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robt65

Jul 31, 2010, 7:54 PM

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This ought to be very interesting! It appears that Sheriff Joe Arpaio has gotten under the skin of the Juarez Cartel. They are cold calling (marketing) to persons in Arizona to kill the Sheriff. The bounty is $1,000,000 USD. hey then leave instructions about this to the receivers phone. http://www.blogdelnarco.com/ or . . . . . http://www.blogdelnarco.com/...mpenza-por.html#more you kow some nut is going to try it.

Robt


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La Isla


Aug 1, 2010, 10:09 AM

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I wonder what effect this news will have on Joe Arpaio's behavior and state of mind. Will he head for the hills or hire a few body guards ?


RickS


Aug 1, 2010, 10:12 AM

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If the man has any smarts at all, he will already have "a few body guards". But then, .........


Altahabana


Aug 1, 2010, 11:04 AM

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I wonder what effect this news will have on Joe Arpaio's behavior and state of mind. Will he head for the hills or hire a few body guards ?

Phoenix isn't Juarez--murderers nearly always get caught, tried and punished in the US. This wouldn't be like killing a group of teenagers at a party or a bunch of recovering addicts at a rehab clinic. Within five years the guy who capped Joe Arpaio would be strapped onto a gurney and put to sleep.


Reefhound


Aug 1, 2010, 11:22 AM

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Something doesn't smell right. With all the money and resources and people the cartel controls, they have to resort to sending texts to random cell numbers? How exactly would the recipient be paid? And why would the cartel pay some street thug a million bucks when they could just put a bullet in his head? Seems to me that if the cartel wanted a hit on the sheriff that they would send the word more underground or handle it in house. This sounds more like the tactic of a nobody group of persons just trying to intimidate the sheriff and others.


Brian

Aug 1, 2010, 1:07 PM

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I suppose that the same can be said about the alleged threats which have been made by an unnamed group against the judge who issued the injunction.


wendy devlin

Aug 1, 2010, 1:49 PM

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Seems to me, for some years now, that drug cartels have employed savvy media types to use the Internet as an effective tool in marketing their campaign for 'control.'

Still remember awhile back when their people seemed to run propanganda rings around the federal government's own media campaign, before the government campaign geared in this regard. Am remembering how in the early days of Youtube, cartel people displayed beheadings to effect maximum emotional impact. And what they've done ffor attention since then, has just reinforced my opinion. Example: Choosing a traditional/emotionally charged event like El Grito to lob grenades into the public crowd in Morelia, awhile back.

That's a little how I see the advertised reward for a 'hit' on Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Great attention grabber.

U.S./Mexico authorities have offered rewards of five million dollars since 2003(4)? for Nacho Coronel. Offered other rewards for select drug kingpins.

The death of a Capo in Guadalajara, has recently garnered intense international media attention. What better time, to advertise(get attention) for your media campaign, that to offer a million for Joe, a high profile American law enforcement officer.

Basing the comment above, also in reference to the recent drug cartel capture of several Televisa people, with the demand, that three videos, illustrating the cartel's side to the story...about the interned criminals being allowed out at night, to be assassins be aired.

There's always 'war' on the ground. Accompanied by another war...waged via media...promoting propanganda by opponents in any conflict.

My opinion also is that drug cartels have been busy for decades, portraying themselves as 'Robin Hoods of Mexico'.
That opinion just got reinforced by the outpouring of emotion in many Mexican comments sections regarding the recent death of Nacho Coronel.
Comments like, 'He loved the people of Mexico. And we loved him.'

El Mayo y El Chapo are regarded in much the same way....by many people.

Not to mention the influence of of people applauding and dancing to the themes involved in narco-corridos... ETC. And the kind of 'counter-culture' that thrives when going up, against the 'big guys'.

Narco-politics may not be entirely mainstream, but it's seemed to me for some time, that the narcos have been waging a pretty effective ongoing media campaign, ongoing, for the hearts and souls of (wo(men). And paying in uncountable cash.


Hound Dog

Aug 1, 2010, 2:01 PM

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Something doesn't smell right. With all the money and resources and people the cartel controls, they have to resort to sending texts to random cell numbers? How exactly would the recipient be paid? And why would the cartel pay some street thug a million bucks when they could just put a bullet in his head? Seems to me that if the cartel wanted a hit on the sheriff that they would send the word more underground or handle it in house. This sounds more like the tactic of a nobody group of persons just trying to intimidate the sheriff and others.

Very observant (in my opinion), Reefhound.

Arpaio is a vulgar thug who reminds me of those powerful and intimidating kluxer sheriffs and police chiefs that I grew up with in the then racially segregated Alabama of the 1950s and first part of the 60s. I look at this brute on television and, except for the high definition, I see Sheriff Jim Clark of Dallas County (Selma) and Police Commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor of Birmingham among other racist thugs of those days who did the dirty work for the "Big Mules" (powerful Birmingham industrialists) who could then devote their time off for golf at the prestigious Mountain Brook Country Club while guys like Connor bashed heads downtown.

