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esperanza

May 15, 2010, 9:02 AM

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Re: [geri] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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If you go over to the Living, Working, Retiring Forum, I posted a thread called Photos of new INM form FMM--you can take a look at the front and the back of the form and see how it works.




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Ric Hoffman


May 16, 2010, 1:00 PM

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New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs (Seguimiento de trámite)

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After you have submitted your trámite to INM you will receive a unique number identification (NUT) and password so you can track the progress of your request. You can track it here: http://tinyurl.com/Tramite-Status

(long url: http://setram.inami.gob.mx:8080/...imiento-tramite.html )


Ustlach


May 17, 2010, 6:45 PM

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Re: [Rolly] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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I would be willing to tell you my recent experiences, although I would not yet describe them as successful.

I went to my local INM office to get the first renewal of my FM2 visa on or around 20 April 2010. I waited almost two and a half hours to get the current requirements and payment form, only to be told I ought to wait until after 1 May 2010, when I would be able to do everything online.

I pressed for better information and was told after 1 May 2010 I could go to a specific website, set up an account, and get an appointment to go into the office and complete the process. None of that is true.

So when I got back from the USA on May 10th, my partner (a Mexican) got online at the website I was given. We got nowhere. So next day he called the local INM office (a minor miracle, they answered the phone) and talked him through what to do. And told him "all" the requirements, which did not include bank statements nor proof of residence, which had always been required before. I had bank statements ready to go and a copy of my water bill, which they tend to prefer over my property tax statement and payment receipt, so I took them with me next day.

Next day, we did not have a long wait and the INM lady who helped us, the same one who registered my FM3 when I came to Mexico, and helped me through one renewal of the FM3 and a conversion to FM2. She had always been so pleasant and seemingly competent and efficient, but was now grumpy and morose and having a helluva time operating the ancient Dell laptop she had on the front desk. I think the internet connection cable kept popping out and she would lose control of the whole process and have to get it plugged in again and start over. I don't think she was comfortable with what she was doing and it was sad to watch as she had always been the picture of efficiency in the past.

Of course she asked for all the same stuff that they always ask for, plus new fotos...specifically "infantil" size, 2 of the right profile, 3 from the front. No glasses. I had those as a result of the phone call we made the day before.

She finally got it all stamped and stapled and assembled into a file folder and gave me a "comprobante de registro de solicitud" that has my case number and a password to use online to check the status of the application. She told us the visa would be ready in two days, last Friday. Today I got online to the website I was given, used the case number and password and there is a computer file with entries, indicating they had received a payment, had received the application, had entered the application, had registered the application. But that is all.

Maybe...MAYBE in the end, later, sometime down the road, all of this will prove easier than the old way. I am pretty sure of it. And the new little card, to carry in my wallet, will be an improvement. I wonder about checking in with INM when I leave and go to the USA and come back. I suspect they will swipe the new card and register, electronically, my departure, and then the reverse of that to record my re-entry. I hope that is how it goes.

It seems to me that the process is just as bureacratic, inefficient, and time-consuming as ever. Same information to assemble. Payment at a bank, requiring a special form that you have to go into the INM office to get and wait forever to get it, and get the current requirements, just in case something has changed. At least two additional visits to the INM office, to handover the documents and watch them stamp the holy begeezus out of everything, then another visit later to pick up the visa. If all goes well, with no glitches like them losing the payment receipt, like they did during my FM3 to FM2 conversion. Make personal copies of EVERYTHING and try to get them stamped. They love to stamp things.

I fail to see how the process is much improved and it sure has made the ladies there unhappy. For me, it is all about the same. And I don't mind doing it. But there is no appointment and no processing of the application online, as far as I am concerned. It is just like it used to be, with the exception that I will probably get a cute little card instead of a ratty-looking booklet as my visa and they have work to do via an ancient laptop on their front desk. I guess that is the online part.


geri

May 18, 2010, 6:50 AM

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Re: [Ustlach] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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Ustlach: Thanks for this personal, first-hand account. From my own experience, I agree, that the "Mexican officials" are a bit nervous, awkward (understandably) and hence edgy with the new procedures, but hopefully all will be ironed out. When I posted my personal experience with re-entry on an FM-3 (above), it illicited a curt response from Moderator to go to a website where the form appears. I hope Mexconnect continues to allow personal experiences dialogues to be posted because it seems as if there are various ways of handling the new procedures and if we read about them, we'll be more prepared when actually faced with filling out the forms, which as everyone knows, are available online, but in reality things don't always work out exactly as officially planned/published.


