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pamelawy

Dec 2, 2006, 5:29 PM

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Anyone gotten FM3 from NYC Mexican Consulate????

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URGENT! If there is anyone on this forum who's dealt with the Mexican consulate in NYC for their FM3, did you need a police report with your application?

Nowhere on the Consulate's website in the list of requirements is this mentioned, and yet so many people from other parts of the U.S. have said it's been required as part of their application process.

I'm headed to NYC on Monday with my application, and don't have said police report. Do I need to postpone my trip???

Thanks,
Pamela



ellijo

Dec 3, 2006, 8:56 AM

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You'll probably need the letter. Call and ask before you go down. We had the same experience in D.C. It wasn't listed on the website, but when we got downtown from Northern Virginia with every other document in the world, we were turned away until we could produce the police letter. The letter comes from the State Police Dept of Records, and it is specifically for international visas.
Once we got our letter, we also had to have it apostilled, so the process took two round trip Fedex's to our state capitol and about two weeks. Inconvenient, but not difficult.



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javawaveC

Dec 3, 2006, 9:34 AM

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We got our FM3's at the SF Consulate and they required a police clearance letter from the COUNTY in which we were living--it took us about a week to get--


Anonimo

Dec 3, 2006, 2:41 PM

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Pamela, for our application at the Dallas Consulate, we needed a Police letter, a doctor's statement of health, PLUS we thought we needed to have everything apostilled. When we got to the Dallas Consulate, we found we'd done well, but that we didn't need the apostilles. Good thing, too, as our bank is California based, and we couldn't arrange for an apostille for the bank.
Remember; the main thing they are interested is proof of steady income meeting their requirements.

My advice: get a letter of clean record from your police department, bring it to the NYC Consulate, and don't show it until asked for it.

Saludos,
Anonimo


Papirex


Dec 3, 2006, 4:41 PM

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Anonimo has given good advice about simply getting a copy of any police record. The State of Alaska doesn’t deal with Mexican immigration rules often, and has no special form to use when a citizen is applying for an FM3.

I applied for my first FM3 several years ago in Seattle. It was a nightmare. There is a Mexican Consul in Anchorage where we lived, but the usual Mexican politics discouraged me from applying there, someone wanted her job. We were friends with the consul there, and she told us of her many troubles with people stealing diplomatic mail intended for her, pretending to work for her and giving people incorrect information, etc.

We called the consul in Seattle and we thought we were speaking to a lawyer there every time we called. She told us to just show up, and I would have my FM3 in two days. When we arrived in Seattle, the lawyer denied ever having spoken to either of us. That was when I realized that we had probably been speaking to a clerk that was pretending to be the lawyer.

I was told that I had to have a “letter of good conduct” from The Washington State Police. Since I had never been a Washington State resident, I called the Alaska State troopers in Anchorage. They told me I would need to send them a letter requesting my records, and a copy of FBI approved fingerprints.

I found a private security firm in Seattle that was authorized to take FBI approved fingerprints and had a set of my prints taken. I sent them and the letter requesting any police records via Fed-Ex to Anchorage. Of course, the troopers sent the records back to me via snail mail.

Altogether, it took about 12 days to get a copy of my police records from the Troopers in Anchorage. I was particularly upset, because had I known that I would need to do that, we had lived in Anchorage, and it would have been very simple to go to the trooper’s office before we left the state to get a copy. The letter simply said that there were no wants or warrants for me.

That letter from the police was the last thing we needed to provide The Consulate in Seattle. The last straw was when the lawyer there told me it would take another month for me to receive my FM3. I’m sure she was fishing for a bribe. I don’t pay bribes. I told her to hell with it, I will enter Mexico on a tourist visa again, and get my FM3 within six months after our arrival there.

We had planned to spend a week in Seattle visiting my wife’s brother there. We had already been there for three weeks. Another month was out of the question. We stopped in Phoenix to visit one of my wife’s uncles on our drive to Mexico. I went to the Mexican Consulate there. I didn’t expect to be able to get an FM3 there, but I tried anyway.

