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nopogayle

Mar 20, 2010, 2:24 PM

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I've searched old threads but haven't seen a 'list' of items deemed really important (or that you miss terribly & cannot locate there). Can we start a new thread on this topic? I'm culling the contents of my home in Oregon in preparation to drive SOB and, quite frankly, cannot think of anything that I couldn't readily replace. I plan on renting furnished places in a series of locations until I find the right 'fit' - which could take a couple of years! I know that items with a 'plug' cost more there. But, what should I bring? I'm driving a Subaru Outback, but don't want/need it stuffed to the gills. Right now I'm thinking only the following:

clothing
legal documents & health records/prescriptions (for myself, my dog & auto)
personal effects (toiletries, medicines, etc.)
hobby items (books, camera, computer, crafts, etc.)
spices (sealed jars)
crockpot
cooler

What am I missing? This seems like too little; I end up taking this much stuff for a long weekend to the Oregon coast, only an hour away! Thanks in advance & I apologize if this is a really OLD topic!



Rolly


Mar 20, 2010, 3:09 PM

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I would omit spices (sealed jars), crockpot and cooler . You can find these things down here.

I would add sheets and pillow cases. You can find these here, but the quality may not be to your liking.

Far and away the most important thing to being is an open, non-judgmental mind with a very heavy dose of patience.

Rolly Pirate


esperanza

Mar 20, 2010, 3:35 PM

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If you like to cook, bring your equipment, including your good sharp knives and your cookbooks. Decent kitchen equipment is hard to find here, even in restaurant supply stores, and costs a lot more than it does NOB.

If you like to read a lot, consider buying and bringing a Kindle or whichever e-book reader you prefer. The big initial expense is the electronic device itself, but the availability of books is fantastic and they are quite inexpensive. I thought I didn't want an e-reader, but boy was I dumb! I LOVE it now.

If you regularly take meds that your current health insurance pays for, try to get a several-month supply to bring with you. Be sure to bring the Rx, just for verification in case customs asks you about your meds when you come into the country.

Good cotton towels (bath and kitchen) are more expensive here. If you have some you like, bring them along. You can use them as padding when you pack, then wash and re-use them.

Ditto what Rolly said about the sheets.

Ditto what Rolly said about an open mind and a truckload of patience.




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tashby


Mar 20, 2010, 4:03 PM

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legal documents & health records/prescriptions (for myself, my dog & auto)


You might include in those documents a certified copy of your birth certificate, or any other official document you can think of that you may need at some point. (I say that even though I've never needed mine yet.) It would be a pain in the neck to try to get a copy sent to you here. Basically, the only thing you really can't get down here is what *only* exists in the U.S. Think of it that way.

Also, I'd definitely encourage you to figure out your banking solution well in advance. If you're going to be keeping your money in a US bank, and just using an atm card to withdraw pesos here, check with your bank about daily withdraw limits, and what kind of fee they may charge for withdrawing cash from atms in Mexico. Also, you might want to bring an extra atm card as backup, etc.

The rest depends I think on how completely you're cutting ties to the US, and whether or not you anticipate making occasional pilgrimages back to the old country.

And yes to packing the patience. It's especially necessary, I've found, if you end up living in an area with a lot of expats!

Have a great adventure!


chicois8

Mar 20, 2010, 4:41 PM

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MONEY, lots of it..........


La Isla


Mar 20, 2010, 6:19 PM

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If you like to read a lot, consider buying and bringing a Kindle or whichever e-book reader you prefer. The big initial expense is the electronic device itself, but the availability of books is fantastic and they are quite inexpensive.


How much does it cost to download an individual book?


nopogayle

Mar 20, 2010, 6:37 PM

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Hello Espreranza! & otros...

I like to cook, so yes, thanks.... I will include the few pots/pans/knives, etc. I have here. Even though they probably should have been replaced years ago. Re: recipes? I might bring a few cookbooks in Engligh (good idea!), but these days I 'google' recipes and, because I have a pretty solid base in Spanish (and am googling spanish recipes now... and then there are ALWAYS Rolly's recipes in English available online!), I don't think that's a problem. Plus, Esperanza: I would LOVE to meet up w/you one day soon & ... have you ever given any cooking lessons? That might be a lucrative adventure. (Or not!)

