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Bloviator

Mar 12, 2007, 8:40 AM

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Simple question. If we are meeting a plane that leaves Ontario CA at 12 midnight, and usually gets here at 6:00 AM, is it now going to be here at 5:00 or 7:00? I think it is 5:00 as it will leave one hour later in our time.


donemry

Mar 12, 2007, 9:23 AM

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Re: [Brian] DST confusion

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Brian,

I have lived in the US all of my life. I am wintering in Mexico in PV, Jalisco on central time, not far from Nayarit which is Mountain. I have lived in Indiana, north and south and central when they did and did not have DST and when they were in the Central zone and the Eastern zone. I have lived in Texas and Minnesota also and I now reside in Tennnessee. A north south time difference is no different from an east west time difference. Everyone figures it out and no one dies, wars do not start, earthqukes do not happen. Worry about something important.


Papirex


Mar 12, 2007, 10:38 AM

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Re: [donemry] DST confusion

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Donemry, I don’t think anyone is worried about this time change, it is just an unusual change and slightly confusing, we all must adjust to it. As you said, we will all figure it out in the end; the confusion will only last for three weeks in any case.

We have been used to the former differences in time for various area of the earth. We have family in several US States, and other countries, Canada, Germany, England, etc. We have more than just the times in The USA to keep track of when making phone calls, meeting airplanes, etc. This latest change is a minor inconvenience, but an inconvenience nonetheless.

I have found his site to be helpful when I forget what the time differences are in different areas of he earth http://www.worldtimezone.com/ You may do a search using this site, but just enter the city name. If you enter a city name, and the state or country name, for some weird reason no results will be found.

If you enter just the city name you may then be given several choices of cities and areas with the same city name in them. There are 24 choices for London, and 4 choices for Napa.

The map displayed on this site shows that Mexico is on Daylight Saving Time, however, when I did a search for Cuernavaca, it displayed the local time, and noted that this area was not on Daylight Saving Time, but was using standard time.

Our dogs have always remained on standard time, they don’t worry about what time I’m using. They always bark to wake me up in the morning, no matter if it is dark or light outside, because they need to go outside right now.

Rex


"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo


S & C

Mar 12, 2007, 10:38 AM

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Re: [dlyman6500] DST confusion

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Use the old adage of "spring ahead, fall back".
The US went ahead one hour.
I am in central time in Mexico, the same as Chicago WAS. Yesterday I changed my computer to US Mountian time so it stays where it should be.
If the East Coast was 8 am it is now 9 am
At the same time, California was 5 am and they are now 6 am.
Therefore your Midnight flight will leave at 12 midnight, (the equivilent of the old 11pm, or an hour earlier). That means it will arrive an hour earlier than it used to. You are correct in meeting it at 5 am.
Stan


sfmacaws


Mar 12, 2007, 11:40 AM

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I agree that it is not that big an issue and it is the same issue that people who live on state borders or time zone borders deal with all the time. It's a momentary problem when you have to catch or meet a plane but you figure it out.

What I think is hard is figuring out when the tv shows are going to be on with our StarChoice that "thinks" it is in eastern time, shows networks in pacific time from Seattle and we are in central time. Now that's the extent of time management for this retiree who is hooked on Heroes.

I call California almost daily and Mimi calls Denver a lot, we just keep a running plus or minus in our heads. That changed yesterday and will change again in a few weeks. It's not like it changes hourly or daily. Plus my cell phone always knows what time it is wherever I am so I don't have to.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




Bubba

Mar 12, 2007, 1:13 PM

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Bubba, after getting up at 6:30AM in Ajijic thinking it was 7:30AM DST to pick up you know what in the yard in the dark left the day before by his dogs wonders why his flaky housekeeper is an hour late but cuts her some slack since it´s the first day of DST and heads off for his doctor´s appointment laughing with condescension (to himself) that the doctor had not changed his clock and, of all things, neither had the bus station. After sitting there for 15 minutes Bubba politely asked the receptionist why the doctor, who was driving down from Guadalajara, had not shown up for his 12:30 appointment. But sir, she said, it is only 11:45. Ah, said I, have you forgotten that daylight savings time started yesterday morning at which time the large Gringo crowd waiting for the doctor and observing my utter stupidity sang smugly in unison -

Not in Mexico, Pal!

