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Celticson

Jul 12, 2007, 1:06 PM

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We are new to getting excited about moving to Mexico, renting and later purchasing; however, we keep getting negative feedback from friends/relatives about crime, vis-a-vie, Tejuana. Can someone help us with responses to remarks such as these? I am sure that there is more chance of crime in Kalispell, Montana. Please advise.

Celticson
Celticson



Rolly


Jul 12, 2007, 2:25 PM

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Why do you mention Tijuana? Are you planning the move there?

If all you know about crime in Mexico is what the news media reports, you will have a very distorted view of the country -- like your friends/relatives are exhibiting. Yes, TJ has a high crime rate -- most of it drug gangs battling each other, and drunken US sailors getting into trouble on weekends. If you are not into drugs and stay out of the club areas on weekends, you'll probably never have a problem.

Most parts of Mexico are quite safe. Parts of some cities may be a lot like parts of many cities in the USA. I feel much safer in my home in Lerdo than I did in my "safe" neighborhood in Los Angeles.

Rolly Pirate



Celticson

Jul 12, 2007, 2:45 PM

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We are not into drugs or crime. I am a retired police officer. I have been to Tijuanna once, and it was used as an example of the high crime in Mexico--that's why I mentioned it. I have no intention on going to TJ! I was looking for an intelligent and cogent response to give to those who do not know, and I for one, about the wonderful people who do live in Mexico. Candidly may I say, I found your post to be a little curt and not helpful to newbies looking to come to stay and live in Mexico.
Celticson



Don Moore


Jul 12, 2007, 2:49 PM

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Hey, I was about to get on you about your comment about Kalispell, then I found that you are from Montana. Kalispell no doubt has more crime than Rexford, but I'd guess less than many or most places in Mexico.

I spent many years in Montana. We have more murders in Memphis in a given week than there in the state of Montana in a year. I'd love to be back in Somers, but I have to earn a living.
Don Moore



Don Moore


Jul 12, 2007, 2:51 PM

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Relax,

Rolly has a long history on this forum of being very helpful to all comers. And he is probably the least curt or offensive or smart-assed individual who ever posted on MexConnect.
Don Moore



Celticson

Jul 12, 2007, 2:55 PM

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I have been to the Somers area. Right now, I live two miles from the Canadian border. The housing market is NILL. We want out very badly but we are unable to sell the house. I assume you are living in Memphis, which also I am familiar with it as I lived in Jackson, MS for a few years. Do you vacation in Mexico and have you lived there?
Celticson



Don Moore


Jul 12, 2007, 3:04 PM

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I have not lived in Mexico, but I have quite a number of friends who do. I have travelled to all parts of the country for many years, beginning back in 1966. I speak Spanish well, but not fluently, so travel there is pretty easy for me. For about a decade now, I have kept up very closely with folks who are retired there and have been on these forums for about three years, I think.

I do truly love both Montana and Mexico and an ideal life for me would be to spend about six months a year in each. Right now, I am not spending much time in either. I have a lot of family responsibilities here in Memphis. I could afford to retire to Mexico now, but can not really leave here right now. Memphis is a lot cheaper than Montana, and I doubt if I could have a very good life style there without working. AND, you know the employment situation there, or lack thereof.

As to crime. From all I have heard, there is little risk to life and limb most anywhere in Mexico if you keep out of the bars and away from drug-related situations. There is a lot of petty crime all over the country, from what I have heard and have read here. You can't get much safer than in Montana, though, except for the woods in hunting season.

Just explore some of the back posts here and realize that there is quite a bit of playful smart-ass joshing, but most folks here really try to be helpful. Sometimes what we think is an insult is just the result of dashing off a response quickly without carefully examining the possible interpretations.

Best to you,
Don Moore



Celticson

Jul 12, 2007, 3:13 PM

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Thank you!!
Celticson



Don Moore


Jul 12, 2007, 3:20 PM

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You are most welcome. I'm sure you will hear from others, but I think my generalities will hold up. If you have not already done so, VISIT ROLLY's SITE. IT IS FULL OF GREAT INFORMATION ABOUT MEXICO. Just put the crime question on the shelf. It is not a big issue, really.
Don Moore



Gringal

Jul 12, 2007, 3:26 PM

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When Mexico was first mentioned around my family, they started recounting tales of bandidos and slaughtered gringos dating all the way back to Pancho Villa. Most likely, they just want to keep you nearby.