Arpaio is not a new player in Maricopa County and he has been around for years. He has been famous for years for dressing up his county prison inmates in pink underwear and prison stripes and feeding them endless meals of bologna sandwiches and the powers-that-be in Phoenix, like the big steel executives in Birmingham in the 60s, always laughed at street toughs like Arpaio and Connor and ordered another double martini with the caviar at the 19th Hole, while those buffoons in the sheriff´s department brought out the bologna and fire hoses and then, when it began to reflect on their respective towns and hurting business, the amusement among those executives began to wear thin.

Now, as obnoxious as Arpaio is,he is a minor player in a crime-ridden county far from the U.S. Mexican border and the notion that, (1) the cartels would consider him important enough to assassinate and, (2) would, even if they wanted to have him bumped off, resort to some cheesy text message subject to public scrutiny sent out to offer a $1,000,000 reward to assorted gutter dwelling ne´re-do-wells to accomplish something they could easily accomplish themselves in house, is absurd on its surface. It seems to me that this alleged text message reported by this obscure blog is a set up to scare Arizonans and stir them up to turn against ordinary immigrants, whether legal or illegal, arriving in Arizona simply to work for slave wages cleaning Walmart toilets the same way kluxers used to plant stories about "rampaging blacks" under the control of Martin Luther King out to attack white women back in the old deep south now gone with the wind (thank God). Dawg grew up observing these tactics commonly used by the kluxers and this phony text message is one of the oldest tricks in the books except, of course, that the klan had to use more primitive methods to spread the lies.

I wouldn´t worry about Arpaio who, like Sheriff Clark and "Bull" Connor, will die of old age. Worry more about the mindset in Arizona that threatens the relationship between the home country of many of us and our adopted country. I speak with Mexican friends and my own domestic employees and this hostility in Arizona is not lost upon them and, if anything, this attitude has the potential to poison your well and mine.


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Reefhound


Aug 1, 2010, 2:15 PM

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"That's a little how I see the advertised reward for a 'hit' on Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Great attention grabber."

Exactly my point. I see it more as a move to grab attention and perhaps intimidate than a serious contract for someone's head.

Of course the cartel members use the media and internet for propaganda. But can you show me another example where they sent out text messages randomly to call for a hit?

I guess I just don't understand the mindset of people who can view the likes of Nacho and Chapo as champions of the people when it's their indiscriminate and horrific violence that has those people scurrying home at sunset out of fear, and burying relatives caught up as innocent collateral damage from the latest shootout, or unable to own anything nice lest it get taken from them. I guess they are getting the Mexico they deserve.


Reefhound


Aug 1, 2010, 2:26 PM

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Furthermore, and not to be a conspiracy theorist, but who exactly would benefit the most if the sheriff were in fact knocked off in an obvious (to the media) cartel hit? Hint: it wouldn't be those calling for comprehensive immigration reform.


tashby


Aug 1, 2010, 2:26 PM

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Now, as obnoxious as Arpaio is,he is a minor player in a crime-ridden county far from the U.S. Mexican border and the notion that, (1) the cartels would consider him important enough to assassinate and, (2) would, even if they wanted to have him bumped off, resort to some cheesy text message subject to public scrutiny sent out to offer a $1,000,000 reward to assorted gutter dwelling ne´re-do-wells to accomplish something they could easily accomplish themselves in house, is absurd on its surface.


Yes.


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It seems to me that this alleged text message reported by this obscure blog is a set up to scare Arizonans and stir them up to turn against ordinary immigrants, whether legal or illegal, arriving in Arizona simply to work for slave wages cleaning Walmart toilets the same way kluxers used to plant stories about "rampaging blacks" under the control of Martin Luther King out to attack white women back in the old deep south now gone with the wind (thank God).

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Double yes.

The very notion that a "hit" on this dipshit yahoo yokel Sherrif was sent by a cartel to random cell phones is retarded.

Arizona is one spooky place right now.


chinagringo


Aug 1, 2010, 2:48 PM

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Well here is a real surprise - look at which news organization is pumping the story:

http://www.thefoxnation.com/...t-put-out-joe-arpaio
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



richmx2


Aug 1, 2010, 3:41 PM

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Well, the 'zonies have been saying for years that their state would end up like Mexico. I wonder if it hasn't... remember Oaxaca governor José Murat's self-inflicted assassination attempt when he needed some political sympathy? That one went sideways (a bodyguard got killed falling off a police truck) but at least Murat actually shed a little bit of blood and so far all Sheriff Joe had to do was claim there are random cell phone calls.

