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TlxcalaClaudia

May 17, 2006, 12:18 PM

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I read this article on CNN. I don't feel so affected,but realize others might. Any of you feeling as nervous as this article claims some are feeling?

http://www.cnn.com/...o.fear.ap/index.html

Gringal

May 17, 2006, 12:23 PM

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As far as I know, nobody has ever accused CNN of being low-key in its reportage.

Bear

May 17, 2006, 12:44 PM

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One never has to over-react to the news because CNN will always do it for you. Bear

Rolly


May 17, 2006, 1:02 PM

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When I read that this morning, I thought this doesn't sound like the Mexico I know. It's more like Lou Dobbs' strange view.

My friend Rich in Texas has an interesting take:

"In the U.S., only something like 35% of the people trust the President, there are senseless acts of random violence reported in the media every day and there were huge demonstrations on the streets of every major city on May Day. It's also in the middle of an interminable foreign war.

"And, in the U.S., retired generals are openly calling for the Secretary of Defense's resignation.

"Is it on the "brink of chaos" too?"

Rolly Pirate


(This post was edited by Rolly on May 17, 2006, 1:15 PM)

Ed and Fran

May 17, 2006, 1:20 PM

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Teetering on the edge of chaos!? 50% fear government on the brink of losing control??? Mexico in a state of rage.....


Where the heck do they find these people to interview, and where are they doing the interviewing? Maybe in some places it's like that, but out here in the lesser provinces it's so quiet we're falling asleep. Maybe I need to go to Nuevo Laredo, Acapulco or Chiapas and see how it really is in Mexico.


Regards

Ed (Hey, Acapulco in the off season, wouldn't be that bad. Let me go and report back.....)

wendy devlin

May 17, 2006, 1:43 PM

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I think the time has finally arrived for a "MEXCONNECT ROAD TRIP, 2006"!

Let's get a bunch of us irregular 'regular's and poll who's got the best car/RV/buses for a Mexico road trip.

Hit the road and find out for ourselves what's hot and what's not.

Start from the north, pick up alex, swing by Lerdo for Rolly, nab Ed and Fran from their mid-day naps in Tampico...yup...any takers?

jennifer rose

May 17, 2006, 1:51 PM

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It's sort of like Town & Country's (or its ilk) description of San Miguel de Allende a few back: 25,000 passionate Americans live in this cultural oasis. As if the depictions of the town's elites in langorous postures against a backdrop of manicured gardens and magnificent sunsets were not enough, the idea of their passion never could escape my mind. Funny, when I go to San Miguel, I never seem to see very many of those passionate folks embracing the town as the author of that article promised were there. But then maybe I just go to the wrong places.

alex .

May 17, 2006, 2:13 PM

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I got an old Winnebago......as soon as I get out of the cathouse and reload.......the glue gun that is.
Alex

Gringal

May 17, 2006, 2:13 PM

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Passionate: Maybe just before "last call" at Harry's Bar. Or shaking their fists at the new paint job on the Parrochia?


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arbon

May 17, 2006, 2:19 PM

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The story is not from CNN but from Associated Press in the DF, and carried by CNN.

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"A poll published Friday in the Excelsior newspaper found 50 percent of respondents feared the government was on the brink of losing control. The polling company Parametria conducted face-to-face interviews at 1,000 homes across Mexico. The poll had a margin of error of 3 percentage points."
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wendy devlin

May 17, 2006, 2:52 PM

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Bueno! alex is up for the trip.

It seems like Jennifer and Gringal might want us to sniff around Los Labadores in SMA.

Now where did I leave my white jodhpurs and crop?


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Gringal

May 17, 2006, 3:35 PM

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Tennis dresses and little cap will probably do the job, too.

Ed and Fran

May 17, 2006, 4:45 PM

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Hey, we're always up for a road trip..................

But don't you think we ought to wait until after the elections are over and we see just how far into chaos the country has sunk? I mean, do we really want to be caught in the middle of a PRI rally in Villahermosa, or a ELZN uprising in San Cristobal, or even worse, election day traffic in the D.F.?

Regards

E&F

sfmacaws


May 17, 2006, 9:28 PM

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Not to mention that they don't sell booze on election day! We could be stuck in one of those demonstrations where all the ladies go out and sit on the road, that's fine but with no one selling cold beer? Ack!

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

Ron Pickering W3FJW


May 17, 2006, 10:38 PM

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Buy half a rack the day before. That should tide you over.....
Getting older and still not down here.

