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Bloviator

Mar 2, 2008, 3:27 PM

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Last week I had my 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo stolen off the lot of the dealer in San Diego where I had taken it for some warranty work. I am going to post the various things that happen from that event until the whole situation is resolved and/or I kill myself from frustration. The actions I take may be stupid and contradictory or they may be brilliant. I will not claim they are THE way to deal with the situation, but they will be what I am doing to deal with it.

1. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I LEARNED FROM THIS EXPERIENCE. ALWAYS HAVE YOUR STICKER REMOVED BEFORE YOU LEAVE MEXICO.

When I got to the aduana outside Sonoyta and was standing in line to clear the car, the people ahead of me were having a problem because they did not have their title. Since I had not yet received my title from South Dakota, it dawned on me that I would not be able to get a new sticker upon my return if I had it removed. Since I was going for a few days, driving about 40 miles into the US, taking the car to the dealer for repairs, loading a few items to bring back, and then returning, I decided that the risk was minimal and went on to the border - Stupid me.

2. When the car was stolen, we immediately filed a police report. This is essential to any resolution to the situation. Since it took place in CA, our situation is probably different from one who might have their car stolen in Mexico.

3. The dealer at first tried to stonewall us and claim that they had no responsibility for the theft. They told us we would have to wait 30 days and then they would deal with us and most likely reject any claim we might make. Since three of their employees saw the theft take place in an area out of bounds to any but employees and, contrary to company policy, they had left a set of keys in the car, we pointed out that their non responsibility clause - probably unenforcable in a court of law - was trumped by their negiligence in this matter. This, and the threat of an attorney, changed their attitude and they are negotiating with us about replacing the car with a like car or making a financial settlement.

We may have to resort to an attorney, and have consulted with one who is prepared to represent us, but if we do retain him, we will likely end up paying him most of what we settle for. We hope that the situation can be resolved amicably. The attorney agrees, but tells us to constantly remind them that we have an attorney just foaming at the mouth to file a suit. Currently my wife is in CA dealing with the dealer and his attorneys, with whom she seems to have a good rapport.

4. I have met with an agent who will help me process the papers to send to Mexico City to get the car removed from my record so that we can import the replacement car. We have decided to wait at least a week before filing these papers. Our thinking is that if our car is recovered intact, we do not want to have such papers on file. Further, I have been informed by the agent and several other people that filing the papers may never get the car removed from my record without a lot of further dealing with Mexico officials. We realize that any results from this effort will be achieved long after we need to have a new car brought here.

5. Because of the above, we have to either get our 1998 Mercury SUV taken out of the country or get it nationalized in order to replace it with whatever new car we get unless we get a cash settlement and can use the money to buy a Mexican plated car. Since having a Mexican plated car is much more desireous than having a US plated car as far as I am concerned, I am starting the process tomorrow to get the Mercury nationalized. This is a desirable outcome regardless of what happens with the other car - or even if we don't end up with another car.

Therefore, tomorrow I will go to the Guad airport Aduana and try to start the process to get the Merc converted. If that fails, I will go to a border crossing and find an agent to handle the matter. Normally, it would probably be easier to do that, but with the current situation, nationalizing at the border may be somewhat chaotic. Of course, if nationalization of all cars except 1998s ends tomorrow, then it may be a piece of cake.

This is one of the problems in dealing with all things in Mexico including this nationalization situation. I was reliably told Friday by the authorities in Tijuana who deal with importing cars that there was a nationalization program going on currently that ends March 17. Today, I find - thanks to song_of_joy who posted an article on another thread that I started, that only 1998 cars will be allowed in as of tomorrow. Since the only effects on me are the increase in value of my car if the article is correct or the long lines at the border if the aduana official is correct I will have to find out the truth because my actions will be different depending on the situation. My car is a 1998 and is not an import from Japan, which would make it illegal to import.

Summary: So the current situation is: Our 2005 Jeep is gone. We hope to get it back, but if not, we think we'll be reimbursed soon by the dealer. We have two cars on our record and to bring a new one into the country will have to get our Merc nationalized. We will make efforts to get the Jeep off our record, but that is not critical as it is a long term project.

