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robt65

Dec 14, 2009, 4:57 PM

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OK! Now that I know there are a number of you who have a Christmas or two under your belts SOB . . . . . . I need you all to educate me a little more.

Is there such a thing as a typical Christmas Dinner or New Years Dinner or different customs that Mexican families practice that are different from our standard Turkey, Ham or Roast Beef with all the trimmings? Please don't tell me Tamales, Tamales or only Tamales! (smiling) Surely there must be some different special dinners for Christmas or the New Year.

Maybe even special presents that are given within the Mexican families and why it is so if there is some significance to them.

Robert


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TlxcalaClaudia

Dec 14, 2009, 6:06 PM

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Seems there was a thread on this just last year.
For my family...no gifts. MIL sometimes gives socks or underwear to the kids though I doubt she will this year.

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Dec 14, 2009, 6:13 PM

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Since the typical Mexican family has neither a special Christmas Day Dinner nor a New Year's Day Dinner, I guess both qualify as practices quite different from el otro lado. Here is a little squib I wrote on why restaurants didn't have special Christmas Eve dinners after an inquiry by a tourist who had at least learned that much about México and its customs.


"The reason you don't see specials for "Christmas Eve Dinner", is that it is a nearly universal "at home" affair in México. Restaurants and many other late-evening places close early so that their employees can enjoy this holiday custom.
"All the ones I have ever been to or hosted have been in private homes, starting around 9 to 10 PM and ending after midnight when Christmas presents are opened. It is a BIG deal. Christmas Day itself is for recuperating and polishing off leftovers and visiting relatives or friends." Here in Mazatlán, I only know of two restaurants having Christmas Eve Dinners and they are hardly traditional, as they end before 10 PM so that the employees can get home for their own family affairs.

Much the same is true of New Year's Eve affairs (including the late dinner) in México. Only the tourist places (and the D.F. night clubs) have what we know of as New Year's Eve parties (these include Mexican tourists as well), and New Year's Eve parties seem to go on much further into the madrugada – wee hours – than Xmas Eve parties; usually far past the bed time of the niños and the viejos, who typically search out an empty spot on a bed, sofa or the floor and leave the really late-night partying to the older/younger bunch.
Since my Mexican family is jokingly self-described as gitanos – gypsies – although based in northern Sinaloa state, it seems as if they have never really developed any particularly special traditional seasonal delicacies/dishes, so I've seen anything from roast turkey (not stuffed, though) to hams, to fresh hams, all other sorts of special out-of-the-ordinary dishes and, of course, often mi suegra la abuelita's – my mother-in-law, grandmother's – special posole or menudo.
The one New Year's Eve custom that seems to cut across all classes and areas of México IS religiously adhered to in my family, though. That's where each person is given a glass (or even a plastic cup) containing 12 grapes, sometimes covered with wine. You're supposed to toast the New Year at midnight, then eat all the grapes for good luck in the coming 12 months.
Although others will probably be able to expand my little story with many local customs from all over México, yes, even tamales, tamales and more tamales in some cases, I think you will find the general outline is much as I have written.
Feliz Navidad y un prospero Año Nuevo hasta Mazatlán, Sinaloa.





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esperanza

Dec 14, 2009, 7:02 PM

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A typical Christmas Eve dinner at home in Mexico can include bacalao a la vizcaína, romeritos en mole, cuete mechado (http://www.mexconnect.com/...-roast-cuete-mechado), and of course, tamales. Drinks before and after this very late, very festive supper include rompope (eggnog), sidra (sparkling slightly hard cider), canela (hot cinnamon tea) or ponche navideño, both often spiked with rum, tequila, or brandy).

More on tamales, with a special thank you to Rolly Brook:
http://mexicocooks.typepad.com/...christmas-tamal.html

New Year's Eve customs are wonderful:
http://mexicocooks.typepad.com/...r-mexican-style.html




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Rolly


Dec 14, 2009, 7:08 PM

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  Here's my Christmas dinner story: http://rollybrook.com/ar-Christmas%2007.htm

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ken_in_dfw

Dec 14, 2009, 7:38 PM

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OMG, Esperanza, por favor, stop! I'm on this blasted Atkins-like diet of grilled/roasted meat and salads. I swear there is no human way to live on 80g of carbs a day. The story about the tamales is about to put me into a diabetic coma. But what a way to go!


Papirex


Dec 14, 2009, 7:40 PM

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Holiday dinners in México vary by region and by an individual families preferences, they will be Mexican dishes but almost certainly not tamales or burros, and they will not usually be turkey or ham dinners as is traditional NOB. My wifes' late father was an American from Texas. He and my suegra (mother-in-law) began their married life in Texas and their first son was born there. My cuñado (brother-in-law) is an American citizen by birth, he has since “regained” his Mexican citizenship because his mother is a Mexican citizen. He is now a dual citizen.