Rolly: Sheets? Pillowcases? How in the heck do I know what size, given that I'm going to rent for a couple of years???!!!
Of course, I guess I could always use them as 'patio covers' or some-such, in the interim. (I can be pretty resourceful!) Besides, Rolly: I already have on my list of 'spices' to bring you a few jars of PICKLES! Yum!

Re: money, lots of it: well, it is what it is. Ditto: patience & lots of it, though I probably have more of that, given I love the Latino language, culture & history.

Thank you ALL! for not saying I shoud bring in an AK47 (whatever).

Just to show you (all-who-may-read-this) that not ALL NOB'ers are scared of driving to Mexico & reinventing themselves. I'm on my way come Fall 2010. Yea!

What else am I missing? I love this....! You are all so incredibly helpful! Gracias!


ms mac

Mar 20, 2010, 6:56 PM

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I would omit spices (sealed jars), crockpot and cooler . You can find these things down here.

I would add sheets and pillow cases. You can find these here, but the quality may not be to your liking.

Far and away the most important thing to being is an open, non-judgmental mind with a very heavy dose of patience.

Good answer, Rolly!
ms mac


robt65

Mar 20, 2010, 7:00 PM

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You forgot to mention to them about the American peanut butter . . . . . Especially the crunchy style! You were so right about that.

Follow their advice about the good quality cooking knives. I sure am happy they reminded me about mine. Also a really good quality pepper grinder and coarse sea salt grinder. I have found many such grinders in Mexico, but none of any quality even at Liverpools.

Depending upon where you are going to land, I also brought with me two vent less propane gas heaters, a carbon monoxide alarm and a dehumidifier that I really am happy that I brought. Especially this past winter for the heaters, they really made a difference this past winter.

Robert


joaquinx


Mar 20, 2010, 8:05 PM

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I would add sheets and pillow cases.
American peanut butter . . . . . Especially the crunchy style


The big question is: do US sheets fit Mexican beds. I can not even buy sheets here that fit Mexican beds. Crunchy peanut butter is sold at Chedraui - Jif. But if you like Peter Pan, bring it.
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Judy in Ags


Mar 20, 2010, 8:32 PM

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Twin size mattresses are the only size we have bought here (brought the other with us) and my stateside sheets fit fine.


RickS


Mar 20, 2010, 8:47 PM

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Many, many many books (older) are in the public domain and are free (the complete works of Dickens, etc.). New releases currently start at $9.99. I just bought Barbara Kingsolver's Lacuna for $12.50.

If you buy one for use in Mexico, be sure to get the 'International' version as it allows downloads outside of the US ( of course one could purchase/download it to your computer then upload from your computer to the Kindle via USB cable and not have to have the International wireless.


dmhaun


Mar 20, 2010, 9:11 PM

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Hope your travels bring you to Michoacan and Lake Patzcuaro. On airplane, bus or auto, I carry a Mr. Coffee Junior, those 4-cup, Mr. Drips. Included is a bag of my favorite coffee from the roasters. At hotels/motels/rentals, it's nice having a "first-thing-in-the-morning," cup of joe. It may not be perfect, but it's often the best cup of the day. Buen viaje, David
PS I also bring along tea bags for that spot of tea.
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cookj5

Mar 20, 2010, 10:35 PM

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Jif crunchy peanut butter is available here in Soriana in Chapala.


cookj5

Mar 20, 2010, 10:44 PM

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I've searched old threads but haven't seen a 'list' of items deemed really important (or that you miss terribly & cannot locate there). Can we start a new thread on this topic? I'm culling the contents of my home in Oregon in preparation to drive SOB and, quite frankly, cannot think of anything that I couldn't readily replace. I plan on renting furnished places in a series of locations until I find the right 'fit' - which could take a couple of years! I know that items with a 'plug' cost more there. But, what should I bring? I'm driving a Subaru Outback, but don't want/need it stuffed to the gills. Right now I'm thinking only the following:

clothing
legal documents & health records/prescriptions (for myself, my dog & auto)
personal effects (toiletries, medicines, etc.)
hobby items (books, camera, computer, crafts, etc.)
spices (sealed jars)
crockpot
cooler

What am I missing? This seems like too little; I end up taking this much stuff for a long weekend to the Oregon coast, only an hour away! Thanks in advance & I apologize if this is a really OLD topic!