Nancy4


May 18, 2006, 5:04 AM

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Hola. I just posted Ed and Fran and Alex. I am very concerned with the upcoming election and the problem at the borders. I own a condo in Acapulco and always enjoy the travel down. But I cannot invision "things" staying the same, especially at the check points, etc. There will be a lot of misinformed and disturbed Mexican citizens. They don't like this anymore than we do. And, they have a lot of misconceptions. I read the article re CNN...not good. Nancy

caldwelld


May 18, 2006, 6:58 AM

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And have you the data to back that survey or are those just your opinions?
dondon

Pimienta

May 18, 2006, 8:22 AM

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I found the perfect vehicle.
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Gringal

May 18, 2006, 9:35 AM

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Waaaay cool, to say the least.

wendy devlin

May 18, 2006, 9:39 AM

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Oww-ehh, Pimiento, that's beauty on wheels!

OK, but is it a first/ economy class kind of rig or share-all a la Green Turtle?

Maybe this rig will bring out one of our closet millionaires to sport for the gas.

TlxcalaClaudia

May 18, 2006, 9:46 AM

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Hi Nancy-
Unfortunately the recent political events have already caused one member of my Mexican family to "Attack" me. But her take was so ridiculous, I completely wrote her off. She was yelling for free medical care for her and her kids (doesn't work, sleeps all day, watches telenovelas and Springer-like shows all day while her toddler is left unattended, been here NOB for 2 years hasn't learned a lick of English, demands an interpreter at PTA meetings and wants to know why the govt. won't pay for her medical care, after all, they get free education and free meals, why not free medical care?). I reminded her the demonstrations were for worker's rights, not free medical care. I Don't even have medical insurance for the last year and half and asked her to please stick to the REAL topic. She is quite stupified by what she reads in terms of what Americans owe her that I don't think she would be any different if these demonstrations never happened. She is the sort of person to not want to work but expect someone else to give her things...we have plenty of Americans here who are exactly the same way though. I honestly don't feel concerned, even after reading that article on cnn.com (tisk tisk, it WAS on CNN.com regardless WHO wrote it, sheesh). LIke you, I also have a house in Mexico. I am still leaving in a month for our move down. People like this sister-in-law (a cuna, not a cunada btw) will always gripe even if there is nothing to gripe about. I hope this makes you feel a little more at ease when I say my experience with Mexicans here or there makes me put faith in them. I believe they will not take personal feelings in regards to these demonstrations out on the first American they meet. What happens at the border will probably not be any different because of this. There have always been problems at the border, and those problems tend to get magnified by news media. When I posted the original question, I was not affected by that article and knew most expats in Mexico would be as unaffected. I guess down the road you could be right and I could be wrong....I sure hope not.

Claudine


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wendy devlin

May 18, 2006, 10:07 AM

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>don't you think we ought to wait until after the elections are over and we see just how far into chaos the country has sunk?

How about tracking down chaos itself...like chasing after tornados!

Of course, Ed, if you want to stay out of DF during the election, maybe Ron Mader'll go in while we party in the limo-rig with Pickering's pick.

Heh! Maybe Ms Powell will come back from Soweto for Tour '06.

Ron Pickering W3FJW


May 18, 2006, 12:58 PM

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Think you're going to have a bit of a problem if you ever take that rig into town. Also on some of those narrow switchbacks that seems so popular with the Mexican road builders.
Getting older and still not down here.

1ajijic


May 18, 2006, 1:22 PM

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Wow, could Mexico's upcoming election be any worse than the last two US ones? Talk about needing UN observers!
http://www.newbeginningsmexico.com

Gringal

May 18, 2006, 1:58 PM

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Interesting "observation". Without rapelling this thread over the edge, I'd like to point out that that we tend to "see" the crime rate in Mexico in brighter colors than we "see" the crime rate NOB. How about the divisions among the people in their many hard-bound political and social stances? NOB is a nation divided, dissatisfied with what they have for leadership but unable to come up with an alternative that a majority could agree upon.

Mexicans want changes, but I don't see the country as being as bitterly divided as the U.S on so many issues. Probably the biggest concerns in Mexico are the fear of violence and the breadbasket issue of border controls. None of the candidates CAN do anything much about the border issues and I think everyone knows it. That's a U.S. issue, and everyone also knows that's going in non-productive circles at present. In other words, a mess with no end in sight.

The Media loves it, of course. Bad news or potential bad news sells air time. Heaven forbid that the news should be so short on disasters or conflicts that people would shut off the TV and go shoot some hoops with their kids.

