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babycakes

Jun 3, 2010, 7:06 AM

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Here is the link to my last post back in January: http://www.mexconnect.com/...?post=138317;#138317

I overstayed my tourist visa because I had a baby here in Mexico and couldn't get his passports in time before my visa expired. A couple of days before it expired, I applied for an FM2. This was in mid November. By January, I realized that an FM2 Dependant status was absolutely worthless to me since my husband and I and baby planned on moving to the US this summer. So I wanted to cancel it and leave. However, as is typical... everyone at INM had a different answer on the process and consequences. Most were saying I would still have to pay for the FM2 and then I would have to pay staying past my visa expiration date. I was considering leaving by bus....

So this is what actually happened. I got my Mexican husband involved. That really made all of the difference. Being a man. Seriously. He also went in a suit. Because INM is sexist and classist. He filed my paperwork and cancelled my FM2 and they gave me a letter allowing me 30 days to leave the country. I didn't have to pay anything! So that was a happy ending.

As far as taking the bus back to the US if you have an expired visa and dont want to pay the fees. You can do it. A month ago we traveled from DF to Juarez by plane and then crossed the bridge to El Paso. No one asked for my tourist visa. From there, I came by plane from Dallas to DF and they gave me the new FMM. My old one, which was still good, I decided to just turn in, but they wouldn't have known the difference otherwise.



La Isla


Jun 3, 2010, 8:36 AM

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. . . Because INM is sexist and classist. . . .


Babycakes, I find this statement of yours a bit confusing, or maybe not. I'm a middle-class woman and have never had any problems with INM. Could that be because the sexism and the classism just cancelled each other out in my case ( - : ?


babycakes

Jun 3, 2010, 8:48 AM

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Well it is hard to prove anything from the personal experience of a stranger over the internet. But imho, they are both sexist and classist and I am not a person who is particularly sensitive to either. It is subtle, and not outright like some other countries I have been to cough cough Egypt cough cough India. But it is most definately there.


La Isla


Jun 3, 2010, 9:59 AM

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Well it is hard to prove anything from the personal experience of a stranger over the internet. But imho, they are both sexist and classist and I am not a person who is particularly sensitive to either. It is subtle, and not outright like some other countries I have been to cough cough Egypt cough cough India. But it is most definately there.


Sexism and classism, along with racism, may be more subtle here than in Egypt and India (my, you have been to interesting parts of the world, babycakes!), but I know they exist. In my case, perhaps my age (65 in a month) cancels out the sexism, and so I haven't experienced the kind of problems you've had with INM. Or maybe I've just been lucky!


Hound Dog

Jun 3, 2010, 11:00 AM

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Sexism and classism, along with racism, may be more subtle here than in Egypt and India (my, you have been to interesting parts of the world, babycakes!), but I know they exist. In my case, perhaps my age (65 in a month) cancels out the sexism, and so I haven't experienced the kind of problems you've had with INM. Or maybe I've just been lucky!

Dawg has lived in all three places and there is nothing more subtle about sexism, classism and racism in Mexico than in Egypt and India. The only important difference is that Indian food in all of its variations is far superior to Mexican and Egyptian food in all of their variations. Too bad it´s not a good place to stick around for too long before being driven insane.


La Isla


Jun 3, 2010, 11:22 AM

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India is one of those places I enjoy reading about but have never wanted to visit. Now reading that it almost drove you insane, Hound Dog, I have even less desire to go there! Details, please, if the moderators will allow a post or two that does not deal directly with Mexico.


morgaine7


Jun 3, 2010, 1:24 PM

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Maybe Dawg would give us some comparisons between living in India and living in Mexico, which would be relevant (though maybe best in another thread). We sure get more than enough comparisons with the US. I lived in Egypt for 25 years and find many similarities with Mexico. Despite running across sexist individuals in both countries, I wouldn't describe either population as a whole as particularly sexist. Classist, more so.

As a single woman, I've never experienced either -ism at INM.