AS THIS SAGA DEVELOPED AND WENDS IT'S WEARY WAY TO A CONCLUSION, IF ANYONE HAS BETTER SUGGESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PM ME OR TO POST YOUR THOUGHTS. AS I SAID ABOVE, MY SOLUTION MAY NOT BE THE BEST OR YOUR SOLUTION, BUT I'M REPORTING WHAT I'M DOING AFTER TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND DOING WHAT RESEARCH I CAN. I HOPE THIS WILL NEVER BE OF VALUE TO YOU AND YOU NEVER HAVE A CAR STOLEN.


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Georgia


Mar 2, 2008, 4:14 PM

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Wow. I wish someone would steal my car. Then I would take the insurance payment, go back to Mexico and buy a Mexican plated car and be done with all these issues once and for all. Other than having my car stolen, I don't think I would part with it - too much of a loss on the depreciation to make it worth just selling it in the US at a loss and replacing it with a Mexican plated car down here at a higher price than it would cost to purchase the same car in the US.


Brian

Mar 2, 2008, 4:36 PM

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Unless things have changed recently, you could just go up to any Tijuana policeman and tell him what happened. Your car is undoubtedly down there now and, for a negotiated sum, he can probably arrange for its return. Remember the scene in the movie "Traffic".

"I think it is time the United States pays attention to Tijuana, now"
Javier Rodriguez Rodriguez...the good cop


Brian


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Bloviator

Mar 2, 2008, 7:45 PM

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Mine was stolen by the only funky white bread car thief in Escondido. Although he might have taken it to Mexico, I doubt it. The insulting thing is that the dealer made it very clear that he was very surprised that my car was stolen as it isn't a very desirable one for resale or parting out.

Georgia - I'm with you 100%. Life would be so much simpler with a Mexican plated car. I hope they give us money and not a comparable car, that I can convince my wife that a Mexican plated car is a better choice, and that I can find one that she likes. The argument against Mex plated cars is that they cost more due to the licensing situation. Considering all the ramifications of licencing and insurance, I'm not sure that is true. Of course, the $47 fee for S. Dakota plates is a real bargain. Maybe that was why the car was stolen. The thief figured I couldn't stay away from the glorious state of SD long enough to follow up on the theft.


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Bloviator

Mar 3, 2008, 5:33 AM

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CHAPTER TWO OF THE EPIC

This morning I'm checking for auto brokers along the border. Evidently they are frantically seeking 1998 cars in good condition from now until the deadline March 18. If I can sell it for a good price - anything over $5K - I will take the money and buy a different car here. I have no problem delivering the car NoB. The problem will be getting sleazy auto brokers to stand behind whatever price they quote me here when I actually trek all the way to the border. Should this work out, it is a simple solution to a major problem.

Later this morning I'm going to Guad to check out what is involved in nationalizing the car here. It is a good car and I'd like to keep it, but must have a Mexican plated car in order to bring in another car. I'm especially grateful to Song_of_Joy, who has given me very explicit directions as to what to do.


Bloviator

Mar 3, 2008, 12:20 PM

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My efforts today were fruitless. I've explained what happened in the discussion of nationalizing autos. Basically, they told me that since my temporary importation sticker was more than six months old, they could not consider nationalizing the car, that I would have to take it back to the border, get the sticker removed, and go through the nationalization process there.

Since there is the March 18 deadline staring imports in the face, I really don't want to have to go there and face the lines and problems of doing so. I'm just about ready to drive to the border, clear the car sticker, and give the car to the first person I see who wants it.

Not wanting to face the lines for nationalization, I went to plan B and have now called auto brokers in both TJ and the Laredo area. The results were lots of disconnected phones (fly by night dealers) and lots of laughter on the part of those with whom I spoke. Evidently I was sadly mistaken to think they are eager for prime 1998 SUVs. Their tentative offers were in the range of $2,000 to $2,500. So now I'm down to nationalization and long border lines and bureaucracy or driving it to CA and using it when we are there.

I don't quite understand how they can economically nationalize older beaters and bring them down here. If my car is only worth $2,000 (tack on another $2,000 and sell it for $4,000??) what would the fifteen year old and older clunkers that I saw at the border Friday be worth?