Rolly


May 18, 2010, 7:12 AM

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Re: [geri] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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Geni, I don't think that the response you referred to was curt. It simple pointed to another thread that had a picture of the form.

On your second point: personal experiences are more than welcome, they are begged for.

Rolly Pirate


prmjcm


May 19, 2010, 9:23 AM

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Re: [Ustlach] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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Ustlach, were the photos to be in color or black and white.


Ustlach


May 19, 2010, 9:25 AM

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Re: [prmjcm] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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Forgot to mentiuon that, COLOR.


Manuel Dexterity

May 19, 2010, 9:53 AM

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Re: [Rolly] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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Geni, I don't think that the response you referred to was curt. It simple pointed to another thread that had a picture of the form.

On your second point: personal experiences are more than welcome, they are begged for.


Curt? Of course.

And none apparently have the validity of a particular mod's OPINION.

And that is not only the case on this thread but on many others.


careyeroslib

May 19, 2010, 5:10 PM

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Re: [Manuel Dexterity] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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I'm new here but I didn't find the referral to the picture of the new FMM on another thread curt. To the point, not curt--and helpful (to have a picture of the actual form).

We're one of those who left under the old system and will return under the new system. It is great to know what the new form will look like. If someone happens to visit this sub-forum, but not the other, it's great to be redirected.


Rolly


May 19, 2010, 5:48 PM

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Re: [careyeroslib] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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Look here and also here.

Rolly Pirate


YucaLandia


May 22, 2010, 7:11 AM

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Re: [Ric Hoffman] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs (Seguimiento de trámite)

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Update on the new / mixed INM Procedures for FM2s & FM3s:

Our local guinea pig for post-April 30, 2010 changing from an FM3 rentista to FM2 seems to have had a breakthrough. After submitting separate applications online for himself, wife, and 2 teens, he submitted a letter requesting the FM2 to FM3 change using a letter previously written by Merida INM personnel in April. The INM personnel initially had him edit their April version by adding one new specific phrase (certifying that everything he claimed was the truth). They then rejected that letter, and required him to write a separate letter for his wife.

The letter-dance has continued in various forms, 8 different letters along the way, with the final version being a letter for him and separate letters for each of his 2 kids and one from his wife, including yet more additional specific INM language required. I hesitate to publish the final forms until INM finishes approving his application, because they have changed requirements 3 times in 2 weeks. I'll post versions of the final letters on our blog when INM gives final approval.

The good news? INM has made an appointment for all of them to come into the office in 1 week, to sign final forms, and get their cards.

This seems like a breakthrough, since applications for new FM2s and FM3 renewals had been taking 2 months to process this spring at our office, which would mean that he seems ready to have the entire process completed in just 3 weeks = a faster process? As an optimist, I hope that the processing times will become even shorter, and more efficient with less confusion, as the INM personnel get fully trained on the new procedures and they settle into a consistent set of new requirements.

Our friend's only apparent remaining hurdle is shifting his Texas-plated vehicle from his FM3 over to his FM2. The last gringa we know who did this here in March found it painless and free. I'll post more details as we get them.
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on May 22, 2010, 7:15 AM)


skier14

May 22, 2010, 4:04 PM

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Re: [YucaLandia] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs (Seguimiento de trámite)

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Whats with the thing about shifting you NOB plated vehicle from a FM3 to a FM2?


johanson


May 22, 2010, 4:38 PM

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Re: [skier14] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs (Seguimiento de trámite)

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Me neither. Brought one in ten years ago and have gone through several FM 2 &/or 3s since then (I had to go back to an FM 3 since I was out of Mexico too many days per year to meet the FM 2 requirements


sioux4noff

May 23, 2010, 7:38 AM

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Re: [YucaLandia] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs (Seguimiento de trámite)

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Thanks for the update YucaLandia. We, too, will be going from an FM3 to an FM2 later this year.
Interesting to hear they got an appointment, so far no one has reported getting an appointment at the local office here in Bucerias.


careyeroslib

May 24, 2010, 12:50 PM

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Re: [YucaLandia] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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A question for anyone who has renewed an FM2 since May 1st (or knows for sure) regarding the online application.

