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RickS


Oct 28, 2009, 12:00 PM

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....but that ain't gonna happen unless they expell me.....

Dawg, I have another thought. You might consider firing Don Herradura Blanco or at least ban him from using your keyboard. That way, only the bright, intelligent and humorous Dawg will be presented to his masses. Just a thought.


RickS


Oct 28, 2009, 12:05 PM

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joannar, many (most?) of us don't know much about Chiapas in general and probably nothing about Chiapa de Corzo. Your enthusiasm for it (I am absolutely in love with Chiapa de Corzo!) makes me want to know more. Can you enlighten us por favor?


joannar

Oct 28, 2009, 7:37 PM

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Good question I suppose. I used to ask myself that, too. One of the big factors for me staying so long in Chiapas is my husband. He is from Tuxtla, so this is where we settled. We met in San Cristobal, but had to leave if we wanted to make a decent living. We went to Tuxtla, which I didn´t like at first. One weekend he took me to Chiapa de Corzo, just so happened to be a weekend in January where one of the most spectacular festivals takes place, and I was blown away. The feel to the place was so friendly, full of culture, and loads of partyiers! I basically decided that day that I did not want to work for any more language schools and I slowly started working on my husband to make the big move to a small town.

Pretty much that same feeling has stayed with me whole time I have lived here (going on 11 years, 13 years in Mexico). I have such friendly neighbors, students, parents of students, homestay families, etc. Not to say that there are down sides, the heat being one. But the only time of year I complain is April. It is safe, my kids can play in the street all afternoon. I feel a real strong sense of community. Everyone knows everyone ( can be good and bad). I feel like it is a place that can truly benefit from loads of tourism, but I am so glad that it doesn´t! Like Lonely Planet says, it is an "undiscovered jewel".


colibri1

Oct 30, 2009, 5:51 AM

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What do they have in the way of Artesanias or Amber?


Carron

Oct 30, 2009, 8:56 AM

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Lots and lots of both!!!! Definitely worth a trip and a stay.


colibri1

Oct 30, 2009, 10:28 AM

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Thanks Carron,
So the best time to go would be in winter?


joannar

Oct 31, 2009, 1:01 PM

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As far as artensania from Chiapa de Corzo I have to say that the best stuff is wood working and lacquer painting, that stuff is from here. There are some stores that sell amber, but I think there is a bigger and better selection in San Cristobal and Simojovel. There is embroidery also from here, not my favorite. Definitely come here to see the different workshops that are around, that will give you an idea of what stuff you can buy. I still think San Cristobal is cheaper, and probably has a bigger variety, but it depends on what you are looking for.


Hound Dog

Oct 31, 2009, 2:09 PM

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Carron writes:

I am absolutely in love with Chiapa de Corzo.

One of the great towns anywhere. Forget San Cristóbal de Las Casas. Find me a modest home overlooking the Rio Grijalva near the town center of Chiapa and Dawg is in heaven. Unfortunately, Dawg has yet to find this place although I know people who do live there, Mexicans only, and man are those places fabulous in a ratty sort or way.

For those of you who presume my love is limited to the mountain valley town of San Cristóbal, let me assure you either you are mistaken or I have communicated poorly or both. Chiapas in all of its different and glorious manifestations is Dawg´s love. The place defies description unless you have been there.


(This post was edited by Hound Dog on Oct 31, 2009, 3:57 PM)


joannar

Nov 23, 2009, 5:51 AM

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So, does anyone know the specifics of what the new Conejobus in Tuxtla is all about? Some have told me that the new busses will be environmentally friendly, but I can´t seem to be able to get a decent answer. Maybe this goes toward Tuxtla being an ecologically friendly city.


Maritsa


Nov 23, 2009, 9:07 AM

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I put my hombre on a plane last Saturday from Norfolk to Mexico City. I drove a 16 ft Penske truck to NJ with most of my stuff this weekend. Now I am sitting in my living room with a chair and a table and my computer, tying up loose ends before I go back to NJ to live with my mother and help her out. I am hoping to get everything in order and move to Chiapas with Timoteo, but it will take a little time and I have to pay off my truck so I can sell it. With all of the BS going on with Obama and the US about ready to fall into disaster, I am ready to move to the mountains and watch the outcome from afar. I'd rather grow tomatoes and raise chickens than work my ass off to give everything to the government. I was a single mom and worked and never took welfare or free cheese, so I am really sick of watching everyone stand with their hand out, waiting for someone else to take care of them.


ken_in_dfw

Nov 23, 2009, 10:30 AM

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I too am ready to move to Mexico and watch the show from a distance. And like you, Maritsa, I have worked since I was 16, putting myself through college, paying off my college loans and never accepting a hand-out.

The thing is, these days, with a couple hundred billion going here to AIG, another couple hundred billion there going to Goldman Sachs, and a few hundred billion going to GM, pretty soon you're talking real money. And it seems to be the big corporations who have their hands out. The people I know, whether in Mexico or in El Norte, do just fine when they can get a job.