Is there a particular area in Mexico that you are considering? This forum includes people from all over Mexico who will give you the plusses (and sometimes even the minuses) of their own areas. The weather in Mexico varies widely from one place to another and is a huge factor in making a decision. since you have to live with it 24/7/360 unless you maintain a second home elsewhere.

For instance, the beaches are great, but the weather can be almost unbearably hot and humid at times. The high desert plains are beautiful and have a more temperate climate, but for some people, the altitude is a health problem. If you speak fluent Spanish, there are many options open to you that would be difficult for the non-bilingual person.

Let us know what you want, and you will probably get many responses. There is also a very good "search" function available.

By the way, one of the most valuable resources is our own Rolly at www.rollybrook.com. He answers many questions about moving to Mexico. All the details where devils dwell.

Welcome to an exciting adventure.


(This post was edited by Gringal on Jul 12, 2007, 3:27 PM)



thriftqueen

Jul 12, 2007, 5:06 PM

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When you get those crime stories, ask the person reporting on it - How many times they have been to Mexico and where they got their information from? One has to remember the news magazine type reports on TV draw their viewers by sensationalizing their stories. It seems they particularly love to do danger stories about Mexico.

One is as safe in Mexico, or maybe safer than most places in the USA. One needs to keep their head up and be aware in Mexico same as one would in the USA. Many of the sensational stories that your informants love to quote concern the visitor who comes to Mexico and throws all caution out the window.

We live in Alamos, Sonora which is a small historic city. We feel comfortable to live in a total Mexican neighborhood and feel perfectly safe to walk anywhere in the town at what ever hour.

Happy retirement to you.



Jerry@Ajijic

Jul 12, 2007, 8:45 PM

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We are from central Florida and we feel many times safer here than we did in Florida and we lived in a small town. As for Rolly, I guess when you mentioned Tijuana for a comparison it shows you are not too familiar with Mexico. You must certainly not be thinking of moving here. It is like saying the US is expensive "like San Francisco". It think for such a unreasonable question his answer was quite mild.



Goody2shs

Jul 12, 2007, 9:51 PM

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Dear Celticson: now you are talking to a real scaredycat, me. And I wish I were a better writer to really be able to express to you how safe and warm I felt during our first visit to Mexico two years ago. And trust me, after all the horrible reports I read from the government and the news from time to time, I was almost terrified when it came time to leave for our trip. I even went so far as to buy a personal alarm in case someone should rob or assault us. That's how brainwashed I was after reading all those warnings from everybody. We went to Ajijic, Guadalajara, and then drove a car to Manzanillo and stayed at a resort just North of there. But everywhere we went, we were surrounded by wonderfully friendly people and just loved going out walking at night through the cobblestone streets, mingled with the folks on the plaza, watched the children play, and sat with other friendly people in restaurants and generally meeting people everywhere. To make things even more comforting for us, a very generous member of this forum was very kind to meet us at our hotel in Guadalajara and brought us to Ajijic and gave us the grand tour of everything. It was more than what we could have asked for and he and his lovely wife further reassured us of how nice life could be in Mexico. I can't describe the warm fuzzies we felt all over because in Denver something like that is almost unthinkable. The same thing happened last year when we visited Mazatlan. I kept telling my husband like a broken record over and over: can you imagine how nice it is here, I feel safer than I have ever felt anywhere, I wonder what all those people are talking about about how dangerous Mexico is. Of courese, common sense tells you that if you want to stay away from trouble, you don't go where it is most likely to be. Therefore, prudence and a watchful eye is of course a good thing anywhere in this world, but this scared person is now cured of that feeling, I love it there and plan to live there very soon. Wishing to a wonderful trip, enjoy and have fun.