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robrt8

Mar 3, 2008, 6:36 PM

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Really appreciate these posts Blov.
Sorry about the loss of your car. You're being very gracious in keeping us filled-in. I have an '98 Ford f150 that I was hoping to nationalize.
But alas..


Rolly


Mar 3, 2008, 6:56 PM

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A Ford F150 is a pick-up, right? Pick-ups are not covered by the new rules, only cars. You should be able to nationalize your truck.

See http://www.mexconnected.com/...i?post=116146#116146

Rolly Pirate


JohnnyBoy

Mar 3, 2008, 7:02 PM

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How can he nationalize his truck if he is not Mexican? I thought all this nationalization stuff was just for Mexican citizens.

I have a '97 Ford Ranger pickup truck that I would love to nationalize but I am sure you all have told me before it is only a thing for Mexicans.

And if it is, why all the interest in doing it from so many non-Mexicans?

What am I missing here?


Rolly


Mar 3, 2008, 7:18 PM

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Talk with Travis Dyer at travisdyer@gmail.com He is a broker who can explain how to do it. He is also a regular poster here.

Rolly Pirate


Bloviator

Mar 4, 2008, 5:34 AM

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John

Travis has been very helpful to me in this matter and I may use his services if I end up taking the car to Laredo.


I thought you have a Mexican partner? Could you not use him for the service. As Travis said: This nationalization must be done by a Mexican citizen. Your gardener or neighbor might be willing to help you. In other words, if they'll "loan" you a copy of their credencial de elector, for the paperwork process, you can get your vehicle nationalized.

When I went to the Guad offices, my being a gringo was not the problem. Further, you live in Hermosillo (??) and it is only a few miles to the border. I suspect you will have to go to Nogales, but if it can be done outside Sonoita, you should find no lines.

A fellow San Matean - or is it San Mateoan?


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Bloviator

Mar 4, 2008, 2:49 PM

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Good news. I don't have to go to the border. Last night when we called the official from Guad who was supposed to know everything there was to know about the situation, he informed us that the whole thing ended last week and that the new law is now in effect.

As part of the new law, only new cars would be admitted - no mention of 1998 cars.

Since this is totally contrary to everything I have found out previously, I will not accept it, but will check more.


travisdyer

Mar 4, 2008, 6:35 PM

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As I am sure that many of you have personally experienced, Mexican officials are not always the best source for up-to-date information. "It" has not all "ended", and not "only new cars" will be allowed.

The nationalization process for cars, minivans, vans, and SUV's (model years 1993-1997) was originally set to end on Feb. 29. Then, it was extended to March 18. Then it was pushed back to Feb. 29, and now it is again set to end on March 18th.

I know that just reading that is confusing enough, much less than what we've had to deal with with our customers.

Just imagine, going to a business to inquire about their services and being told one thing, then another, and now, yet, even another. HOW FRUSTRATING!?!?!?!?!!!

When the news came out on Feb. 26th that the date was pushed back to Feb 29th, we immediately began nationalizing THREE TIMES the amount of vehicles than ever before. We are still maintaining that demand. We literally went from 120 applications per day to well over 400.

Of course, business is good, for now.....but, come March 18th, we'll definitely feel the pinch.


RECAP: ALL cars, minivans, vans and SUV's, made between 1993 and 1997 will no longer be allowed to be nationalized after March 18, 2008.

1998 model vehicles will still be permitted; however, the cost will increase three fold. Example: A 1998 Ford Explorer 4x4 currently costs $765. After March 18th, the cost will be $2295.

PICK-UPS made before 1999 (1998 and below) will still be nationalized at the current rate. This rate averages between $400 and $1000, depending on the make and model of the truck.

If anyone has any questions regarding these recent changes, please feel free to email me at travisdyer@gmail.com. I will GLADLY give you any information needed.


Bloviator

Mar 5, 2008, 9:51 AM

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Travis, again thanks for your excellent information. I was reporting what I had been told by a "responsible" Mexican official. I was fairly certain that he was wrong and I echo your comment about the variable reliability and the changing reality of information that we are receiving.

Evidently, some Mexican legislation and regulation is very much seat of the pants operations and is not always well thought out and/or practical.