Nancy4


May 18, 2006, 1:58 PM

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Re: [caldwelld] A concern or media hype?

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Mostly my opinion re the travel. That is a personal perception of how it "may" change. No survey other than speaking to my friends and acquaintances I have met. Most with whom I have spoken have not been able to understand why they just can't go to work illegally, if necessary. There is work to be done. They see it pretty black and white. I asked several of my friends what would happen to me if I came into MX illegally with no papers and maybe even a little drugs. They always laugh and say oh no! Because we agree I probably wouldn't be seen all too soon. They understand that difference, but they need the work so badly they are willing to take the chance of getting caught. They don't know why there is such a problem. I did mention some of the costs and the example it sets for all immigration regulation. Every country has laws and those coming in need to abide by them. And yes, sometimes there are hardships. Who knows. I will just keep my fingers crossed and all my MX papers in order!

Nancy4


May 18, 2006, 2:11 PM

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Hola Claudine. This is my first trip around with any border difficulties so I am probably alittle hyper! Just returned from MX a week ago after spending a glorious 5 months there. Some one here on line mentioned the two certain reasons for (I think) choosing MX were 1. cheaper living and 2. climate. I would have to honestly add a third - the people. You know, I'm thinking here and perhaps I am looking at all the violence surrounding us at this point is time: Sept. 11th, the war, now the media has indeed picked on the border problems. I have absolutely no fear of living in Acapulco. I am far away from the "bay" and further away from the areas where I wouldn't go near anyway.As far as "attitudes", I tried to explain to many of my friends of the costs that are incurred by the illegal immigrants and the injustice. Those matters they understood, but then they would say but there is work that needs to be done! There is enough blame to go around this, but no one wants to fess up.

Gringal

May 18, 2006, 2:16 PM

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It's very true that it would be hard for an illegal immigrant to really "get" what's intrinsically "wrong" with coming NOB for work, when there is lots of work to be done. We all know that the immigration laws of the U.S. weren't carried by Moses from Mt.Sinai on tablets of stone. They came from Congress, which is a bit more fallible. The same Congress who gave us some extremely draconian rulings on various groups in the past. I'm assuming our gentle readers are aware enough of their U.S. History that I need not list them.

Do you suppose that underneath a lot of the posturing about illegal aliens is another sort of annoyance lurking deep in the hearts of a large number of U.S. Citizens? Welfare Queens, redux, anyone? If you could get a straight answer out of a number of people at the Drop-in Bar where the truth is actually told, do you think it's possible that some folks think that those jobs should be filled more or less forcibly by unemployed U.S. citizens? You know, the "Grand Plan" that a few beers so often produces: "let's put the lazy bums to work and we won't NEED those Mexicans?"
You think maybe the politicians are playing under the table to that audience and that's why nothing productive is being done about the problem? Ya think?

arbon

May 18, 2006, 2:16 PM

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Re: [TlxcalaClaudia] A concern or media hype?

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"I honestly don't feel concerned, even after reading that article on CNN.com (tisk tisk, it WAS on CNN.com regardless WHO wrote it, sheesh)"

Whom ever you consider was the messenger who posted the article, I am not trying to shoot the messenger, or the writer or the editor or the post man.

Or the people that took the poll, in the first place.
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Nancy4


May 18, 2006, 2:31 PM

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Hola Gringal. Ditto on the boobs in Congress. Most are so worried about getting elected or re-elected they are ready to sell their first born (some are probably on their 2nd and 3rd)! If there are many more of these "strikes" I suspect there will be a backlash. I am extremeely concerned about the illegals' "bennies. Have we gone in sane?

wendy devlin

May 18, 2006, 2:44 PM

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Gringal...are you hinting at an 'F' word here?

Far-out, fervor, fascism???

You wouldn't be the first to wonder.

alex .

May 18, 2006, 2:47 PM

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Obrador said something to the effect that the immigration issue is a Mexican disgrace: for not providing the opportunities that a petro-rich nation should.
Alex

Gringal

May 18, 2006, 3:37 PM

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Hinting? For anyone who's had the dubious pleasure of hearing a bunch of "problem solvers" with the collective brain power of a dozen gerbils rant about "what this country needs" after a few schooners of brew, you know exactly what I mean.
No offense to gerbils. They have their place in the cosmos.

TlxcalaClaudia

May 18, 2006, 4:08 PM

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Hi Nancy-
Glad your experience in your MExico travels were positive. I tell you, I have a few folks on my end begging me not to go to Mexico....but like you, I saw it for what it was/is and can't stay away for this upcoming trip.
:)
Claudine

TlxcalaClaudia

May 18, 2006, 4:10 PM

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Gringal-

Flat out heard such comments here (I am in Atlanta though, sentiments in this town such as the one you described are not uncommon).

