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Hound Dog

Oct 10, 2009, 7:20 AM

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My good "electronic" friend Jerezano and communicated with me by private message indicating that I have been unfair to WalMex with my recent messages about my having been pickpocketed in the Ajijic WalMart parking lot. In that message, he stated that Mexicans are not used to secure parking lots. Forgive me, Jerezano, for discussing your private message here publicly but you brought us some good points worth discussing on the open forum.

First of all, I was not criticizing WalMex nor its affiliates, simply the local Ajijic store. We did not desert WalMex and actually simply switched stores as we now shop at WalMex-owned Bodega Aurrera in Jocotepec so don´t get me wrong here. My messages were aimed at warning other locals of the dangers inherent in patronizing that parking lot so that readers would be on the alert at all times there and, if they are smarter than I was, accept no help of any kind from anyone.

Now, as to secure parking. Jerezano does not live in the Guadalajara area as do we part of the year but I can assure the reader that secure parking is not uncommon in Guadalajara at all. As an example. before WalMart opened a store in Ajijic, we often shopped at the WalMart in Plaza Mexico in Guadalajara where there is a pay parking lot which is free for a time if one purchases something at a store there and that fee parking lot is constantly patrolled and, ironically, the only rather than that parking lot to save ten pesos while I visiited a neighborhood doctor. When I returned, my rear view mirrors were gone so in order to save ten pesos, I spent about 1,000 Pesos to replace those mirrors. If Plaza Mexico can secure its parking lot with WalMart as its anchor tenant then WalMart can do it here.

That´s no all. We also live in San Cristóbal de Las Casas, Chiapas, a town that is a den of thieves if there ever was one. When we shop the Chedraui box store there we always know that the parking lot is constantly patrolled by guys affiliated with the store. While we still must remain vigilant, we know these guys provide us with an extra measure of security at all times. I won´t go into the details here but this is not rocket science folks.

Now, I don´t mean to harp on this subject but some readers have, in turn, harped on my irresponsible inattention to my surroundings when I was pickpocketed in the Ajijic WalMart parking lot but listen to this folks. These guys who robbed me are as slick as owl s**t. They are fast and they are accomplished and I have been shopping at boxstores all over Mexioco for almost ten years always on the alert until that one 30 second moment when I decided to be nice to some middle-aged dude who plaintively requested that I allow him to load the groceries in my car. It only takes one time and a few seconds.



Hound Dog

Oct 10, 2009, 2:31 PM

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I apologize for certain errors in the above post since I posted it quickly and lacked the time to review the post. I no longer have the capacity to make corrections due to restrictions imposed by the forum. That´s OK. I just wanted to make it clear that I am not totally insane.

Dawg


belgique


Oct 11, 2009, 5:38 AM

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Dawg, I appreciate your heads-up on this. I'm guilty of becoming less alert in what one thinks are safe surroundings like one of the box stores and the lots. I try to be nice etc and would not have suspected a thing as "nice" locals offered to help at the car or asked a question in the store. My bride becomes a little less attentive with her purse also. Your message is a good warning for anywhere...not just Mexico. There are some big box stores in Richmond that come to mind.

And, these folks are good. In Paris we have to get down right rude and almost violent with gypsy kids that will pluck you faster than Col Sanders does a chicken. 3 of us watched a buddy get his billfold lifted, from his front tight jean pocket on a Paris Metro and none of us saw a thing...we were looking in that direction talking and never saw it...he realized it just as the car doors opened and the miscreant calmly walked away into obscurity.


RickS


Oct 11, 2009, 8:24 AM

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I'm confused... can someone explain to me how a billfold can be 'picked' from a front, tight jean pocket? Or almost any front pocket unless a razor is used to slit the cloth. I always thought I was safe doing that!


belgique


Oct 11, 2009, 9:04 AM

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Beats me but I saw it happen...well I never saw a thing but my buddy had his in tight jeans one minute and gone the next...no cut. I have heard that wrapping the billfold with a heavy rubber band helps. These folks are good!


Jerry@Ajijic

Oct 11, 2009, 9:55 AM

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There are "slim jeans" and "baggy jeans" With "slim jeans" it seems to me it would be very hard for someone to rob you.. With "comfortable' or "baggy" ones it would be much easier. Years ago when I wore "slim" jeans I had a hard time getting my hand into my front pockets and so rarely put anything into them.


belgique


Oct 11, 2009, 10:55 AM

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You gents are right. I made the whole thing up just to get my post count up. No way it could happen. AMF


chinagringo


Oct 11, 2009, 11:03 AM

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With Hound Dog's svelte body, I cannot imagine him wearing anything but "slim jeans"!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Hound Dog

Oct 11, 2009, 11:12 AM

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On Dawg, all jeans are tight fitting jeans and wallets contained therein are a thieve´s delight. When I was a kid that prophylactic made a circle on my jean´s pocket and my dad would say stuff like, "What´s that son?" My how times do change. Today, that circle protruding from my wallet is no longer a rubber but a giant token for the million dollar jackpot at the Lake Missionatawee Indian Casino and, by God, my chances of scoring are still the same. Some things never change.


arbon

Oct 11, 2009, 11:52 AM

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mazatlanlee

Oct 11, 2009, 5:55 PM

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Hey, guys, here's an alternative to loosing your wallets to pickpockets:

http://www.pacsafe.com/www/index.php?_room=3&_action=detail&id=15&features=specification

I've got three Pacsafe bags, and their document organizer for airline travel. Read the descriptions on their web site... these products are really well made. I feel secure walking around with my Pacsafe bag across my body. Good luck!