How humiliating.

I should read Rolly´s posts more carefully and stop planning my days by Starchoice and that damn computer clock which sprang ahead thinking Bubba was still in Alabama.

RING! RING!: (Bubba calling his wife in Chiapas)

BUBBA: Do not go to your language class based on the erroneous notion that it is 4:00PM when it is only 3:00PM because the time has not changed in Mexico.
WIFE: What do you mean it hasn´t changed? I called the teacher and told him the time had changed.
BUBBA: So, what was his reaction?
WIFE: He said, "Fine."
BUBBA: Well it hasn´t changed here or in Chiapas so why don´t you call the telephone company for a time update if you don´t believe me. One of us must maintain some dignity here.


(This post was edited by Bubba on Mar 12, 2007, 1:17 PM)


Brian

Mar 12, 2007, 1:56 PM

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And in the meantime, the Mexican woman in Tijuana must explain to her employer at the maquiladora that she must leave work one hour earlier than usual in order to pickup her child at the border who is attending school "en el otro lado". She will only be inconvenienced for the next three weeks and then again in October when the time zones diverge again. She will only miss out on one hour a day of work ( a few pesos per day) which seems to be no big deal to a few of the "mexicophiles" who post on this message board. They don't seem to understand the interdependence of the two cities and their underlying economies and social ties.

saludos
Brian


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sfmacaws


Mar 12, 2007, 3:55 PM

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So, how is that different from residents of Bullhead City and Laughlin or Needles that live in one and work in the other? Or any number of towns along another time zone border? It's not different, it's just one of the things that you deal with in life and saying that it is somehow a bigger deal for the workers in the maquilladoras in Mexico than for the casino workers in Bullhead City is just racism or country-ism or one of those -ism's you are so into. It's life in the modern world of time zones and DST and cross border living, it's not another attack on Mexicans. Good grief!

BTW, my computer clock is correct today, I checked it against my cell phone. It must be that time update I let it download a while back. I have the location set to Mexico.


Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán




Brian

Mar 13, 2007, 5:42 AM

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It's not different, it's just one of the things that you deal with in life and saying that it is somehow a bigger deal for the workers in the maquilladoras in Mexico than for the casino workers in Bullhead City is just racism or country-ism or one of those -ism's you are so into. It's life in the modern world of time zones and DST and cross border living, it's not another attack on Mexicans. Good grief!


Nobody said workers who have to juggle time zones in meeting responsibilities are disproportionately affected based on which country they are in. That is an inference you have made. My remarks were addressed to the indolent few who don't see it as any big deal because it doesn't affect them personally. In my opinion, this message thread is less about the fact of the temporary time difference between the countries and more about the demonstrated lack of empathy by those whose lifestyle is different from their own (in this case retired expats living in the land of manana). Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify.

Brian


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Bubba

Mar 13, 2007, 8:06 AM

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My remarks were addressed to the indolent few who don't see it as any big deal because it doesn't affect them personally. In my opinion, this message thread is less about the fact of the temporary time difference between the countries and more about the demonstrated lack of empathy by those whose lifestyle is different from their own (in this case retired expats living in the land of manana).

Indolent?

Most retiress I know worked their butts off for 30 years or more so they could retire and be freed from the grind.

Interestingly, among the Zapotecos in Oaxaca, one, whether male or female, is supposed to work hard and contribute to the community from the time they become teenagers until they reach old age at which time they achieve the honor of being retired to borrracho indolence. You´ll see them staggering about the village seemingly without a care in the world. That´s my paradigm.

Indolent Bubba


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toddmc


Mar 14, 2007, 9:47 AM

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What time is it?

Now that I am living on Mexican time, sometimes I am not sure what day of the week it is!



Todd
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Our new life in Patzcuaro: http://lifeinthecorazon.blogspot.com/


Marlene


Mar 16, 2007, 4:05 PM

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Jonna wrote:

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I agree that it is not that big an issue and it is the same issue that people who live on state borders or time zone borders deal with all the time. It's a momentary problem when you have to catch or meet a plane but you figure it out.