Celticson

Jul 12, 2007, 10:37 PM

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I don't understand the curtness of you and Rolly. All I did was mention that people challenge US about the crime in Mexico, as if we WERE going to TJ. I asked for help and advice, and I get disrespect and ridiculed. Sheesh, if I every get to Mexico, I hope I don't have neighbors like you and the other Dude. "What man who asked for a piece of bread, would be given a stone"? I'll know better than to ask for help again on these forums.
Celticson



Celticson

Jul 12, 2007, 10:39 PM

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Thank you very much for your kindness and help with my question. You helped a great deal and shall use your post to show to those who question our decision to live in Mexico one day. : )
Celticson



drmike

Jul 13, 2007, 7:26 AM

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Methinks Celticson should stay in Montana!
Dr. Mike

http://www.smarthealthchoices.blogspot.com

There are hundreds of paths up the mountain,
all leading in the same direction,
so it doesn't matter which path you take.
The only one wasting time is the one
who runs around and around the mountain,
telling everyone that his or her path is wrong.


Hindu teaching




Rolly


Jul 13, 2007, 7:46 AM

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Yes, Mike, with such tender sensibilities he's in for a rough ride when he has to deal with the bureaucrats in the government, the phone company, the power company, etc. Mexico is not for everyone.

Rolly Pirate



belgique


Jul 14, 2007, 5:06 AM

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Had that thought too...I don't think that there has ever been a recorded incident of someone being offended by Rolly. If Bubba was here it would have really been interesting.



Goody2shs

Jul 14, 2007, 10:13 AM

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Totally agree on that comment, Rolly is the best. His message just may have come across the wrong way on that particular day. I have never known anyone who goes out of his way more than Rolly in trying to help people with information. Just creating the extensive website he has, must have taken up an enormous amount of time, and all to help others. But Bubba, now, that would have been a complete other story.



Gringal

Jul 14, 2007, 10:17 AM

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Maybe the guy is thin-skinned right now after having his friends and relatives give him a hard time.

We've seen Rolly's numerous posts over the years and know how generous and kind-spirited he is. I didn't see anything the least offensive in this one, either.

As far as the crime rate is concerned, it's largely a matter of perception. When you've just been robbed, it seems high.



raferguson


Jul 14, 2007, 8:56 PM

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The simplest answer is that crime rates vary from locale to locale. Compare Washington DC to rural Montana. Similarly, compare Mexico City to Zacatecas. Any crime rate is an average of some kind.

On the other hand, there is some evidence that crime in Mexico is more likely to be violent than in the USA. For example, the Mexican homicide rate is double the US homicide rate. Car theft in Mexico is much more likely to involve carjacking than in the USA.

But I would just say to my friends that some parts of Mexico do have high crime rates, as do some parts of the USA, but that you do not plan to move to a high crime area in Mexico.

Richard


http://www.fergusonsculpture.com



robbers

Jul 15, 2007, 2:20 PM

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On my three visits to Cuernavaca, have noticed that many freestanding homes (even in gated communities) have fences around them. And in one gated community that I know well, most cars are also locked behind the gates. This particular community is occupied predominantly by somewhat upper-class Mexicans...and the several who I've asked "why the concern" to don't seem to have a credible answer.

In fact, when I ask about the specific crime events over the years that they've lived there, they cite a couple examples of things like a car being broken into and the CD player stolen, but these seem like extremely isolated events. Also, most of these people live there year-round so it's not like they're worried about squatters.

Can't quite figure this out, seems incongruent. Any thoughts?



raferguson


Jul 15, 2007, 2:53 PM

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I have one survey that says that 44% of thefts in Cuernavaca are committed with violence or threats of violence.

In general, when there is an incongruity between what people say and what they do, it is best to ignore what they say and look instead at what they do.

If people say that they are not worried about crime, but have a high fence around their house, I suggest that the high fence speaks volumes.

I think that people are more worried about their personal safety, rather than somebody stealing the CD player out of their car.

Richard


http://www.fergusonsculpture.com



robbers

Jul 15, 2007, 3:38 PM

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Raferguson, thanks for taking time to reply. Would be curious to know if the survey distinguished between robbery (personal) and burglary (home)? If the figure pertains more to robbery, could be attributable to "express kidnappings" (snatching people off the street and making them withdraw money from an ATM under the threat of personal injury from say a gun, knife, or unfiltered water).

Even if this doesn't explain the figure you mentioned, none of the three or four homeowners in that community cited any cases of personal violence. Though maybe there isn't any because of the fences, huh?



