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johnnyhan

Jan 26, 2010, 1:51 PM

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My nonprofitagency, Alianza, Inc., has begun raising funds to establish small radio stations in the state of Oaxaca tyo enable indigenous people in small communities to better communicate.



Hound Dog

Jan 27, 2010, 1:33 PM

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My nonprofitagency, Alianza, Inc., has begun raising funds to establish small radio stations in the state of Oaxaca tyo enable indigenous people in small communities to better communicate.

Just because we correspondents live in Southern Mexico does not mean we just arrived on the rutabaga truck. Sell your elixir back in Utah.

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RickS


Jan 27, 2010, 1:42 PM

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Dawg, I see that you "Edited" your remarks after posting..... too bad you didn't go one tab to the right of Edit and "Delete" it.


Hound Dog

Jan 27, 2010, 3:10 PM

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Profound thinking Rick. Dawg corrected the spelling of the word "elixir" having incorrectly spelled the word as "elixer". Perhaps I missused the word altogether. What I was trying to convey to the OP was that radio transmissions in rural Oaxaca State and Chiapas as well as other parts of Southern Mexico are already the primary means of communication among folks hereabouts and locals do not need help from "non-profit" NGOs run by Utah opportunists in order to communicate with each other. interlopers posing as town cryers and imposing foreign religious or political dogma on people they fail to understand subsidized by corrupt U.S. tax laws are the essence of indecent U.S. interference seeking to turn Southern Mexicans and Central Americans into U.S. clones. Stay out of my backyard and I'll stay out of yours.


Hound Dog

Jan 27, 2010, 3:24 PM

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My nonprofitagency, Alianza, Inc., has begun raising funds to estab lish small radio stations in the state of Oaxaca tyo enable indigenous people in small communities to better communicate.

Damn! The more I read this the more irritated I become. Please - someone tell me I am missreading this seemingly arrogant message. This fellow is going to "...enable indigenous people in small communities (in Oaxaca State)to better communicate."

If I am not mistaken, the white manīs burden ended with the last moron who grabbed a seat on that helicopter flying out of Saigon in the 1970s.

Let it go. Itīs over.


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Hound Dog

Jan 28, 2010, 7:32 AM

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Further to this subject.

Every year we spend at least a few weeks in Teotitlan Del Valle, Oaxaca, a Zapoteco village famous for its carpets about 30 kilometers east of Oaxaca City. We are fortunate to have friends there and are privileged to spend time with families in that village whenever we desire to do so which is as often as possible.

This posting is about intercommunication among Zapoteco villagers in Oaxaca State and the notion that communications among various villages can be improved by foreigners introducing radio signal interrelationships to, supposedly, improve inter-village understanding and, perhaps, harmony.

Teotitlan Del Valle sits in a valley about 20 kilometers from and approximately 4,000 feet below another Zapoteco village known as Benito Juarez and both of these villages have been there long before the arrival of the Spanish so the folks and their ancestors for countless generations pretty much know or knew each other. Access to either village is over a mountain dirt road easiliy passable normally in about 30 minutes or less. During our last visit to Teotitlan we asked our host, a prominent Teotitlan village elder, to accompany us in our car to Benito Juarez so we could enjoy the magnificent view of the valley from a mirador above that village. The mirador is in a state park with a gated entrance about a kilometer or so beyond the village of Benito Juarez and the park is manned by a state park employee.

As we approached Benito Juarez which we had to traverse in order to reach the mountaintop public park, we were detained by citizens of Benito Juarez and our host, an important Teotitlan elder and civic functionary, was told by the folks of Benito Juarez that we could drive no farther but would have to park our car, which, incidentally, was not his car but our car with Jalisco plates, at that point and proceed on foot quite some distance to the park.

This we did and OK, I know this is a boring story but here is the point. Had we, as foreign residents of Chiapas or Jalisco, desired to traverse Benito Juarez in order to visit the state park, there would have been no controversy at all. However, for reasons beyond our discernment, the elder and civic leader from Teotitlan was dissuaded from proceeding by the citizens from Benito Jurarez blocking access to the village. There were rules of procedure we could not fathom but we had no intention of violating them. We got to see the park but we played by their rules whatever those rules governing interrelationships among the indigenous of Teotitlan and Benito Juarez might have been.

Not our rules. Not our game.

Radio communications established by foreigners, indeed.


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geri

Jan 29, 2010, 6:24 AM

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From what I understand by talking to people familiar with village life is that the villagers really don't want to talk to one another. The mountain villagers in Oaxaca keep very much to themselves, are tightly-knit communities (more like families actually). I think someone has been distributing radios up into the mountains for several years now. Not sure of the results. Maybe no results, if they don't have radio stations to broadcast? Dunno.

As I understand it, because of the various indigenous languages, even residents who live in villages fairly close to each other do not speak the same language. (I'm talking about villages outside the Central Valleys. The ones within an hour of Oaxaca are changing fast). I imagine the radio stations will be broadcast in Spanish and the more educated, younger people can understand Spanish. Things need to change, I guess, but I DO hope that the folks making the change understand and appreciate the way of life they will be changing and how.

Then, there's the question of where the government stands on all this. More than 300 villages in the state of Oaxaca are governed by Usos y Costumbres, further indication of their intense desire to be autonomous. I'm not judging whether this is good or bad, but it IS.

I think Hound Dog is right in his "gut," "intuitive" assessment. So many of the traditions are beyond our comprehension. Foreigners who have it all figured out amaze me!!! Makes life interesting here for sure.


Hound Dog

Jan 29, 2010, 7:53 AM

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Thank you for those comments geri. We have been here in Chiapas part of every year since 2006 and the longer we are here the less we know but just not knowing and realizing that fact is the beginning of wisdom. I donīt mean to be rude to people seeking to help others but so many people come into places such as Oaxaca State and Chiapas thinking they are being helpful and leaving a wake of crap behind that I am reminded that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And, you are right that it is not necessarily a forgone conclusion that folks from neighboring villages are desirous of establishing radio communications. Theyīve lived adjacent to each other for countless generations before radio was even invented and have established protocols but that does not mean that they admire each other. I say leave them alone. Take care of your own town.

I can tell by your observations that you pay careful attention to your surroundings. Had you been with me on that mountain in Benito Juarez that day you would have easily seen that you could have cut the tension between the Teotitlan and Benito Juarez folks with a knife.


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mexijo

Feb 23, 2010, 6:26 AM

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Just a quick note without getting to deep in the discussion:
the indigenous language radio stations in Mexico are financed (and controlled) by the government via the CDI (http://www.cdi.gob.mx).
They have for many decades served as an instrument of political propaganda.
In the hills of Oaxaca (and many other states) opposition (pirate) radio stations have begun transmitting their view of affairs. They have been repressed by local caziques and state government. Most known is the murder of two young triqui women that worked for one of those alternative radio stations in 2008. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/69254.html
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Vichil

Feb 26, 2010, 7:28 AM

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So someone is financing radio stations to have leftist propanganda counter- balance the establishment propaganda. Great use of money in a place where so many things are needed.
As a foreign resident of Mexico I would not touch this one a ten foot pole.
 
 
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