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norteño

Jul 29, 2010, 5:17 PM

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Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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Posted on the MILENIO site at 6:20pm July 29, the first paragraphs are translated below.

http://www.milenio.com/node/498103

Guadalajara.- The narcotics trafficker Ignacio "Nacho" Coronel and a soldier died during a military operation carried out by the army in Zapopan.

The death of Nacho Coronel, one of the most powerful men in the Pacific Cartel criminal organization, was confirmed by federal officials consulted by MILENIO.

The Department of Defense will conduct a news conference at 7:30pm in which it is expected to report on the aforementioned military actions.

Casa

Jul 29, 2010, 6:06 PM

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Re: [norteño] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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Yes there were 3 or so helicopters flying over the city early this afternoon.

According to the Informador there were 200 soldiers involved in the operation that lasted from 1300 to 1600.

Colinas de San Javier is one of Guadalajara's "nicer" neighbourhoods

Brian

Jul 29, 2010, 7:02 PM

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Re: [Casa] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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The Zetas are now likely to make a big move into Jalisco, previously almost exclusively controlled by the Sinaloa cartel. Things will certainly get very ugly for a while. It always does when a capo goes down.

Casa

Jul 29, 2010, 7:19 PM

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Re: [Brian] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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thats what some of the local comments on local news articles are saying as well

chinagringo

Jul 30, 2010, 11:25 AM

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Re: [Casa] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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http://www.informador.com.mx/...de-nacho-coronel.htm

The above link takes you to the most recent article from INFORMADOR. To the right of the photo are a number of links that take one to additional photos and articles. A good deal more info seems to be coming out. One of these articles mentions La Famlia coming into Guadalajara as opposed to the Zetas. In all probability, it will be both making for a bad situation!

Interestingly, it is rumored or suspected that two homes in the Lake Chapala area raided some time back where owned by the Naco Colonel.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Vichil

Jul 30, 2010, 1:42 PM

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Re: [chinagringo] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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In Guadalajara the Sinaloa cartel and La Familia (The Valencia Bros) were allies according to several papers, the Zettas are no friends of either cartel . The Zettas are here too and the trouble is expected to come from them.
La Familia is already here Neil got to read more links ...

(This post was edited by Vichil on Jul 30, 2010, 1:44 PM)

tashby

Jul 30, 2010, 3:01 PM

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Re: [Vichil] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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Wasn't there some theory floating around that the Sinaloa Cartel was the preferred Cartel of the.....ummmm. Never mind. I'm too simple-minded for this stuff.

wendy devlin

Jul 30, 2010, 3:43 PM

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Stay simple-minded. It's more convenient.

norteño

Jul 30, 2010, 3:45 PM

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Re: [tashby] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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In Reply To

Wasn't there some theory floating around that the Sinaloa Cartel was the preferred Cartel of the.....ummmm. Never mind. I'm too simple-minded for this stuff.

And now there is yet another cartel to keep up with. The Cartel de la Sierra announced its arrival within the last couple of days in Chilpancingo, first with a carload of six bodies and the next day with three human heads left in that state capital.

(This post was edited by norteño on Jul 30, 2010, 3:46 PM)

chinagringo

Jul 30, 2010, 3:51 PM

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Re: [Vichil] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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Vichil:
Thank you for catching me on a poorly worded description of the situation!

I have done a fair amount of reading on this topic and my understanding/interpretation follows:
Back in the '90's, the head of the Guadalajara Cartel was arrested and imprisoned. Since then the Sinaloa aka Pacific Cartel has enjoyed preferred status to operate semi quietly in Guadalajara and the City had enjoyed a "safe" reputation. In recent years, La Familia has been expanding their base and reaching out into more areas of Jalisco. When the Zetas split from the Gulf Cartel, they started a "war" with the Gulf Cartel, while reaching out into other areas in a "turf war". This caused the other major cartels to band together against the Zetas, while continuing turf grabs of their own. The Sinaloa Cartel appears to have accepted La Familia as the lesser of two evils but then again, they are capable of being as brutal as the Zetas. All in all, three cartels competing for the trade in Guadalajara makes for a potentially explosive situation with the City and its people suffering.