The only man in the Phoenix consulate that handled visas at that time was an elderly gentleman, very experienced, and a real pro. When I told him of my difficulties at the Seattle consulate, and that I was not an Arizona resident, but could we use my wife’s uncle’s address in Phoenix to get my FM3? He just waved his hand, and said, “That’s not important.” I had my FM3 the next day.

This happened several years ago, there have been two new presidents since then. Whenever a new president takes office here; almost all federal employees are replaced, not just department heads, all employees must be either re-appointed to their jobs, or replaced. There is no civil service system, as we know it here. It’s impossible to know how a situation like mine would be handled today.

I gave the police report along with all the other required documentation to the man in The Phoenix consulate. He glanced at it, and put it in the center of a stack of papers. I don’t think it was required at that consulate.

If you are traveling very far to go to a Mexican Consulate, I would recommend that you get a police report on yourself before you go. The Mexican Government no longer requires them, but every Mexican government entity is free to make their own rules, you may be asked for it.

You never know what will be required at any Mexican government office until you get there. Try to be prepared for anything.

Rex








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(This post was edited by RexC on Dec 3, 2006, 4:44 PM)


MazDee

Dec 3, 2006, 8:41 PM

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For what it's worth, the SF consulate asked for a police report. I just went to the local (Vallejo) PD and they gave me a letter (next day, I think it cost $20) saying that I was not wanted, etc. That was good enough. However, what happens in NYC, Anchorage, Seattle or Austin may be another story. Which is why I think you should make a preliminary visit to your consulate to get the info from them. Even if it is some distance away, it might save a lot of hassle in the long run. When I went to the consulate in SF, they gave me an application to fill out and a check list of all the things I needed. The whole process was very easy.


donemry

Dec 4, 2006, 5:51 AM

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We applied for our FM3's in Atlanta. They list their requirements on their webpage exactly as they want them.

Bank statements w/apostile
Police letter
etc.

We dropped off our documents in the morning and picked up or FM3's that afternoon.


jennifer rose

Dec 4, 2006, 6:00 AM

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Each Mexican Consulate has a slightly different twist on its rules. Some require the "certificate of moral solvency" (the police report), and some don't. Some won't accept an application from anyone under the age of 55 years, and some will. Some require applicants to appear in person, and some will accept applications by mail. And what you may find on a website isn't always entirely dispositive. The best bet is to make an inquiry at the consulate where you make the application.


Georgia


Dec 4, 2006, 7:04 AM

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We got our FM3 at the NYC consulate. Our impression was that the woman who deigned to grant them drank battery acid every day for breakfast. We did not get a police report - but that was almost six years ago. I did print a copy of their requirements from their website, attach everything it listed, and said yes, ma'am, no ma'am, and so on. We actually got something that resembled a smile from her when we asked her about where she was from (Vera Cruz) and about her family there. We had to return the next day to pick up the visas so it was a two day trip.


pamelawy

Dec 5, 2006, 1:02 PM

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With great thanks to everyone who gave such thoughtful replies to my urgent question, I must report that, although no police report was required here in NYC, they turned down my application. Reason? My bank statements showed, consistently, deposits every month that exceeded the required $1000 minimum, but the only "certifiable" deposit was SS, which was $8 short. Someone in one of the forums described the woman one had to deal with there as clearly a consumer of battery acid. I must concur. Thanks again. Pamela


bournemouth

Dec 5, 2006, 1:19 PM

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This is not the end - do not give up. You can get your FM3 in Mexico. If you have to move deposits from a savings account to a checking account each month for three months - then do it. Although I got my FM3 in the US, it is clear to me that requirements here are more liberally applied than they are in many locations north of the border. Get advice from folks living in the area in which you are going to reside.


Papirex


Dec 5, 2006, 1:45 PM

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I have to agree with Bournemouth about applying for an FM3 here in Mexico. Even here in Cuernavaca I have never been asked what the source of any deposits are on my US bank statements. They just want to see the requisite amount of deposits each month.

Many INAMI offices in Mexico will accept computer print outs of your bank statements to prove income. If you are going to live in an area that accepts print outs, you may not even need to open a Mexican bank account. I have never heard of bank deposits needing to be “certified.” I have no idea of what that means, I doubt if the woman at the NYC consulate does ether.