Today's adventure will be to go to the Guadalajara airport aduana and see what I can find there. I was told not to go there and to go to an office in Guad. I did so with absolutely no useful results. Now I'll try the airport.

Your information about the greatly increased costs were mentioned in an article some time ago and are why I had given up on the idea of nationalizing before my other car was stolen. At present, we are likely to get a cash settlement and probably either drive the Merc or add a locally purchased Mexican plated car. However, it may be very advantageous to get the car nationalized before the deadline under my current confused circumstances.


RickS


Mar 5, 2008, 10:25 AM

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"Evidently, some Mexican legislation and regulation is very much seat of the pants operations and is not always well thought out and/or practical."

Sounds to me like they took their training in the U.S.......




Bloviator

Mar 6, 2008, 6:41 AM

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Yesterday at the Guad Aduana - at a broker's office - I was informed that nationalization of my 1998 car is still possible and that the old law is still in effect until March 18th. At that time a 1998 will still be eligible for legalization, but the cost will double (from the $1,000+ US it cost now in Guad. I told them that I had been quoted $800 US and they said Guad is more expensive. Go figure). This is consistent with what Travis has been telling us.

John - One of the problems of legalization according to what I learned yesterday is that I will have to have the support of a Mexican citizen. This may or may not be accurate information, but it is what the broker is telling me.

I'm so excited. I seem to be approaching some resolution of this important task, the nationalization of my remaining car so that I can bring in another if I choose to do so. More to follow tomorrow as I return to the airport with my paperwork, Mexican friend, and $10,900 pesos.


Bloviator

Mar 7, 2008, 7:26 PM

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Evidently the problem is solved. I just got a call from some agency in El Paso which deals with stolen US cars in Mexico. They told me that the car has been found in Tecate - about 70 miles east of Tijuana. I have not been able to contact them yet to find out the condition, but I suspect it is probably OK unless they stripped it. They couldn't do too much damage in 70 miles.

I will call the agency and have them go get it, make the original repairs and any other that might be needed due to the theft, have them meet me at the border, and send me on my merry way home. Hopefully, once we deal with the airfares, car rentals, etc. that we had to pay, the whole nightmare will be finished.


travisdyer

Mar 7, 2008, 8:30 PM

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Bloviator said: "I have not been able to contact them yet to find out the condition, but I suspect it is probably OK unless they stripped it. They couldn't do too much damage in 70 miles."

Friend, I am still humbly at your service for any nationalization needs that you may have. Now, that I have said that, I must say the following.

If you honestly believe that "'they' couldn't do too much damage in 70 miles," you are extremely naive. I do not mean to be offensive in any way, but I have seen and heard about vehicles being stolen, stripped and burned, all too often. Many times, this occurs within ten miles from where they were stolen, and almost always, within 24 hours.

I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope that this is not the case. Just know, that it is a very real probability. Keep us posted.



Bloviator

Mar 8, 2008, 4:51 AM

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I was simplifying when I said that unless it was stripped, it should probably be OK. I was indirectly referring to burning, etc.

Nevertheless, I'm sure you are correct. I woke up during the night thinking about all the "Yonkee" yards along the border from TJ to beyond San Luis Rio Colorado, with their stripped and gutted cars. If the thief just went for a joy ride, chances are he did little damage. HOwever, after he abandoned the car, lots of bad stuff could happen. Naturally, when I call the number that I have been given to call regarding the car I find it either busy or I get a message that it is out of order. I hope that today, I can find out more. Why am I not surprised that the Tecate police station phone is out of order?

If the windshield is intact (with sticker) and I can tow the remains to the Tecate border crossing, I almost hope that it is gutted, just so I won't have to deal with the insurance company over the considerable miscellaneous costs we have incurred.

Now I'm trapped in a nightmare again. The number that the US agency, which turns out to be the Texas Department of Public Safety ??, gave me provides me with three responses when I call it. Response one is a busy signal. Response two is a message that the phone is disconnected or out of service. Response three is weird. I actually got through to a human voice. He had no idea what I was talking about. When I tried to call back, I got response one or two. So, the car seems to be lost among the yonkee yards in the Tecate area - perhaps never to be seen again. Unless I find it, the magic sticker is lost again.


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