I realize that this is an overly simplified version but please feel free to comment/correct.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

chinagringo

Jul 30, 2010, 3:56 PM

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Norteno:

I saw where this group claimed to be the New Cartel of the Sierras. I have to wonder if they are merely a splinter group attempting a power grab or truly a full blown cartel? There has been some speculation in the press about such. As the Government knocks off the upper level "capos", I would think that power struggles would be fairly common.
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

wendy devlin

Jul 30, 2010, 5:14 PM

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Re: [chinagringo] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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Here's an interactive map, from the New York Times, dated March 22, 2009, intended to roughly give the spheres of influence of the major drug cartels in Mexico.

However, the map is over a year old, and the spheres of social/political influence can be 'fluid'. Plus consider the source of the information.

The map doesn't take into account assassinations/ detention/disappearance etc. of major players since March 2009.

So if anyone has a map taking more recent influences into account, would appreciate, a link.
Only putting up this particular link because of the way, the map portrays circles of influence, overlapping.

Neither does the map, feature other local cartels operating under the influence or outside the influence other cartels, El Milenio(El Valencia), Colima, El Sierra or the Federation(supposedly a coalition of several cartels united against the Zetas)........etc.

Am of the mind, that even minor players, like neighbourhood gangs in smaller towns, without necessarily any significant cartel affliation, are positioned to take situational advantage during the current desmadre .

http://www.nytimes.com/...03/22/us/BORDER.html

norteño

Jul 30, 2010, 9:46 PM

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Nacho Coronel's nephew, widely regarded as his successor in waiting, was killed by the army today in Guadalajara.

http://www.milenio.com/node/498896

chinagringo

Jul 31, 2010, 7:40 AM

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Re: [wendy devlin] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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To add to Wendy's fine information, an article from INFORMADOR gives their history of drug trafficking in Guadalajara:

http://www.informador.com.mx/...o-en-guadalajara.htm
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

chinagringo

Aug 1, 2010, 9:14 AM

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Re: [norteño] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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While details of what was found at Nacho's safe house have been sketchy at best, a few are starting to come out. There was a stash of almost $7M USD in cash, his personal laptop computer, the essential weapons, etc. One has to wonder if the army had their intel on the nephew prior to taking out Nacho or it resulted from info gained at Nacho's home?
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

chinagringo

Aug 1, 2010, 4:53 PM

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http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/primera/35316.html

The above article confirms that the nephew was taken down through information found on Nacho's laptop. In another article, I read where his personal secretary/accountant also captured in the raid was an Iranian.
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Reefhound

Aug 1, 2010, 6:03 PM

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Am I the only one that thinks that maybe the kidnappings of the Televisa reporters by Sinaloa and the takedown of Nacho and his nephew are possibly connected? The four journalists were kidnapped Monday, Nacho is killed Thursday, his nephew Friday, then today the remaining 2 journalists held were freed today in a raid. It's almost as if the cartel crossed a line and the government dealt them a swift punishment as if to say "don't cross that line, we know where you are and we can take you out at any time". After all, when you start messing with the syndicated media you are messing with some very wealthy and powerful players.

tashby

Aug 1, 2010, 8:32 PM

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It seems surprisingly efficient to me, also. If that's what you're suggesting.

Brian

Aug 2, 2010, 4:15 AM

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Re: [tashby] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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"A few gray Federales say, they could have had him any day. They only let him go so long.....out of kindness I suppose"

Townes Van Zandt

(This post was edited by Brian on Aug 2, 2010, 4:30 AM)

chinagringo

Aug 2, 2010, 7:30 AM

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Re: [Brian] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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Whatever prompted the raid on Nacho Coronel may be pure speculation but the action has certainly caught the Country's attention! In cruising the MX news media this morning, I found the following consolidation of articles and reports re: the Drug War on EL UNIVERSAL:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/coberturas/esp207.html

I have not read all of the links but I have learned a few new things so far.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM

Brian

Aug 2, 2010, 7:35 AM

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The speculation surrounds the issue of what will happen to the 7 million dollars in cash that was seized after the shootout. Will it all go into the national treasury? Yah, right :-)

Reefhound

Aug 2, 2010, 7:53 AM

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Re: [Brian] Nacho Coronel, right hand man of Chapo Guzmán, killed by army in Guadalajara.

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Of course, but not the other $13 million. ;-)

chinagringo

Aug 5, 2010, 9:34 AM

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Looks like Nacho Coronel's laptop is revealing more and more information. Since he was in charge of the meth operations, it only seems natural that he would be coordinating the "precursor chemical" shipments from Asia:

http://www.milenio.com/node/501961
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM