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robt65

Jul 16, 2010, 7:16 PM

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that certainly sounds more plausable than my therory.

Peter

Jul 16, 2010, 9:13 PM

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From my mother's side I have a copy of my g-g-g'parent's marriage certificate uniting Nesbitt and McCrea in 1850 shortly before them crossing to go to Canada before finally settling in Arkansas. They were married in Belfast, which is... well, not exactly Ireland.

slainte39

Jul 17, 2010, 12:04 AM

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If an Irish company depleted the hard wood forests anywhere in Mexico, it had to be after 1922, as Ireland hadn't existed as a sovereign nation for 700 years until then. It was just part of the UK, like Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are now.
Most all political and economic power was held by British politicians and British financial interests--sometimes euphemistically referred to as "Anglo-Irish". The first 50 years after independence in 1922, the Irish could barely sustain an economic system in their own country, let alone go multinational anywhere in the world. I would have see a little more evidence that logging in Mexico had any connection to Ireland--EXCEPT--maybe a national of some other country with Irish ancestry was involved.
By the way, the British/English did strip the forests of Ireland from the time of the conquest (1170) onwards to help build the great B/E navy that resulted in "Britannia rules the waves". But not all bad as it paved the way for lots of green grass and sheep AND the moniker "the Emerald Isle".

slainte39

Jul 17, 2010, 12:20 AM

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Peter
The last four words of your post says it all---and that's what caused the death of 4,000 people over the last 30 years of the "Troubles".

Peter

Jul 17, 2010, 9:25 AM

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Peter
The last four words of your post says it all---and that's what caused the death of 4,000 people over the last 30 years of the "Troubles".

My family has not been part of those struggles and events for 160 years now and it is my failing to have remained quite ignorant to those particulars.

Since a very young age before I was even aware of the "Troubles" I realized I was entering a "forbidden zone" of sorts when, while us kids were discussing family ancestry, if I were to delare that I knew of my ancestors coming to the Americas from Belfast I would suddenly find myself a hated minority in a very emotionally charged discussion.

Since I was not raised Catholic it seemed evident that I was one of the "bad guys" and for that reason did not care to find out much about why.

From my father's side of the equation I know that I am one-quarter Basque which opens another can of worms. Back to my mother's side I see I am also one-sixteenth indigenous American. That leaves my remaining quarter Swedish which here in Mexico is not especially endearing but not particularly bad.

I guess if I smelled bad deaf and blind people could hate me too.

(This post was edited by Peter on Jul 17, 2010, 9:43 AM)

slainte39

Jul 17, 2010, 1:29 PM

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There were a lot of "bad guys" on both sides of that problem in Northern Ireland--no one side gets to hold that distinction.
If you were born on the island of Ireland--I don't know how you wouldn't be Irish. Anyone born there, whether it be in the Republic or the North, can hold an Irish passport, regardless of your religion. There are a lot protestants in the south that are doing just fine--one protestant family that comes to mind is the Guinness family, who have sold a couple of barrells of beer over the years. Being a Catholic, I still prefer a secular government, free FROM religion--and that goes for Muslims, Christians, whatever. The post 1910-1920 revolution governments in Mexico got a little extreme in their anti-clericalism, but a lesser evil than the "Inquisition Era" of the rabidly Catholic Spanish monarchy.

zaragemca

Jul 27, 2010, 9:19 AM

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In reality there are a lot of stories to be told about Irish people in America. A lot of them went to Cuba and from there moved to Mexico. They helped Spain to fight the British in Cuba. I have an article which point out the 'elite of Irish' in Cuba. The name of the article is. "Zaragemca's Ph. D. in Guaguanco'. Gerry Zaragemca, is a world's known authority in Afro Cuban Percussion and Music.
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