Jerry@Ajijic

Jul 15, 2007, 9:07 PM

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We have lived in Ajijic for over 10 years and in that time I only know of two home robberies "with violence" here at lakeside.



donemry

Jul 16, 2007, 7:13 AM

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I suspect that most of the walls and gates around many properties are more of an architectural device rather than a statement of insecurity. Perhaps a holdover from less gentle times?



alex .

Jul 16, 2007, 7:45 AM

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T ruly you gest,
R olly has a good reputation as a kind soul,
O f course if you have something to specific to say,
L ay it out so we can see,
L earn and become smarter.


Not much of a poet Alex


(This post was edited by alex . on Jul 16, 2007, 7:46 AM)



Brian

Jul 17, 2007, 6:26 AM

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We have lived in Ajijic for over 10 years and in that time I only know of two home robberies "with violence" here at lakeside.


That is an amazingly low figure for such a long period of time. Do you converse much in Spanish about the crime situation with your Mexican neighbors? Do you regularly read the local newspapers in Spanish? If so, then you truly live in a very special place.

Brian



alex .

Jul 17, 2007, 11:10 AM

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I suppose we could pretend nothing is happening:
(yea, I know, who's the troll now ;<)


July 9
The body of a man was found wrapped in a blanket with his arms tied behind his back and a single gunshot wound to the neck in Tonala, Jalisco state.
One man died and another was wounded during an attack by six heavily armed men in the Tierra Caliente region of Michoacan state.
July 10
Police discovered the body of a man in a shallow grave with his arms tied behind his back and two gunshot wounds to his head in Charapan, Michoacan state.
July 11
Three gunmen died in a firefight with federal police on a highway near Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas state.

July 12
Mexican soldiers on a routine patrol in Sonora state seized 3.5 tons of marijuana, four vehicles and a number of federal police uniforms.
July 13
Federal police in Tijuana, Baja California state, detained three members of the Gabacho kidnapping gang, which is suspected in the abduction of several local business owners.
U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Tony Garza condemned threats to U.S. journalists by cartel hit men.
Police in Veracruz state reported that six people had been kidnapped in separate incidents by heavily armed men wearing uniforms similar to those of the Federal Investigative Agency.
July 14
The body of a man wrapped in a blanket was found along a highway outside Acapulco, Guerrero state. He evidently had been tortured.
July 15
Two men were found shot to death on the side of a highway in Durango state.
Two men were shot to death by several gunmen in Lazaro Cardenas, Michoacan state, in apparently related incidents


(This post was edited by alex . on Jul 17, 2007, 11:28 AM)



stina

Jul 17, 2007, 11:48 AM

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Sure this is all horrible and very disturbing- but I question the circumstances around each the murders/incidents you cited. There are similar gruesome events which frequently happen here in the USA- and mostly they are tied to drugs and gangs. I would bet that the same is true in Mexico.

I don't mean to downplay the seriousness about these situations, but I suspect that most of us mexconnect readers aren't in any way connected to the drug or other smuggling trades. As others have said- use your common sense and you will avoid trouble.



alex .

Jul 17, 2007, 12:37 PM

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Why is it horrible and disturbing if all the activity is amongst bad guys?
Alex



Oscar2

Jul 17, 2007, 1:27 PM

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Alex, deep inside I believe most of us know and can say, “since when has the human condition ever been any better.” Your sightings with a backdrop of horrendous atrocities human kind is capable of can be seen as a drop in the bucket and should “really” come as no surprise. To try to pretend otherwise is surely a masquerade.

What happens in any month of any year in Mexico pales in a human global spectrum we are so soon to forget, conveniently? It’s our way of pretending “shock” that such unspeakable things occur. It’s a collective defense mechanism, which rises and falls pending needs at any particular time, as we know it.

My experience of Mexico for the most part has been good even though I was held at gunpoint, beaten and hospitalized in an attempted robbery, in of all places Mexico City about 40 years ago. Quite frankly though, that which came with my youth then somewhat solicited this action and I like to believe I did learn something from it as so many of us do from other things in life.

Most ol’timers have a few miles on them and candidly life just goes on. I will admit Mexico is more of a frontier type existence void of allot of the glitz and more found NoB, but in an of itself, it also carries some kind of charm and sort of a peacefulness pending which town you physically live in, as well as where your at between the ears, especially on a nice day.