Looks like a pretty good list, although I'm with Rolly on the crockpot and spices. When my wife and I moved here 3 years ago, we packed our Toyota Corolla with clothes, a couple of boxes of books, my desktop computer and printer, my cameras, our personal documents and that was about it.

Now that I've been down here awhile, my clothes are starting to wear out and I find it hard to find good quality replacements in Mexico, i.e. stain resistant and permanent press. Also, good hiking boots are very hard to find, especially with Vibram soles. Mexican soles wear out in a hurry, the way that I hike. But we've been able to find good Mexican equivalents for just about everything else, and usually at a fraction of the price we would pay up North. That which we can't find, we usually discover we don't really need anyway.

Buena suerte on your move!


Peter


Mar 20, 2010, 11:50 PM

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The several kitchen items I mentioned at other times here that I was glad I brought are my KitchenAide Mixer with dough hook (and other useful accessories), spice and coffee grinders, and side-opening type can opener. These items I use very often and are either difficult to find here or are very expensive or both.


Papirex


Mar 21, 2010, 12:12 AM

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Re: sheets and bed sizes here. I'm not sure, but I think that twin and full sized beds are the same size in México as in The US. Full sized beds are called “matrimonial” beds here. King sized beds are the same width, but they are 5 inches shorter than US sized kings. I don't know the size of queen sized beds here, they are kind of rare here anyway.


We have never had a problem finding good quality towels here, my wife is a Mexicana and she knows where to find good stuff. Wash cloths are hard to find though. We use a long, open mesh cloth instead. I can't think of the name for them right now and my wife is in México City for a couple of days, so I can't ask her right now. Those cloths are great, I have been using them for many years now, even in The United States before I retired and moved down here permanently. They are long, and great for scrubbing my back in the shower.


Besides usually lower quality, and low thread count sheets here, it is too often hard to find fitted sheet sets with bottom fitted sheets with deep enough corner pockets to stay on a mattress, especially pillow top mattresses.


We had a problem with the bottom fitted sheets slipping off of our Mexican king sized pillow top bed until I made a trip NOB and bought a couple of sets of high thread count, Egyptian cotton sheets 3 years ago, they are a little longer than they need to be for our bed, but they fit OK. I also bought two sets of 4 of those elastic straps with a metal clip on the end of them to use to hold ill fitting sheets at the corners on a mattress without slipping off. I bought two cards of four of them in a Wal-Mart up there. I thought it would be better to have them and not need them, than it would be to need them and not have them.


You can find just about anything you want, or need here if you keep looking. Many people often ask where they can find a salad spinner in México. They are not often available here, but if you keep looking, you will find one. Just this month, the Costco here in Cuernavaca has them on sale (offerta) with a $60 Peso discount. Here they are called a “escurridor giratorio para ensalada”. My suegra bought one a few years ago in México City.


Bring what you can't live without even for a short time. As others have written, many mundane things are much more expensive here than they are NOB, but with patience and diligence you can find everything you want here. We sold, or gave away almost everything when we moved down here from Alaska.


Do not bring a DVD player bought in The US down here, it will not play any region 4 DVDs bought in México. If you bring any DVDs bought in the US for region 1, they will not play on most of the DVD players bought here, we bought a LG brand multi-region DVD player at Costco here, it will play DVDs formatted for any region in the world. We never worry about the region codes now, but only which languages and subtitles are on the disk. There are many other brands of multi-region DVD players available here. Read this: http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/dvd3.htm


Besides many American brands, very good coffee is produced in México, particularly in Chiapas state. It is most practical To buy the beans at a coffee specialty shop, and have them ground there. Commercially bagged coffee often contains unknown “fillers” and is often not 100% coffee grounds.


If you happen to like canned Boston baked beans, bring a few cans with you. The only place I have ever found them here was at the Superlake grocery store in the Lake Chapala area, we even tried ordering some from Texas at a specialty store in México City, no go. I have never found any navy beans, and molasses is hard to find here, so making our own baked beans for a barbeque is not a viable solution.


If you happen to have a down comforter, or any warm wool blankets, bring them with you. Don't forget to bring your winter coats with you too.


To avoid a prison sentence, you should adopt 2 dogs (or 4 cats) within one year of moving here.