Rex


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esperanza

Dec 5, 2006, 2:23 PM

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RexC, it's not generally possible to open a Mexican bank account without an FM-3. Lloyd, yes, and Multi-Valores, yes, but not a bank account.

Most if not all of the INAMI offices will accept the OP's bank statements from the USA.




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Rolly


Dec 5, 2006, 4:14 PM

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Yes, they will accept foreign bank statements, but most (all?) INM offices will require a translation by an official translator.

Rolly Pirate


Papirex


Dec 5, 2006, 4:49 PM

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Yes, I know you are right esperanza, I was thinking about the ex-pats that have opened a bank account here after they got their first FM3 to shuffle deposits into in order to show regular monthly deposits for their annual FM3 renewals. I should have expanded on that, to clarify it.

Rex
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Papirex


Dec 5, 2006, 5:19 PM

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Yeah, I can certainly see their point Rolly. I would be tough for anyone at INAMI that was not fluent in English to know what an Arabic numeral printed in English meant until it was translated into an Arabic numeral printed in Spanish.

Of course the intricacies of the difference between the English word deposit, and the Spanish word depositivo would stop them in their tracks too, especially if the amount following the English word deposit increased the balance by that same amount, on the statement when it was added to the previous amount on the statement.

This is the kind of stuff that happens in a country that has an official language. Thank God Benjamin Franklin did not prevail at the birth of The United States. As some of you history buffs may know, he wanted to make a complete break with the Motherland, England. He promoted making German the official language of The United States.

IMHO we are far better off without an official language. It at least lowers the likelihood of silliness like this occurring in The US.

Rex
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pamelawy

Dec 7, 2006, 8:29 AM

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The problem, at least for me, about waiting until arrival in Mexico to get an FM3 is that only with that visa that one can import household goods, and the permit to do so must be obtained in the State (US) from which the stuff will be shipped. So, waiting to get the FM3 in Mexico would still mean I'd have to return to NY to apply for the Menaje permit, and hang around until shipping could be arrange, a rather expensive trip. I'll meet the $ requirement as of Jan 1st, so will just reapply for the FM3 then.

As for the woman at the NY consulate office (expletives deleted!) you're probably quite right that she didn't know what she was talking about. But she's the one who had the authority to deny the visa, no matter what I said. "Certifed" was actually my word; the SS payment was the only payment she could see that recurred monthly as a definite deposit. But then, it was early in the day and she'd obviously only recently finished her morning mug of battery acid - as Georgia said!


lmaxine

Dec 7, 2006, 9:33 AM

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When I wanted to get my FM3 in NYC 11 years ago, the list they gave me was daunting-not only a letter from my local police, but an AIDS test, a medical report, a letter from the NYC Board of Ed saying how much my pension would be (ha,ha, yeah, right, those bureaucrats with many thousands of retirees would do just that), everything notarized, certified, translated etc. I mentioned it to a friend who was living here in Ajijic, he said wait till I arrive and do it here. I did just that, and it was a breeze. I wasn't bringing my menaje, just moved down with what I could carry in my suitcase, left some things in storage in Laredo for a few months till I could retrieve them, and boy-you should see what I have accumulated since then.
Good luck.
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jerezano

Dec 7, 2006, 11:01 AM

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Hello all,

Re: Translation of foreign (USA) bank statements to Spanish.

Here in Zacatecas NO translations have ever been required. What happens in the future I can't forsee but looking back ten years, no such requirement for me nor for any of my friends has ever been laid upon us.

Are we just lucky?

Adiós. jerezano


Anonimo

Dec 7, 2006, 1:03 PM

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That is one of the advantages of having a Citibank/Banamex USA account. The statements are bilingual.

Saludos,
Anonimo


Georgia


Dec 8, 2006, 7:31 AM

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OK. If you're going to move your stuff down after you get to Mexico, here's how to do this thing if you are using a professional mover. First of all, use a mover who is very familiar with international moves. Come to Mexico, get your FM-3. Fax a copy of it to your mover. The mover would/should take care of the menaje if s/he knows what s/he's doing! If you need more info on this, send me a private message and I will take you through the steps for moving from NY with some recommendations.
 
 
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