In a thinking mind, concerns can take us here there and everywhere but believe it or not some also believe that right “now” we have always been in the same place we started. Dos Centavos.

(This post was edited by Oscar2 on Jul 17, 2007, 3:52 PM)



alex .

Jul 17, 2007, 1:36 PM

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I only posted last week's activities,during time the cartel's are observing a cease fire. Normally its worse. My point is not to antagonize, or turn anyone away from visiting Mexico, rather, to point out that bad things happen to good people, that there are events happening all around you whether you choose to accept it or not. Perhaps a "thinking mind" could do a better job than mine sorting this all out, though if I had been beaten, robbed, and sent to the hospital I would have considered that convincing enough.
Alex


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thriftqueen

Jul 17, 2007, 3:01 PM

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I suppose we could pretend nothing is happening:

Alex, no where in my posting did I even hint that bad things don't and aren't happening in Mexico. Just two days ago a policeman in Alamos shot a street vendor. I don't know the whole story but reading a posting of articles posted in El Imparcial they gave it much play. A Mexican lady friend of ours told us there had been 4 people killed violently in the last week in Alamos.

At this writing we are in Albuquerque, NM and I can't even begin to remember in the past week how many violent acts have been committed. The most outstanding one, which is not being given much news space on TV or in the newspaper is the gang related murder of one young man and the wounding of two more. The murderer's mama was on TV this morning yelling that her son is innocent. (When he was shot at, he went into their house and got an AK47 returning to the fight, subsequently killing the one kid). One of my family is a Captain with APD and I can tell you may acts of violence never get reported in the media as they are so common place.

Yes, violence is all around us but I will still take my chances in my small Mexican town rather than a large US city.



alex .

Jul 17, 2007, 3:17 PM

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OK, sorry.
Alex



Oscar2

Jul 17, 2007, 3:43 PM

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Change is an absolute and with time (40 years) hence “convincingly” tells me now that back then at the age of 28, my boozed bravado and need to impress those around me with my flashy new chromed wheel car in a land where the disenfranchised hunger for more, I begged for it. I also don’t like pretending that I’m holier than thou.

Mistakes are not uncommon and some mistakenly revel in riding the coat tales of the media tactic of “fear mongering.” We all know its here, there and everywhere and probably will always be. To intentionally engage in fear mongering clearly demonstrates the authors routine need to feed a diminished sense of self by bringing attention not so much on these type of issues but more so to feed a famished ego needing all the attention it can get.

I seriously don’t believe “Fear Mongering” serves the better good of anyone on this forum. If this is what you need and want to embellish your existence, newspaper are available, as is TV news and/or horror movies. I kind of like to believe most of us have been around the block a few times already ……….



Jerry@Ajijic

Jul 17, 2007, 9:04 PM

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Brian, I am talking about home robberies not the drug wars that Alex is bringing up. If you have any better figures for VIOLENCE IN HOME ROBBERIES IN THE LAKE CHAPALA LIKESIDE I would be interested in seeing them. I personally know a number of people lakeside who have been robbed and there was no violence. In our case I did not even know I had been robbed until I went to Super Lake the next AM and discovered there was no money in my wallet. A friend did not know she was robbed until she saw the muddy footprints, etc.



Rolly


Jul 17, 2007, 9:28 PM

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Excuse me for being picky, but...

Robbery is a person-to-person crime -- you are personally faced with the robber.

Burglary is when your things are taken outside your presence. You discover something is missing -- you have been burglarized.

Rolly Pirate



Papirex


Jul 17, 2007, 9:57 PM

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I don’t mean to be picky either Rolly but… You are correct if speaking in English, but in Spanish there is no different word for robbing a person (robo en la calle) or burglarizing a home (robo de casa). Robbery in Spanish is robo. The qualifiers in a news story will make it clear whether it was a personal robbery, or a home robbery (burglary).

Rex
"The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved" - Victor Hugo



Brian

Jul 18, 2007, 4:30 AM

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I don’t mean to be picky either Rolly but… You are correct if speaking in English, but in Spanish there is no different word for robbing a person (robo en la calle) or burglarizing a home (robo de casa). Robbery in Spanish is robo. The qualifiers in a news story will make it clear whether it was a personal robbery, or a home robbery (burglary).

