to stay out of bars where the patrons play with grenades.


arbon

Aug 27, 2010, 7:41 AM

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http://www.borderlandbeat.com/...can-resort-city.html

The press reported that a grenade was used in the attack, but the police spokesmen said investigators had not yet determined whether the assailants used a grenade or a Molotov cocktail.

The army and navy are trying to identify the type of weapon used in the attack in Puerto Vallarta, which is in Jalisco state.

The assailants threw the bomb “inside the bar” and “it exploded nearly in the middle” of the establishment, police department spokesmen said.

Five bomb threats had been received this year by different establishments in Puerto Vallarta, with the latest coming early Saturday, but no attacks had taken place.

No threats were received at the Pink Cheladas bar before the attack, police said.
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JRinPV

Aug 27, 2010, 8:28 AM

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Truly amazing how much totally incorrect reporting, the US Embassy included.
The manager of the bar has already stated that he saw the group at the table playing with, what he thought, was a toy grenade. These drunken idiots, probably in some show of Machismo, pulled the pin and the accidently dropped the bloody thing.
No attack, no one threw anything.
Might be a good idea if the US helped stopping things, like grenades, being transported into Mexico, instead of jumping on an accident by a group of drunken 20 year olds. BTW they were the ones who got the most damage.


arbon

Aug 27, 2010, 9:14 AM

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"Truly amazing how much totally incorrect reporting, the US Embassy included.
The manager of the bar has already stated that he saw the group at the table playing with, what he thought, was a toy grenade. These drunken idiots, probably in some show of Machismo, pulled the pin and the accidently dropped the bloody thing.
No attack, no one threw anything.
Might be a good idea if the US helped stopping things, like grenades, being transported into Mexico, instead of jumping on an accident by a group of drunken 20 year olds. BTW they were the ones who got the most damage."

So JRinPV do you have a link to the "Correct Report" ? ..............or is this just more PRinPV.
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Brian

Aug 27, 2010, 9:21 AM

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Your description makes it sound like just some immature/drunken fun. What were they doing with a grenade in the first place? Car bombs occasionally go off by mistake killing the driver and not being delivered to the intended location. That doesn't mean that the driver was engaging in some sort of game. How is this different?. I believe these guys were up to no good. Too bad they weren't the only ones inside the bar.


JRinPV

Aug 27, 2010, 9:24 AM

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immature/drunken - you that right, there's a lot of 20 year olds around with a brick short. The biggest question is where did they get a live grenade ?
Only the Army and the Narcos have them and, I'm guessing it wasn't the army !


JRinPV

Aug 27, 2010, 9:27 AM

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So JRinPV do you have a link to the "Correct Report" ? ..............or is this just more PRinPV.

Reported locally by the chief of police, after eyewitness interviews.
I don't watch TV, don't have one.


chinagringo


Aug 27, 2010, 12:15 PM

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Given the number of weapons that the United States, Mexico's southern neighbors and Asia have furnished to various criminal groups in Mexico, it is amazing that more of these weapons have not found their way into the hands of Mexico's youth. Simply take a look at how fascinated the youth of the US have become with carrying weapons around for the "macho" factor. Granted possessing a grenade as opposed to having a pistol in ones waistband or pocket has more serious consequences to more people but the fascination remains the same.

The US Consulate's warning can be viewed as no more than "spin" in an attempt to control the fallout!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



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Casa

Aug 27, 2010, 1:16 PM

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Premature, the recommendation of the U.S. Consulate says Jalisco State Attorney

Tomas Coronado Olmos denied that there will be reprisals from drug trafficking groups in Puerto Vallarta after the explosion of a grenade, insists that the explosion was an accident and therefore considers premature (rushed) the recommendations issued by the U.S. consulate.

Full story in Spanish here


JRinPV

Aug 28, 2010, 10:45 AM

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In other words the US Consulate dropped the ball.

Again !


Casa

Aug 28, 2010, 2:27 PM

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In other words the US Consulate dropped the ball.

Again !

I did not say that.

Who really knows what the real or true story is? Perhaps the US Consulate has good intel that the Mexicans do not or the Mexicans do not want to admit it due to the bad publicity it may cause in a tourist area.