Rex
"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo


Anonimo

Mar 21, 2010, 5:33 AM

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I just want to make a general comment that I fervently hope that this discussion doesn't devolve into one of thoese oh-so-common ones about "What we miss from NOB and can't find here."

It often begins with a mention of crunchy you know what spread.

This is not the United States nor Canada, and it's a wonderful place to focus on what the country has to offer us that's different, not what we are accustomed to NOB.
Yes, I, too, have my special "needs", but in the end, I could live without most of them, if necessary.

Well this post voids my new signature, so I'll sign it with my old:

"Cada loco con su tema"

saludos,
Anonimo


robt65

Mar 21, 2010, 5:43 AM

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Hello Cookj5,

I have read everyone's reply and you asked the question of what people really miss. They all have tried to tell you, including myself. Of course everyone has a different set of priorities. Believe me, you think you won't miss these things now, with the impending trip and all but there will come a time when you will for sure miss them. And wait for the sticker shock when you do go to buy them again in Mexico. I guess if I had to pare my list that I gave you, to let's say one item, it would definitely have to be the good set of kitchen knives including the meat scissors. Chicken is used here for many, many dish's. I never thought I would use these good knives so much. All of this also depends upon where you will be landing, to set you roots. Maybe you will be close enough to the border (day or so drive) that you will prefer to make a trip once in awhile to NOB and get what you will surely kick yourself for leaving behind at a store. Make sure that you leave with a brand new set of very excellent set of tires for that Subaru. I priced a set for my Tahoe and they were more than twice as much as in the USA. You WILL need them for the roads of Mexico. I am sometimes a pretty stubborn old Irishman, but I sure wished I had listened more to what these "old times" told me more. THEY WERE RIGHT AND EXPIERENCE TALKS. Have you thought of buying a very small trailer? Your Subaru will do that well without any problem.

Have a safe and fun trip.

Robert


Anonimo

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Have you thought of buying a very small trailer? Your Subaru will do that well without any problem.


Apart from ability to haul a trailer (I'll take robt65's word on that), I'm under the possibly mistaken impression that if you haul a trailer, as we did, your trailer will be linked to your motorized vehicle in terms of import permits, and your life will be more complicated in that respect.

Our 8 X 12 cargo trailer came in on our vehicle import permit, but has served as a storage shed in the back yard for the last 4 years. The fees may be greater, if that matters.

What happens if we want to travel NOB in the van? (although an unlkely scenario for us.); or if we wish to nationalize our Windstar van? Will the trailer be permanently attached to the import permit, and we'd have to haul it with us?

Saludos,
Anonimo


robt65

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Morning Anonimo,

Nice to see you again.

Your Quote (Our 8 X 12 cargo trailer came in on our vehicle import permit, but has served as a storage shed in the back yard for the last 4 years. The fees may be greater, if that matters.)

I have a 18 foot two axle cargo trailer and you are correct it does cost more to bring it in. The last time (this past December) it cost me $35 USD additional. You are correct it is coupled to your vehicle. However I have made two trips across the border to do some shopping only with my Tahoe and as long as it is for a few days at most, I had no problem at all leaving or returning to Mexico. I kept my permit sticker on the window and it was only checked upon re-entering Mexico. I simply told them the trailer was being repaired in Mexico and that was that. If I was going to be away for more than a couple of days I would not leave the trailer in Mexico due to the permit. I don;t know what would happen upon a return with only the tow vehicle.

I also had to stop at the customs and immigration station about 40 miles inland on the way to C. D. Victoria and again was asked and told them the same thing. No problem again. I don;t know for sure what the real rules are and again like everything else it all depends on the people at the border. "Never the same answer twice" by the same Mexican federal employees. The only thing for sure is that nothing is for sure.

Robert


Gringal

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Here's a couple more: Underwear. You can buy it at the Liverpool stores, but bring plenty of the kind you like since you won't find it here. Speaking of which, it's really hard to find a small folding clothes dryer.....and I missed mine when I realized I didn't want my panties twisting in the wind on the rooftop line for all to see.