Rex


The verb "asaltar" is used in Mexico to connote what in english is described as a robbery. Asalto de banco is a bank robbery. Robo de casa is a burglary. Jerry, your response to my question was not very helpful. You had indicated that you had only heard of two described incidents in ten years but not where you typically get you information from. Thanks anyway.

Brian



alex .

Jul 18, 2007, 8:06 AM

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I appreciate your concern for the health of my ego, but its fine actually. Are those reports of violent crime scary to you? They do not scare me, rather they reinforce my view of the value of preparedness. What do many crime victims say afterwards? They say "He came out of nowhere" or "I didn't see it coming" or "I couldn't believe it was actually happening." You see, if you know whats going on, you won't be like a deer caught in headlights, unable to react and protect yourself. I've been around this forum for an awfully long time and I see the following comments frequently:

""I don't lock the doors to my home.
I use the ATM at night, no problem.
As a free man I can wander the streets at 2am , no problem.
Just mind your own business and you'll be fine.
I am a tourist, nobody wants to harm the tourism industry so I'll be fine.
I don't speak Spanish, so is that a problem?
I can't read the local paper, its in Spanish, get I get an English one?
Is it 10 dollars to the peso or the other way 'round?
Do you think anyone will notice my Rolex is a fake?
I don't need to be armed, the police will protect me.
Why do Mexican properties have gates and walls with broken glass on top , thats abit paranoid don't you think?
Nothing bad has ever happened to me before, why should the future be different?""

and the list goes on. These are comments and questions from normal, intelligent but clueless, forum participants, not drug addicts or folks misspending their youth. The opportunities for one to become a victim when acting like that are tremendous. For some reason unknown to me, people mistake the warmth of the Mexican people with being in a secure environment. There really is no connection. I personally am prepared for the bad guys. You hear stories of folks tied up, on their knees, begging the criminal for their lives. That will never happen to me and it shouldn't happen to anyone else either.

Live your life as you see best.

Alex


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Oscar2

Jul 18, 2007, 1:03 PM

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Alex, I started reading your post and again instantly “fear mongering” loomed and kind of a sense of disgust with the pain fear is supposed to instill completely turned me off. Fear whether you know it or not is a form of pain and in some poor folks cases, drastic pain.

There is a very large majority of this planets inhabitants who have been weaned on fear and the pain associated with it is such that some can’t understand or fathom living life without it or even at a reduced level.

Constant fear/pain is not only contagious but some folks lives are incomplete unless they pass on this epidemic of fear mongering which like a cattle prod validates their obsessive need to know they have instilled fear/pain in others. It some cases it can reach sadistic levels.

Your obsessive need to be right and splash fear mongering numbers in peoples faces, in my view, clearly directs focus not so much on your numbers but again, to a diminished sense of self, needing all the attention this cattle prod can herd more attention your way.

Would it make you feel any better if others and I, validated your crusade by throwing and flailing our arms in the air and hollering, “Okay Alex, I give up, I’m scared but now will you please allow us/me the courtesy of getting back to my real life where peace is just a little more important.”

Alex, I believe you’re a good guy but beware of the “mind” which feeds the ego and visa versa, it can be insatiable. Like Josie Wales, just keep on fighting…….

Hasta Luego Amigo



alex .

Jul 18, 2007, 1:35 PM

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peace, brother.
Alex



Oscar2

Jul 18, 2007, 3:16 PM

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Thank you Alex. At this stage of life peace for me and probably for allot of us, is very welcomed. Getting there or close to it for some can be very simple and for some or others, close to impossible.


I speak of it from the genuine pleasure it at times gives me. The funny thing is, it’s always been there and I didn’t know it. Please try and give me a little slack for somewhat pontificating in ways that mere words sometimes only get in the way.