Kate


chinagringo


Jun 3, 2010, 1:44 PM

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As a former resident of India from the late '50's into mid '60's - I cannot think of one thing worthwhile in India that would be worth comparing to Mexico today. If my memory serves me correctly, the Dawg was visiting India a bit later than when I lived there but would comparisons be valid given the number of years that have passed?

Based upon what I remember, should I be given an all expense paid trip to India traveling first class and staying in 5 star hotels today - I would turn down the trip! Meanwhile, I am only too happy to spend my money traveling to Mexico!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Hound Dog

Jun 3, 2010, 3:22 PM

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You guys are funny and I must try to rise to the challenge regarding living in Mexico versus living in India and, to start with, let me admit that I was only in India for about six months in 1969 at age 29 and only went there of necessity since that year´s journey had been meant as a combination overland, air trek from Cairo to Capetown because I was young and foolish and had just read The White Nile . The reason I changed my plan in Dar es Salaam , Tanzania was because I went to buy new traveler´s cheques at Barclays Bank there and those cheques were issued as non-negotiable in Rhodesia (today´s Zimbabwe) and South Africa because of a financial boycott of those days so there I was in Tanzania and broke if I proceeded to Mozambique and Rhodesia as had been my intention so I returned to Nairobi and flew off nonstop to Bombay (Mumbai) from there. The single greatest flight I ever took. It was a Boeing 707 and I was the only passenger and enjoying quite tasty Indian airline food during the flight. It was amazing to get into Bombay at about 5:00AM after having been chauffeured across the Indian Ocean on my own (by coincidence) private 707 in luxury just to arrive at the Bombay airport and, on the taxi ride into town, observing countless thousands of poor people calling the sidewalks home and sleeping there neck-to-neck with their own complicated class system. A fascinating experience.

I bought a second class (on a three class system) rail ticket from Bombay to Ahmedabad to Kashmir to Delhi to the Nepalese border to Darjeeling to Calcutta to Madras to Bangalore and back to Bombay for - no joke - the equivalent of $13USD. I still don´t believe it. It turned out that second or third class was the way to go then as banditry was fairly common in those days and bandits loved to loot first class.

As for retiring in India, just for the record, there are places in the highlands with climates similar to the highlands in Mexico and by that I mean, quite pleasant places with normally moderate temperatures at altitudes between 5,000 and 7,000 feet. Some of the highlands can be quite beautiful and, once again, the food is wonderful but there are cultural attitudes that, while civilized, are grating at times for westerners but whose fault is that?

Dawg also considered retiring in the Kenyan highlands at about 7,000 feet near Mount Kenya but there are times when Kenya seems to become unhinged and white boys are not beloved there when Kenyans become rattled.

Where else on earth can one find a more pleasant place to live out one´s retirement than in highland Mexico? Tell me about it. Too late for Dawg but someone else may benefit from your experience.


chinagringo


Jun 3, 2010, 4:18 PM

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Well Dawg - I can tell you that I would much rather be friends with Mexicans rather than be looking over my shoulder while waiting for an Indian to get their hands in my pockets. Broad brush stroke? Maybe, but that is what I experienced and learned from.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



YucaLandia


Jun 3, 2010, 4:31 PM

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Various female friends of ours who have visited both India and Mexico over the years report being regularly publicly fondled in India in banks, on trains, and even had Indian men attempting to "diddle" them in the Ganges while at religious festivals - and these women clearly had their husbands nearby and wore modest appropriate clothing. These same women had nothing even similar to report in Mexico, except for the occasional inappropriate brushing and rubbing on over-crowded Distrito Federal subway trips. If anything, women are given some privileges and preferences in Mexico, though there clearly is some workplace and promotion discrimination etc.

The rude physical fondling of women by male strangers in India is so bad, that India offers some all-women trains and transport, to help relieve travel & commuting stress, so, even transport officials acknowledge that the problems are out of control in India.
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Jun 3, 2010, 4:34 PM)


Casa

Jun 3, 2010, 6:57 PM

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I am not saying Mexico is the same or any worse than India but there are women only bus, taxis and metro cars in Mexico too......
 
 
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