My cuñado was raised in México City until the age of 16. The high school he was attending somehow learned he was not a Mexican citizen at that time and they notified the INMI. They gave him one week to leave the country or he would be deported. He was sent to live with an uncle who was a legal US resident in Alaska. He has lived in The US for 40 years now and he is as American as they come, he is also as Mexican as they come. He is fluent in both English and Spanish. He speaks English with a slight Spanish accent, but he prefers to speak English now. He has worked for Boeing Aircraft in Seattle for over 30 years and he has the second highest seniority of any Boeing union worker. He is layoff proof, and plans to retire to México in a couple of years.


My suegra and my wife have both lived in The US for many years, and both of them love the way holiday turkey dinners are prepared up there. It is a little difficult to find all the ingredients to make a holiday turkey dinner here. Some Mexican restaurants do advertise US style turkey dinners here, but you never know what you will be served. Those dinners are usually delicious, but not the traditional dinners from up north, usually sliced turkey smothered in gravy, no cranberry sauce, and pretty good pumpkin pie with a little drizzle of white cake frosting on it.


This year we tried a Thanksgiving turkey dinner at The Newcomers Club, it is a small group (200 members) of English speaking people here in Cuernavaca. It was served buffet style, there were all of the trimmings, stuffing, pumpkin pie, and 3 or 4 home cooked cranberry sauces. They also had some of the Ocean Spray brand canned jellied cranberry sauce, but no one I saw was eating it with all of the delicious home cooked cranberry sauces. They are not planning on serving a Christmas dinner this year, but we are already planning on eating next years Thanksgiving dinner with them.


There were some meseros (waiters) in the dining room. One of the meseras recognized My wife, Doris, she used to work at a TOKS restaurant near the fraccionimiento where we used to live. Wow! Did we ever get fantastic service then. She brought us extra turkey, pies (tiny slices), juices, coffees, etc. We weren't supposed to tip the meseros, but Doris did slip her a nice tip.


Anyway, to find NOB type holiday dinners down here, you just have to learn the town you are living in, if you are in a tourist area, or Peoria south, it should be no problem. Near the holidays, watch the commercials on the Spanish language TV channels, and read the Spanish language newspaper ads.


The local Sams' Club here was selling very expensive and huge Frozen turkeys imported from The US before Thanksgiving. They were probably an average weight of about 35 or 40 pounds each. Besides needing to find all of the other ingredients, and cooking it all, it would have been too much for just the 3 of us.


One restaurant here gave us a menu for take home parquets of dinners for Christmas and New Years dinners, mostly beef or pork entrées. The problem with them is that the smallest paquet is for 10 persons, the largest is for 25 people. While we have had many house guests over the holidays in the past, we don't plan to have any this year. We will probably have our Christmas dinner this year at one of the pricey, but elegant dinner houses here, where they cater to foreign tastes, and they know how to make a good dry Gin Martini, Doris always makes me drink a few of them when we go to a nice place. I order them to be polite, and I try to resist drinking them, but I am weak.


Gifts are not usually given at Christmas, but on Three Kings Day on January 6th, it commemorates the arrival of the three wise men bearing gifts for the baby Jesus. Everyone is supposed to leave a shoe in the living room when they go to bed the night before 3 Kings Day. The gifts will be in the shoe in the morning. Any gift too big to fit in the shoe will be beside it.


My cuñado in Seattle taught his American kids to observe the gift giving on Three Kings Day.


Rex
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mazbook1


Dec 14, 2009, 8:16 PM

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Rex, the gifts on 3 Kings' Day may be common still in many areas of México, but as early as a Christmas Eve Dinner that I was invited to (by a thoroughly Mexican family-NO U.S. connection at all-I had met their son in Australia) in 1958 in Mexico City, the gift-giving after midnight on Christmas Eve was beginning to take hold. I was quite surprised, since at this time the traditional Spanish families in New Mexico still practiced the 3 Kings' Day routine (and the kids did a sort of trick-or-treat thing for candies and other dulces on Xmas Day, something also still done in parts of México, but another tradition that is dying out).


Hound Dog

Dec 15, 2009, 6:35 AM

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In our neighborhood in San Cristobal de las Casas, the 3 King day´s is a big deal for the kids. The adults exchange a few presents on Christmas day but have huge parties, including gifts for the kids on 3 king´s day. The food tamales and of course a rosca..

The Bacalao Viscayna: I have heard a lot about and seen a lot of dried cod in the store while in Mexico but thank Goodness no one has ever offered it to us here yet. My Basque amatchi made it often and I have to say it is a dish I never acquired a taste for...