If you have a cast iron frying pan...bring that, but Costco has an excellent selection of Bialetti Italian cookware. Very substantial. You mentioned that yours was tired, and I think you'd find the Costco ware satisfactory. All small appliances are available there and many Walmarts are also getting sprinkled around Mexico along with Home Depots. Costco and Liverpool stores also have "good enough" US. brand sheets and towels. I found that life was completely bearable without 600 thread count Egyptian cotton sheets. lol.

There is a knife factory in Sayula where you can find very fine knives, and the family does travel to the various big craft fairs around Central Mexico.

Banking: Read Rollybrook's site about these details of life before you come here. You'll find it extremely helpful.

Health matters: Think about your individual situation and read the threads on getting meds here. For some, their health issues become a big stumbling block to happily living in Mexico. How about health insurance? Getting regular care? Bear in mind that you can't use Medicare while in Mexico. Again, check Rollybrook's site.

About the crunchy peanut butter, etc. My advice about those "favorites" is ........just let it go. There are so many good things to eat that you CAN'T get in the States. Enjoy them. I also think a good "forgettery" is useful in Mexico.
It's very different here in ways that are hard to describe. I don't know what your future travel agenda will be, but those who have one foot in the States and another in Mexico never really settle in. Love the one you're with, and you'll have a great time. Welcome.


Papirex


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Anonimo, we too brought a small enclosed cargo trailer with us many years ago on our last trip when moving here. A notation was simply written in ink on the back of the permit for the vehicle that was towing it, so it was tied to that permit.


We temporarily imported two vehicles a couple of years apart. We nationalized both of them a few years ago under two different vehicle “amnesties.” The amnesties happen on an irregular basis, and there may never be another. When we nationalized the van that had the trailer tied to it, I asked if the trailer would still be in the computers as temporarily imported. I was told that it would not be. We imported both cars before the import records were computerized, so no records exist about the trailer anymore in México.


We have since then sold the van that towed the trailer here. The trailer now has no paperwork showing that it is in México legally, I couldn't care less. When I probably eventually dispose of it, I will simply remove the expired Alaska license plate on it.


The vehicle amnesties are intended primarily to legalize cars that have been illegally imported by Mexican citizens, those illegally imported cars are called “chocolates.” Legally imported cars may also be nationalized during an amnesty period. We benefited by being able to nationalize two different American registered cars under two different amnesties, very, very cheaply. The vehicle amnesties are always opposed by the automobile dealers and often become a national political issue.


There may be another amnesty in 5 or 10 years, and maybe never. There is often a lot of publicity when an amnesty is declared, sometimes none. No one knew about the second amnesty we used until the amnesty period was over, we found out about it accidentally.


We still have that trailer, we are using it as a bodega. Almost every tradesman and relative that has seen it wants to buy it. I will have no trouble disposing of it eventually, there are a couple of relatives here that have businesses that want it, I will probably give it to one of them.


Rex
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(This post was edited by Papirex on Mar 21, 2010, 12:59 PM)


La Isla


Mar 21, 2010, 10:57 AM

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...those who have one foot in the States and another in Mexico never really settle in. Love the one you're with, and you'll have a great time.


As one who´s settled in Mexico City and flies to the States maybe twice a year, I've always felt this to be true. But maybe Gringal and I are being a bit too harsh on those who live near the border and like to travel back and forth several times a year (or even more often). Comments from both sides of this argument (and border) are welcome!


Gringal

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I don't mean to be harsh. People have different reasons for visiting the States often. Family contacts are good ones. Our family is scattered all over the U.S. and fortunately, are willing to take the opportunity to visit us here, thus having an adventure as well as a visit.

I primarily am referring to those who feel that they need to do their major shopping there, rather than getting used to what's here.
When we first went house-hunting, many of the expat homes looked like they were in a U.S. space-warp, with nary a hint of Mexico. Some enclaves are downright surreal. ("Are you sure we're not still in Kansas?") Hound Dog has a field day on that theme and it is an exaggeration, but there is truth there, too.

I'm always amused by the soup aisles at our local gringo-friendly store, Superlake in Ajijic, where on one side of the aisle are Campbells soups, made in the USA and on the other, Campbells made in Mexico. The ones from the States are quite a bit more expensive. I like the Mexican version. And so on.

We left CA six years ago and have never returned at all. We probably wouldn't recognize the place. Friends say it's getting tense everywhere because of worries over the economy. I miss the scenery along the Big Sur Coast and that's it. Viva Mexico!
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