So, I did think I had it figured out...well actually I did, but those in the business seemed not to have. Maybe next year.

My friend was to arrive this morning at 9:30 a.m. Mazatlan time on a non-stop charter flight from Edmonton, Canada. She was to board at 5:30 a.m. When she gave me her times I queried her schedule because it doesn't take that long to zoom south to Mazatlan. "Oh, yes" she replied quickly "that is the itinerary I was given". And the airline website verified the times she had (I double-checked) So I thought, fine, I will plan to arrive at 9:30 and she can wait for me rather than me wait for her for an hour.

I turned on the computer and did a day-of-arrival flight check. Sure enough, it showed the plane nearly landing in Mazatlan with comments "departed on schedule" but "arriving early" (yes, an hour early - the lost hour surfaces!) So, I dash out the door to the airport noting that the plane has now arrived and I have a bit of a drive to get there. She would have to wait. Now here is where it gets comical. I stand outside Aduana, knowing the plane has landed at least 45 minutes ago, yet no one is coming out the door. Not even the carry-on luggage people. Hardly anyone is there to meet the plane either, since it isn't due in yet.

My friend finally emerges, rolling her eyes and tells me that Immigration and Customs officials had not been informed of the real arrival time (I reminded her that she hadn't been informed either!) They waited nearly an hour for officials to arrive at work to clear passengers. I'm sure the Immigration and Customs departments are still shaking their heads over this.


(This post was edited by Marlene on Mar 16, 2007, 4:12 PM)


Papirex


Mar 16, 2007, 5:34 PM

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Yes Marlene, people that are not used to having dealings that span several time zones usually manage to screw things up.

In the early 1980s I was the instrumentation project manager on a project to add an electrical turbine to the local power company serving Anchorage, Alaska. That job was very heavy with electrical engineering. I had to consult with them frequently; the engineering company was located in New York.

New York was 6 time zones ahead of Anchorage. Our office opened at 8 AM local time, I was aware that I only had a 2-hour window in the morning to communicate with them. More than once when I arrived at work around 7 - 7:30 AM the phone would be ringing. It would be an engineer in New York.

The first thing he would usually ask me is “Where have you guys been? I’ve been calling you all morning.” They were always a little surprised when I told them that 8:AM in New York was 2: AM in Anchorage. I think that some engineers are un-trainable.

Rex
"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo


Papirex


Mar 29, 2007, 10:10 AM

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Re: [Rolly] DST confusion

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Well Guys, even though I’m sure we have all adjusted to our time zones by now, I just can’t let this sleeping dog lie. My wife has been asking me for the last week or so, “When do we go on daylight time?” I kept telling her I don’t remember, and I don’t care, the computer will tell me when the time changes.

Last night she asked me again, so I took the easy way out and did a Google search. It came up with this site:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/clockchange.html?n=155 Next Sunday, April 1st 2007 is the day we go on DST here.

If you play around on this site, you can find a lot of interesting, and probably useless information, of course maybe it is important for some people to know what time it is on Guam, or Road Town in The Virgin Islands Smile

Rex
"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo

(This post was edited by RexC on Mar 29, 2007, 10:16 AM)


esperanza

Mar 29, 2007, 10:13 AM

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The USA has been on DST for nearly three weeks.

Here in Mexico, we Spring Forward this coming Saturday night, March 31.

http://www.mexicocooks.typepad.com









Papirex


Mar 29, 2007, 10:24 AM

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I had to edit my last post; I think the edited version must have crossed your post in cyber space esperanza. Mea Culpa. Actually, Mexico officially starts daylight time at 3 AM on April 1st. For most of us it does mean when we go to bed on March 31st though.

Rex
"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo


jerezano

Mar 29, 2007, 11:16 AM

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Re: [RexC] DST confusion

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Hello,

Daylight Savings Time: Why at 3 AM? I think it was 3:00 AM here in the USA as well. Hmm........... Could it be that the industries than normally close at 2:00 AM (bars, night clubs, casinos--no,not these as they are usually open all night--etc.) didn't want to lose an hour of business?

The power of lobbies....?

Adiós. jerezano.
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