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tonyburton


Oct 18, 2009, 1:39 PM

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Spanish toponyms (place names)

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Just added to the site is my attempt at an article about Mexico's toponyms (place names), some of which are derived from Nahuatl and other indigenous languages, and some of which derive from Spanish.
See http://www.mexconnect.com/...s-and-their-meanings.
Comments, criticisms and suggestions welcomed...



Manuel Dexterity

Oct 18, 2009, 2:32 PM

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You may want to include pedregal.

And the Nahuatl suffix -tlan can also mean "place" or similar to the English "-land" .


Papirex


Oct 18, 2009, 5:10 PM

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My Mexican wife has also told me that any place name that ends in “tlan” means “land of”. Since there is no word for word translation from one language to another, that is probably fairly accurate.


It was interesting to me that Tony mentioned the “pera”curve on the cuota between us and México City. It is about a 180 degree turn and if you look at a map it is definitely pear shaped.


The original Nahuatl name for Cuernavaca was Cuauhnahuac, which meant “place of great trees”. It is believed locally that the Spanish could not pronounce it easily, so they renamed this place “Cuernavaca” which means “cows horn” in Spanish. A few businesses here still use Cuauhnahuac in their advertising.


The great Moctezuna was born here and established a summer palace here, as did the would be emperor Maximilian. The Spanish conqueror Hernan Cortes established a permanent palace for administering his domain which he had been granted by the Spanish king, and a home to live in. Both still exist, the palace is a museum, and Cortes' home is now a fine restaurant, It is expensive, and definitely a splurge experience to eat there.

It is interesting to dine in a 500 year old building, and putting the native Indians that were virtual slaves out of your mind, to speculate on what may have occurred inside those walls.


If anyone is curious, click here: http://www.clickoncuernavaca.com/History.htm


Rex
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Hound Dog

Oct 19, 2009, 6:54 AM

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In Chiapas many of the villages with Nuevo in front of them usually means that the village was started by refugies , people who were expulsed or left their villages for political or religious reasons. Many of the vilages starting with Nuevo are evangelist versus traditional (Maya) catholic.

Another ending in names of villages there is nango like Aguacatenango or Amatenango place of


tashby


Oct 19, 2009, 10:23 AM

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Nice article, Tony. Thanks.

Doesn't "cuaro" belong on the Indigenous suffix list? (Pátzcuaro, Erongaricuaro, etc.)

Cheers.


tonyburton


Oct 19, 2009, 11:21 AM

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Thanks to all for suggestions so far.
Keep the comments coming and I'll definitely consider them for an updated version of the article in due course.
Note that there are some areas where 'authoritative' historians of place names disagree amongst themselves. In the article, I've tended to exclude those suffixes where there is (according to what I've seen so far) serious academic debate about their meaning, and stick to those where the etymology is supposedly pretty unambiguous.
But I can see a good case, in an expanded article or follow-up piece, to focus on some of these problem areas and present the various alternative possible interpretations.
Thanks again, Tony
 
 
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