Below is something I would like to share, which can be interesting and when considered, can possibly be funny to entertaining when awareness sets in.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUjLiLiriA



Huasta Luego Amigo



jennifer rose

Jul 18, 2007, 4:28 PM

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Let's get the conversation focused back upon Mexico, folks.



lmaxine

Jul 21, 2007, 6:58 PM

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I'm not Jerry but have lived in Ajijic for 12 years. I have heard of 4 cases of violent incidents. Two situations were very likely specifically targeted at the victims and not random, two seemed to be random. I get my information from reading local publications in Spanish, and from my Mexican network, in Spanish- from my maid, my neighbors, and my Mexican friends.
As for news from Guadalajara and other areas of Jalisco, that's a different story. Guadalajara newspapers and tv have many horror stories.
"He upon whose heart the dust of Mexico has lain will find no peace in any other land." Malcolm Lowry



Jerry@Ajijic

Jul 22, 2007, 1:33 PM

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Imaxine, The two were most assuredly aimed at the victims. The one in particular that involved a very popular and nice lady. Of the 2 that were not seemingly aimed at particular persons but I know that in at least one of the cases the homeowner made the first aggressive moves.



Georgia


Jul 23, 2007, 6:47 AM

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It is the custom here and in many parts of Europe to wall in your property and keep your car locked inside. Anything else is considered an invitation to theft. Every time we have visited family in Italy or Ecuador, before we moved to Mexico, we were always asked who was staying at our house in the US to guard it.



Gringal

Jul 23, 2007, 7:02 AM

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Good point, Georgia. "When in Rome...." etc.

Some people move here and build or buy houses with security suitable for a tiny town where everyone leaves their doors unlocked and the keys in the car. Such places may no longer exist, but the mentality remains.



colibri1

Feb 4, 2008, 8:06 PM

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GOOD ANSWER!!!
HUgs,
Marianne



Bethie

Feb 5, 2008, 4:10 AM

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I have read these posts regarding crime, violence, etc., and still have not and will not change my mind about moving to Monterrey next fall. I read the papers here in Baltimore Maryland and there is crime everywhere. I do not go to North Avenue at midnight looking for a pub for a drink, I do not go out at night here alone to use an ATM machine. Common sense must guide your actions here as anywhere in the world. I will not let fear keep me from meeting and living with my new family. Yes, it is alwasy good to know what is happening in your state and neighborhood, no matter where you live, but you can not dwell on the negative. Negativity breeds horrible things like hatred, depression, and these will manifest physical sickness in yourself. Life is to LIVE, not hide behind walls in fear. My biggest fear is whether my neighbor will have a blind rooster that crows at 3:00 a.m. instead of 5:00 a.m., or if I will be able to find Miller Lite.
Bethie



Judy in Ags


Feb 5, 2008, 9:58 AM

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When we were getting ready to move to Mexico (almost five years ago now), we were so amused at all our friends and acquaintances who threw the crime argument at us. Our response was, "Are you kidding? We live in ________County where there is a drive-by shooting several times a month, and we should be afraid to move to Mexico?"

We noticed among those who knew we were moving down here there was usually one of two responses--either "Oh, that is so neat!" or "Are you crazy?!" Some of those who thought we were crazy have kind of changed their minds, especially if they watch the weather reports where they live and compare them to where we live. The crime reports should also invoke a positive response to our living here.



alex .

Feb 8, 2008, 7:44 AM

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I think there are two kinds of crime to think about. Notice I said 'think about', not 'be scared about' or 'worried about'. Property and personal. I can always get more stuff. I had a car window broken out for a thermos of coffee and some stale fig newtons (my favorite breakfast I might add). So what, $127 USD later I had a new window. I had the tow dolly stolen off the back of the motorhome. Big deal, when I need another I'll get one. I had an old Nissan stolen, so what, I think I had seven cars at that time. I don't care about my money either, I'll make more. I don't care about jail, I would get out someday. Now personal safety is another issue, thats a one way trip, I can't come back from the grave. So I will continue to be ready for the bad guy's arrival, he will come one day, and he will have made a serious mistake. One can choose not to be ready and hope for the best, not my problem. Oh, I'm presently in Phoenix AZ, my thoughts are the same.
Alex


(This post was edited by alex . on Feb 8, 2008, 7:48 AM)



colibri1

Feb 9, 2008, 5:21 AM

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Oops, I must have been in my cups when I mistakenly clicked "reply" to Ferguson's post. I heartily agree with all you've said! Except for the part about Miller lite. Try Victoria.
Marianne