Lee
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chinagringo


Oct 11, 2009, 6:59 PM

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I am sorry but if I am forced to go to this extent to reduce my chances of being ripped off, then I shouldn't be there in the first place! Kind of like building high walls, installing concertina wire and setting an alarm when I go to bed. And then for good house keeping, I have to sleep with a pistol under my pillow.

Sorry, I haven't ever and won't live in that paranoid state!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Hound Dog

Oct 12, 2009, 6:04 AM

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I am sorry but if I am forced to go to this extent to reduce my chances of being ripped off, then I shouldn't be there in the first place! Kind of like building high walls, installing concertina wire and setting an alarm when I go to bed. And then for good house keeping, I have to sleep with a pistol under my pillow.

Sorry, I haven't ever and won't live in that paranoid state!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM


Well, Neil, I can tell you we just installed sophisticated constantly monitored household alarm systems on both houses we own in Mexico and we also have those high walls. The alarm system costs more than anything some goons could steal in our homes but we also have the systems for personal security purposes. Of course, when we lived down on the bayou on Mobile Bay and then in the deep forest in the Mayacamas Mountains in Sonoma County, California, we had a 12 gauge shotgun and a 38 police revolver next to the bed so, what the hell, believe it or not I feel a hell of a lot safer here in Jalisco and Chiapas then I did in Alabama and California or at least I did before the economy around here and in the U.S. tanked.

Oddly enough, we feel safer in poverty stricken Chiapas than we do at Lake Chapala perhaps because in our neighborhood in San Cristóbal neighbors are committed to each other and stick together while Chapala seems to be coming apart.
Oh, and our extended family members all over France are experiencing increased criminal activity including the threat of home invasions as well. There is no escape.


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RickS


Oct 12, 2009, 8:13 AM

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....while Chapala seems to be coming apart....

Could/would you expound on this further?


Hound Dog

Oct 12, 2009, 10:16 AM

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....while Chapala seems to be coming apart....

Could/would you expound on this further?

Of course, Rick. I thought you would never ask.

First, allow me to oversimplify.

The Chapala municipality is not a cohesive community. Much of the community´s economic lifeblood comes from foreigners living on pensions not subject to economic cycles but the local community prospers or suffers with economic vagaries and their families rise or fall with economic prosperity or hardship. If there ever was a formula for civil unrest if things become too inequitable, that is it.

San Cristóbal de Las Casas is an ancient colonial town and before that it was for centuries a Maya stronghold. The foreign community as at Chapala, seemingly impervious to economic twists and turns, is not a significant factor there. The very rich of Chiapas and the very poor avoid mutual gaze and resultant envy but at Lake Chapala in that community severely effected by foreign, relatively stable capital and cash flows, the clowns in the colonial enclaves become a visible irritant to those in the local community who once fed off their largesse but are now clawing for sustenance with no meaningful income.

Times are always hard in Chiapas and there is no readily discernable community of foreigners who leach off of the limited resources while being funded from abroad without penalty for economic hardship. Therefore, reactions to already hard times are less reactive and violent.

Anyway, that´s the beginniong of Dawg´s trying to explain the unexplainable.

Any input from you guys?



chinagringo


Oct 12, 2009, 5:49 PM

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Bubba:

Since I do not possess the way with words that you do, in hindsight, I did a poor job of explaining myself. Yes, I can see an alarm system especially when one knows they will be gone from their home for extended periods and do have one in our new home plans simply for that reason. But I will not go through the drill of setting it when we are in the house. If I thought that was necessary, then I should not have purchased the lot and built the home in the first place. Since about 1967, I gave up guns and would never own another. Just a personal decision that only has a bearing on myself and I don't care what decisions others make along those lines.
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



sanjuan

Oct 13, 2009, 8:04 AM

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I've seen no signs of Chapala coming apart. I would say the opposite is the case. It is a very vibrant, growing community with progress being made on many fronts.


johanson


Oct 13, 2009, 9:27 AM

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Sadly there are fewer construction jobs available. My general contractor/architect feels very lucky to have a few smaller jobs. His work crews are a little less than 50% of what they were before the crash. At least things seem to be picking up he says.

But there are a lot more folks out of work now than in the past and when asking my Spanish speaking acquaintances, most say the crime rate is but between 20 and 50% depending who you ask. Am I an expert on the subject? No I just know there have been more break in attempts in my neighborhood than any time since 1997 when I moved there.


arbon

Oct 13, 2009, 10:33 AM

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"I've seen no signs of Chapala coming apart. I would say the opposite is the case. It is a very vibrant, growing community with progress being made on many fronts." How long have you lived in the Chapala Municipality
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esperanza

Oct 13, 2009, 11:55 AM

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I've seen no signs of Chapala coming apart. I would say the opposite is the case. It is a very vibrant, growing community with progress being made on many fronts.

Remember, not all change is progress.

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Vichil

Oct 15, 2009, 12:04 PM

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When mason were paid 1200 pesos a week and are now offered 700 and their peones 400 pesos a week, it is not progress.

This is what some of the workers are being offered on these wonderful new projects. It means that people are brought in from outside of the area to do the job , many of the workers are strangers to the area and with them come more crime...

That is the underside of the wonderful new construction going up and the result of the economic crisis if that is progress we may be better off without it.

Interesting since I do not see the pricing of new construction being cut in half...
 
 
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