Last New Year we and partied and danced until the morning around a fire outside. A birria was served along lots of beer and Tequila. (Somewhere in AJijic)
Brigitte


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gpkgto

Dec 15, 2009, 8:59 AM

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"don't tell me Tamales, Tamales or only Tamales! (smiling)"

Tamales (and pozole) are incredibly labor intensive when made by hand. They are VERY special and should not be slighted as a treat for special events.


Peter


Dec 15, 2009, 9:14 AM

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Noche Buena, Christmas Eve, is celebrated here often with a huge fiesta including band, dancing, etc. Throughout the month of December it is common to see Nativity scenes set up. One neighbor/friend emptys her living room of sofa, tables, and the rest and builds an elaborate nativity decoration that takes up the whole room.

Bacalao, pozole, tamales seem to be some of the favorite foods for Noche Buena dinner which some wait until midnight to serve. Hot ponche is the most common drink for the season, outside of beer. It is common to see various bonfires in the street all night with neighbors wandering along the streets greeting other neighbors and called over to share the warmth of the fire and whatever bebidas are happening at that particular spot before continuing on to the next gathering up the street.
The younger crowd keeps the fires going all night with music blasting. Fireworks, fire crackers, and gunshots are common sights and sounds this night. The music and beer continues throughout the night usually ending just after daybreak when the party breaks up. Grandma is up about then and is found sweeping up the street in front of the family home picking up the beer cans and shoveling away the cinders left from the fires.

Different homes, towns, colonias, or whatever have different traditions for Xmas Eve but what I described is a big part of what you may observe this night here in Mexico.


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Papirex


Dec 15, 2009, 10:02 AM

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I'm with you on the Bacalao Bridgette. Just about everyone in my wifes' Mexican family likes it and my suegra always makes some for the holidays. They serve it as 'Or duerves (sp?) so it is easy for me to pass on it. Except for Halibut, Tuna and Red Snapper, I am not too fond of eating fish anyway.


Rex
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La Isla


Dec 15, 2009, 12:53 PM

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Throughout the month of December it is common to see Nativity scenes set up. One neighbor/friend emptys her living room of sofa, tables, and the rest and builds an elaborate nativity decoration that takes up the whole room.

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It's heartening to know that not all Mexicans are in thrall to the mighty Christmas tree and still put up nacimientos in their homes!


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It's heartening to know that not all Mexicans are in thrall to the mighty Christmas tree and still put up nacimientos in their homes!
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My religious leanings are pagan, the yule log traditions pre-dating any christian color to the event. For that reason these all-night baccanalias I find quite suitable. I do the x-mas tree at home and am not out of step with the locals if I don't say much about it. Easter, having common root word with estrus, estrogen, etc., being a spring fertility celebration I'm good with eggs, bunnys, and the whole bit, but those things are just now creeping into local customs. I'm more together with easter here being the time when people quit their 40-day sacrifice and the taco stands once again re-open on Friday nights.

I don't think Dia de los Muertos is entirely christian but it is kind of given that spin and now morphs easily with Halloween. Being an old-time Dead Head, keeping Katrinas around the house doesn't seem strange to me or my neighbors if I don't call much attention to them. I'm glad to see that old pagan traditions are still carried on and generally provide the "fun stuff" for the festivities, whatever color we paint them now.


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Papirex


Dec 15, 2009, 2:23 PM

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Every year my wife puts up a Christmas tree, and her mother clears off a telephone desk and puts up a Nativity scene. When I lived in Alaska, two of my biggest friends were two Dachshund brothers that adopted me.


About three years ago after my suegra had put up the nativity set, I put a little statuette of a dachshund in it. (There is a big soft spot in my heart for Dachshunds.) My suegra laughed and said she had never seen a dachshund welcoming the baby Jesus before. I told her that they are Gods creatures just like we are and she left him there. I got away with it that time, but I haven't put him back since then.


Rex
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esperanza

Dec 15, 2009, 5:18 PM

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Rex, that's really funny!

Years ago, a close friend of mine visited a Mexican crafts fair and saw a nacimiento she loved. When she ordered one made for herself, she told the artisan, "Quisiera que tenga una abeja, por favor. Sí se puede?" She thought he looked at her strangely, but he gladly agreed to carve one especially for her.

When she picked it up a few weeks later, this is what she got. Notice the huge winged creature at the right in the photo.

Of course you can guess what she thought she said--not abeja, but oveja...




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Papirex


Dec 15, 2009, 8:07 PM

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Gee, it looks like a typical flying sheep with wings to me ;-)


Rex
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