Maritsa


Nov 23, 2009, 11:14 AM

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Ken: I went to my 40th class reunion this weekend, and it really made me stop and think. I thought back to the sixties when we protested the war in Vietnam, when we were fighting for civil rights, etc. I remember people saying, "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem". I was very idealistic then, thought we had time, thought I would be one of those people who would implement change. But life got in the way and I left that job to others. Now I wonder if the solution is to move somewhere else, or stay and try to be part of the solution. I was never involved in politics - I thought that was the job of elected officials. Obviously, the elected officials are not concerned for the most part about the good of the people. They are looking out for themselves. I never was much interested in making a lot of money or manipulating the system, so I lived my life, worked, paid my taxes, obeyed the law, raised my children to the best of my ability and didn't get involved.

Many of my classmates have done well, and are obviously very comfortable now. I am not in that position. Was I stupid or simply different? I don't know. I think the pendulum has swung drastically in the opposite direction. In my youth I was concerned about racism and civil rights. Things needed to be changed so that everyone would have equal rights and opportunities. But people who have been on welfare for generations, don't know how to work, how to be responsible. Are we going to feed the people or teach them how to fish, so they won't go hungry? Now the pendulum has swung to the other side, where people think that they are somehow "entitled" to money, housing, child care, food, etc. I believe that people should have the right to work and raise their families, not expect to be handed everything.

I am in love with a Mexican man and want to be with him, as we are both older and don't know how long we have at this point. Yet Mexico does not permit people to enter its country and work, while the US has millions of Mexicans who want to stay here and prosper. If the US wants to get rid of indocumentados, OK, but then the government should say. "If you get a check every month, the bus will pick you up every morning and you will pick tomatoes, or dig potatoes, or wash windows, or clean up the streets, and then you will get your check. Enabling people to continue to be dependent on the government is not a good thing for anyone. And I don't think this is too much to ask. I have cleaned toilets, picked up garbage and done other menial tasks, as have many people who have pride and are willing to work. To sit around and resent those who have more money than I do, and think that they owe me is ridiculous.

I believe the US is in for some terrible times from which it may never recover if people are not willing to take responsibility for themselves. Do we stay and try to change it, or do we run to Mexico and badmouth the US from afar? I think that may be a cop out. Some people on this forum may badmouth the US and judge it, but that's the easy way out, as far as I am concerned. I have been to Mexico, but I am not an expert as some claim to be - at the same time, I know that Mexico is far from being paradise. Many people go to Mexico and try to turn it into the US, just as many tourists come to the Outer Banks because they love the way it is, and then try to turn it into NJ. The pioneers who settled in Texas fought and died for what they believed in, mixed with and learned to live with the Mexicans, built their lives on hard work and determination. They didn't run away.

So I am having a hard time right now trying to figure out what to do.

Barbara


Rolly


Nov 23, 2009, 11:54 AM

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"Yet Mexico does not permit people to enter its country and work."

That is not true. A foreigner can work in México, and many do. There are restrictions and paperwork, but it is possible to work here.

Rolly Pirate


Rolly


Nov 23, 2009, 11:58 AM

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Please, folks, remember this is not the place for discussing USA politics. Lets keep it about México.

Rolly Pirate


Maritsa


Nov 23, 2009, 12:09 PM

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I am certainly not one who knows a lot about politics, but we all know that the US and Mexico sure have a long history, and we are very intertwined. I understand where you are coming from. I'm just trying to sort it all out.


Maritsa


Nov 23, 2009, 12:17 PM

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I know that many people work in Mexico. I just don't know how to do that yet. I was just commenting on my experience with Mexican workers in the US, and comparing it with the strict laws that apply to Americans in Mexico, as compared to Mexicans working in the US. It's easy to badmouth the USA, but Mexico certainly has its own issues.

I enjoy this forum the best because we can talk about so many diverse issues.


esperanza

Nov 23, 2009, 12:29 PM

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Maritsa, it's a lot more difficult for a Mexican to work legally in the United States than it is for a foreigner to work legally in Mexico. Of course there are some hoops to jump through and some money to lay out, but it's far from impossible to get working papers here.

Do you read Spanish? You might want to have a look here: http://www.sre.gob.mx/...ios/visas/extran.htm. Read the part under the heading ¿Qué debo realizar si deseo obtener un permiso para trabajar en México?




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Rolly


Nov 23, 2009, 12:40 PM

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You'll find information about working papers here: http://rollybrook.com/workingfm3.htm

There's lots more in the website about moving to México.

Rolly Pirate


RickS


Nov 23, 2009, 7:23 PM

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Esperanza, would you expound on your premise that, "it's a lot more difficult for a Mexican to work legally in the United States than it is for a foreigner to work legally in Mexico"?


Zarcero

Nov 23, 2009, 7:33 PM

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I have had no problems getting work in Mexico. Pemex is a client from time to time.
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