They ask for your ""documento de identificacion". One can choose "pasaporte" or "forma migratoria". Do they want our passport (eg., Canadian, American) info, or our FM2 info in that section?

Thanks.


careyeroslib

May 24, 2010, 3:46 PM

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Re: [careyeroslib] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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I think I have the answer to my previous question. According to someone who renewed in the Vallarta area, the document they want to know about on the online form is the passport, not your FM2 info.


mexbound

May 25, 2010, 9:36 AM

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Re: [careyeroslib] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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So my wife and I were concerned when we heard that Mexican Consulates (in the US) would no longer be issuing new FM3s. We are in the process of moving to Mexico from Seattle. We were thinking we would have to come down to Mexico on an FMM and then convert to an FM3. This would require our household goods to sit at the border until we got our FM3s. Well I'm happy to say we are now in possession of our new FM3s issued by the Mexican Consulate in Seattle. We got the old style green books and not the new "card". We went down at 10:00 in the morning with all of our paperwork, and by 11:30 we were thru the process. We were told our FM3s would be ready at 1:30 that afternoon.


Marlene


May 25, 2010, 11:19 AM

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Re: [mexbound] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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Don't be surprised, if when you go to INM in Mexico to register it, that they exchange it. (Basically, you will be required to repeat the process when you register.)


billkath

May 31, 2010, 10:20 AM

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Re: [YucaLandia] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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What is CURP? I am filling out my husband's form. Do I need to put anything in the comments section?
Thanks!


billkath

May 31, 2010, 10:38 AM

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Re: [Manuel Dexterity] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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OK - I found out what CURP is. Do we have to have one before we can move forward? We are retired.


Rolly


May 31, 2010, 10:45 AM

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Re: [billkath] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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The CURP in optional. Notice that there is no * next to that block indicating that it is optional.

Rolly Pirate


billkath

May 31, 2010, 11:18 AM

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Re: [Rolly] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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Thank you. I just submitted. It was way easy. On that note, I hope I did it right. I received a 'tracking' number. So do I just wait a few days for acceptance then gather my documents and go to INM? Maybe that's the hard part?


tashby


May 31, 2010, 1:31 PM

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Re: [billkath] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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My understanding is that once you've submitted the application via the website, you go to your closest IMN office and submit the necessary documentation, photos, etc. They use the # to pull your application from the system. Then you can use the "tracking number" via their website to see when your visa is ready to be picked up, assuming all goes well. (I've only read this....no personal experience yet.)

What I do know is this: A woman who was renewing her FM2 in Guadalajara received her visa three days after submitting the paperwork. So it sounds like things are working pretty well there.


(This post was edited by tashby on May 31, 2010, 1:32 PM)


La Isla


May 31, 2010, 2:22 PM

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Re: [tashby] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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What I do know is this: A woman who was renewing her FM2 in Guadalajara received her visa three days after submitting the paperwork. So it sounds like things are working pretty well there.


In Mexico City under the old system, once we've submitted our documents and paid the required fees, FM3 and FM2 prórrogas have always been ready the next day! I hope it doesn't take longer with the new system ( : !


billkath

May 31, 2010, 2:40 PM

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Re: [La Isla] New INM Procedures for FM2s, FM3s, & FMMs

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I thought they sent you a response with the paperwork needed. It did give me a pop up stating I did not have adobe, which I do. However, I was not hooked up to a printer at the time. I am not sure if at that time is when the list of documents needed would have printed? I am pretty sure I have everything I need, but it would be nice to be sure.
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