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Graydon

Sep 12, 2009, 7:58 AM

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Has anyone heard anything about the Indian land grab going on just south of La Placita in Michoacan and making highway 200 risky to drive on. Apparently local Indians have been seizing property along the coast south of La Placita. This seizure also happened to an RV Park .. (Rancho Buganvilias) just recently when masked armed Indians forced the owners off their property. This is not a ejido situation.
Graydon



joaquinx


Sep 12, 2009, 8:08 AM

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I just know that you have more information on this event than you wrote. Where did you hear of this?
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sparks


Sep 12, 2009, 8:11 AM

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If you didn't hear about this on Woodalls RV forum the owners of Rancho Buganvilias have been posting there
http://www.woodalls.com/...ead/tid/23185311.cfm

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Graydon

Sep 12, 2009, 8:19 AM

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There's a lot of posts on RV.Net/forum regarding the land grab and the owners of Rancho Buganvilias contacted me about the closing of the park and sending back my deposit I had made for this season.

Graydon


sparks


Sep 12, 2009, 8:33 AM

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Article
http://www.ww4report.com/node/7614

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Hound Dog

Sep 12, 2009, 5:39 PM

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God, let me think. Are you speaking of the land grab that occurred in the 16th Century? Was there a Highway 200 then?


Graydon

Sep 12, 2009, 6:17 PM

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Reports are that this whole land dispute in Michoacan between the local indigenous indians and other property owners is due to return to the courts. Hopefully both sides will come to an agreement that everyone can live with.

Graydon


Hound Dog

Sep 13, 2009, 3:23 PM

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Graydon:

This sort of dispute over land is commonplace among the idigenous people of Mexico. In fact, in Chiapas, where we maintain a residence, these disputes over land rights, land usage and intercommunity privileges are so common and so violent that these stories hardly make the news outside of local rags except when disputants are foreigners. These disputes, when they flare up, can become extremely dangerous and many are killed before things settle back into civility as before.

The reason this thing on the Michoacan Coast became public in my opinion is because foreigners operating an RV Park were involved. Normally, you would not even hear of the heads chopped off by incensed locals nurturing long held greivances against their brethren except for the fact that the lands of foreigners are being confiscated.

I still remember the B&B and macadamia orchard confiscated by the Zapatistas in Ocosingo a few years ago where the Zapatistas waited until the macadamia trees were in full fruition commercially speaking, confiscated the orchard from the foreign owners and then laid waste to it. If you try to find justice in these social movements, you will go to your grave displeased with humanity.


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colibri1

Sep 13, 2009, 9:36 PM

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Off topic, I know, but just have to ask , since I have the curiosity of a cat....
Houndy...you "maintain a residence"...are you a former police officer, or similar entity?
Your pal,
Colibri 1


Hound Dog

Sep 14, 2009, 7:21 AM

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Colibri:

I presume you are having fun with my language but Jack Webb I ain´t and a cop I´ve never been. Just a simple banker The real reason I said we maintain a residence in Chiapas is that we also maintain a residence at Lake Chapala. These two communities are quite different as you must know so when we get tired of one we just go to the other.

I have been cursed, especially in my youth because I actually did look like a rookie cop in the 1960s which had a tendency to ruin my chosen social life in the Haight in 1967 when I caught that Midnight Flyer out of Birmingham for the Promised Land (thank you Chuck Berry). My southern accent did not help in the least since everyone thought I was Bull Connor in disquise. All the hippie girls I tried to pick up required reassurance that I was not out to arrest them for drug possession when all I wanted to do in those days was score some LSD.


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arbon

Sep 14, 2009, 1:56 PM

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Was LSD the bankers abbreviation of "Libra Solidus Denarius" even on the corner.


Graydon

Sep 14, 2009, 5:46 PM

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Hound Dog..
We might have passed each other in the Haight back in 66-67. I lived on Central Ave just a half block up from the pan handle.
Sure wish I would have kept my Grateful Dead poster collection.

Graydon


colibri1

Sep 15, 2009, 10:04 AM

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ˇQue chistoso!


Hound Dog

Sep 15, 2009, 12:16 PM

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The Michoacan Coast in Mexico was like the Coachella Valley in California or the Oklahoma of the 19th Century or Corsica or the home of today´s Uighurs in China or Seminoles in Florida or the African American community in Selma or the indigenous folks in Chiapas. Some lose and some win. That is life.


Geos

Sep 23, 2009, 4:22 PM

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As George Carlin said, "I'm only disappointed in three things: my country, my religion and my species."


Hound Dog

Sep 24, 2009, 4:54 PM

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As George Carlin said, "I'm only disappointed in three things: my country, my religion and my species."

George Carlin is Dawg´s hero. Another Carlin (more or less):

"Now, our God made us and nurtured us and if we are good according to his precepts, we get to sit at his right side for all of eternity and admire him endlessly and worship him and, presumably, tell him repeatedly ad nauseum how great he is and if we are bad according to his precepts we will burn in hell for all of eternity in utter and unbearable torment and, get this . he loves us."

Talk about a Hobson´s choice.


(This post was edited by Hound Dog on Sep 24, 2009, 4:57 PM)


cristalhombre


Sep 24, 2009, 9:56 PM

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My ALL TIME favorite George Carlin routine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac





"NOT ALL WHO WANDER ARE LOST...."


esperanza

Sep 25, 2009, 2:05 PM

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We have deviated a long way from the original topic. Time to lock it up...




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