Regardless IMHO it speaks volumes about the current situation in Mexico in general when people are taking grenades into bars and clubs “for fun” and not to “hurt” anyone. It’s even scarier that this is seen as almost normal or acceptable because they did not mean to hurt anyone, it was an “accident.”

If the grenade goes off by “accident” or intentionally, then end result is the same, injuries and or murders. Personally I do not see the warden message from the US consulate as being out of line and am glad to see the Consulate taking an interest in this "accident" and informing the expat community.


Was the grenade that went off in September of 2008 in the main plaza in Michoacán and “accident” too? There seem to be lots and lots of “accidents” in Mexico lately.


JRinPV

Aug 28, 2010, 3:38 PM

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Ignorance Is Bliss !


arbon

Aug 28, 2010, 4:05 PM

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Ignorance Is Bliss ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I have no explanation for why Mexico is singled out for this type of negative news coverage".

Quote.....freeeye Site Admin (Puerto Vallarta Scene)

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esperanza

Aug 29, 2010, 1:55 PM

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According to a report in yesterday's La Voz de Michoacán, the young men who detonated the grenade were involved in organized crime.

ARCHIVO, LA VOZ DE MICHOACÁN

Guadalajara, Jal.- Los cinco sujetos detenidos y que se encuentran graves por la explosión de una granada de fragmentación
en un bar de Puerto Vallarta los primeros minutos del jueves, están relacionados con la delincuencia organizada.
Al avanzar las indagatorias, agentes de la Procuraduría General de la República (PGR) y de la Procuraduría General de Justicia del estado de Jalisco (PGJeJ), reportaron que los sujetos a los que Autores de granadazo, de la delincuencia organizada
accidentalmente se les detonó el artefacto explosivo en el interior del negocio denominado “Pink cheladas” en el barrio de el Pitillal, a unos kilómetros de la zona turística de este municipio, serían parte de una célula de distribuidores de drogas al servicio del cártel de Sinaloa. Los detenidos con heridas graves son Edgar Alejandro Araiza Vargas, de 23 años; Francisco
Daniel Martínez Joya, de 20; Juan Luis Vargas Guzmán, de 35 años; Orlando o Arnoldo Langarica García, de 30 años, y
Jaime alonso Mora Gutiérrez,también de 30 años. Los dos últimos con amputación en piernas.
No obstante, debido a que no se encontraban en condiciones de declarar, aún no es identificado el líder del grupo. el hospital en el que se recuperan sigue bajo resguardo de elementos del ejército. Entre tanto, de los otros 11 lesionados, al menos cinco ya fueron dados de alta.



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chinagringo


Aug 29, 2010, 2:36 PM

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Apparently, there are some in PV who prefer to deny ANY organized crime connection but one has to question just what these fools were doing with a live grenade? This incident should make one stop and think about just how many of these indiscriminate weapons there are in possession of these groups. It seems that we are seeing more and more reports of their use. One has to wonder just how many vehicles along side during a normal drive have same either in the passenger compartment or trunks and could accidentally explode?
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



JRinPV

Aug 30, 2010, 7:34 AM

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Of course they were associated with a cartel, how else would they get a grenade ? But the reports that it was an attack, The Consul said

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Information indicates this incident might be related to local drug rivalries.

was wrong. There're no cartel battles going on here.
This was a stupid accident.
I suppose you have better intel in New Mexico ?


chinagringo


Aug 30, 2010, 8:14 AM

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JR:
I don't believe that I said or even indicated that it was a cartel battle or any such thing. There is no question that the U.S. State Dept. through the Consulate in Guadalajara is guilty of a rush to judgment by assuming that this was similar to other incidents around Mexico!

Rather, my point was that given the number of weapons of various types that have made their way into MX, one simply has no way of knowing just how close they may be to a potentially explosive situation at any given time and place. I would guess that the cartels may have a vested interest in keeping the violence down in PV given their reported/speculated investments in hotels, restaurants, bars and other businesses.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



JRinPV

Aug 30, 2010, 8:42 AM

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Exactly, there been an awful lot of building in town, in the face of the world wide financial crisis, fancy dance clubs on the Malecón and far more condos than we'll ever need !
 
 
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