Arpaio is up for re-election, isn't he?


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http://voiceofmexico.com
http://editorialmazatlan.com


smokesilver

Aug 1, 2010, 7:54 PM

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Anf they are stating it as a fact and not questioning its source. I'm not surprised of course.


cbviajero

Aug 2, 2010, 8:37 AM

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sheriff joe is currently being investigated for abuse of power,i personally would love to see him eating bologna sandwiches in pink underwear in in one of his tents in the arizona desert.


gbatrucks


Aug 8, 2010, 9:37 PM

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I really find it silly when people who have no real experience with Arizona pretend they are experts. I lived in the Phoenix area for 30 years prior to moving here 5 years ago. 'Dawg, after his formative years in the swamp, spent his time sipin' wine in the Napa valley and, (I may be wrong) has not lived in Az. during Sheriff Joe's time. Arpaio is not a racist and neither are most Zonies. He is one of the most popular elected officials in the country. He is a no-nonsense cop and does not have a personality designed to win friends or influence people. He gets reelected on his merits, not on smooth political double-speak.

Those of you that have not lived there have no idea how bad the situation is especially the further south you go towards the border. The fact that Phoenix is second only to Mexico City in kidnappings should be proof enough. The reality is, the Feds wont do their job because the Republicans like the cheap labor and the Democrats like the potential voters. Even then-governor Napolitano, now homeland-security chief, would regularly send bills to the Feds for the cost of keeping Illegals. Of course these bills were ignored. With the pressure of the current financial situation, Arizona and a bunch of other states are saying enough is enough. The Feds have been kicking the can down the road so long that nobody believes they will do anything unless we have another "sagebrush revolution." That's what's going on. To compare this to "Bull" Connors and the racist activities down South is not only an insult to Arizonans, it's also insulting to the civil rights movements.
"The trouble with life is there's no background music."


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Rolly


Aug 8, 2010, 10:03 PM

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The fact that Phoenix is second only to Mexico City in kidnappings should be proof enough.
That is not a fact. It's an urban myth that has been repeated so many times that most people seem to believe it

This misconception is discussed at length here.

Rolly Pirate


gbatrucks


Aug 8, 2010, 10:24 PM

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Your source is just one other opinion. Because of various recording keeping methods, the correct answer may never be known. In any case, the situation is bad enough in Phoenix to support my point. Watch the ABC video: http://abcnews.go.com/...d=6848672&page=1
"The trouble with life is there's no background music."


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Reefhound


Aug 9, 2010, 5:38 AM

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Rolly, I read that article carefully and while it said it could not confirm that Phoenix was #2 in the world, neither could it show otherwise. They did not cite a higher number for any other city. Their "source" is a private kidnapping consulting firm who says they handle more cases in Caracas and Tegucigalpas. Keep in mind they are only working with wealthy persons being held for ransom. The total number of cases they handle each year is a fraction of the total kidnappings reported in Phoenix each year.

And whether or not there are other places like Somalia or other Latin American countries where kidnappings are higher, absolutely none of them suggested that any other U.S. city was likely higher. Phoenix being #2 in the world concerns me a lot less than it being #1 in the U.S.


gbatrucks


Aug 9, 2010, 9:51 AM

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The camera doesn't lie: http://www.cis.org/Videos/HiddenCameras2
"The trouble with life is there's no background music."


chinagringo


Aug 9, 2010, 10:20 AM

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I doubt that you can argue that AZ has not benefited financially from the number of illegal immigrants over many years. Apparently the State is having financial problems, like many States, but now chooses to use that as part of their argument that they cannot afford what had been a luxury in the past. Just to pick one industry example: just what portion of the labor that went into the building of all those homes built during the "boom years" was provided by the hard working illegal? Now AZ is also suffering from their recent actions from the "legal visitor" trade:
http://www.usatoday.com/...werlegals06_ST_N.htm
I have to wonder how those affected business owner's like this new trend?
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



chris cooper

Aug 9, 2010, 10:39 AM

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The video was produced by a decidedly anti-immigration organization. Its founder was a confirmed racist. It has repeatedly posted fraudulent claims concerning immigration. I would be careful to accept anything they post as the truth.


Reefhound


Aug 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

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If illegals are a net benefit then shouldn't Arizona be a prosperous state and not having such financial problems?


Reefhound


Aug 9, 2010, 10:41 AM

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"It has repeatedly posted fraudulent claims concerning immigration."

How about a few examples, with references?


chris cooper

Aug 9, 2010, 10:47 AM

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Your logic could use some explanation. Would lower tax revenues due to the poor economy have anything to do with the problem? I believe Arizona has been one of the states hardest hit by the mortgage crisis. I would think that possibly that has a larger negative impact on the State's financial problems than whatever negative affect undocumented workers present.
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