Alex-
I always felt this way. Disappointed the country my hubby is from can't offer a little more to their own citizens. I hope, I pray, I wish that one day that will change.


(This post was edited by TlxcalaClaudia on May 18, 2006, 4:14 PM)

esperanza

May 18, 2006, 8:57 PM

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The PRD candidate's name is Andrés Manuel López Obrador.

He is often called AMLO (in the press), or López Obrador, or just Sr. López.




http://www.mexicocooks.typepad.com








drfugawe


May 19, 2006, 7:07 AM

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Obrador said something to the effect that the immigration issue is a Mexican disgrace: for not providing the opportunities that a petro-rich nation should.
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Frankly, the US shares that disgrace - if wages for the jobs which are so attractive to border crossers were not such a disgrace here at home (and agri-employers were not allowed to pay illegals even less) there'd be a leveling of the playing field that would result in a self-correction. However, I love the way this issue is destroying the Repubs from within. Maybe a by-product of this negativity might just be a restructuring of Congress. OK, that might not solve the problem, but if it serves to shut up the Lou Dobbs' and the Bill O'Reillys', that'll seem like a victory of sorts.

John
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"Self-respect: the secure feeling
that no one, as yet, is suspicious."
H.L. Mencken
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1ajijic


May 19, 2006, 7:31 AM

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We're of one mind. Interesting observation - this morning a painter at my house (20's married one child) asked, "s it true that Bush is going to start a war?" He was really concerned.
http://www.newbeginningsmexico.com

alex .

May 19, 2006, 8:04 AM

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Those are interesting words. What do they mean?
Alex

pat

May 19, 2006, 10:21 AM

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1 Ajijic. What did you tell him?

Pat

alex .

May 19, 2006, 12:38 PM

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Yea, thats what I said: Obrador. Maybe I spell it wrong.

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch sudty at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteers are in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. Initsenretg!!

Mr. Alex the 3rd


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alex .

May 19, 2006, 1:25 PM

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We tend to get used to whatever danger there is where we live. Did your place in Acapulco have bars on the windows? Did it even have windows? Do you lock the doors at night? Do you park the car off the street? Of course you are not afraid, nothing bad has happened to you.
Alex

mazgordon


May 19, 2006, 4:55 PM

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I just read that the legislature has repealed the "dry laws". It seems like too many folks were getting drunker on election day than on regular days.

ˇEchar todo la carne al asador!

Nancy4


May 19, 2006, 7:23 PM

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Re: [alex .] I have absolutely no fear of living in Acapulco

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I live with well-educated Mexicans cits who love their country and love what gringos bring to their country. Most are the first to admit it. As far as windows, bars; windows, yes, bars, no. Acapulco is safer than 100 percent of NOB major cities, Bro. The April violent episode, unfortunately was the gravest ACA has seen. Can't say the same for the US cities. I have been afraid in the states, what does that mean?

Interesting take from comments knocking Bush re low wages, providing immigrants with less than what they deserve. Did you ever notice that most "average/above-average MEXICAN who pays for Mexican workers' labor pays less than even these American agricultural businesses. Now go figure!

Nancy4


May 19, 2006, 7:25 PM

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It means another confused Mexican. Ya gotta love the media.

Nancy4


May 19, 2006, 7:30 PM

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Shame on Obrie (Obrador). He needs to read Fire and Blood, the history of Mexico, to understand their politicians were (are) far worse to their own people than NOB pols.

Nancy4


May 19, 2006, 7:41 PM

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The media in the US is our worse enemy. They sold papers with the impeachment of Clinton and they can't stand Bush because he doesn't live by political polls. Chaos, morbid news sells newspapers. Sadly, it's the American way. The information highway...questionable.

MazDee

May 19, 2006, 11:13 PM

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I am sorrry, I am a polite person, but I am really tired of Nancy talking to herself. This forum is about Mexico and I want to learn more about my new country.

sfmacaws


May 20, 2006, 12:06 AM

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Actually, if you look at the header, she is responding to individual posts separately. It's fairly common to see that as the way to go although the 'culture' here on MC rewards those that respond to all previous posts in one post. I think it is easier to read responses that are all in one post but I understand when someone new doesn't get it. Perhaps just this explanation will solve the problem, meanwhile perhaps a little slack is in order.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

Nancy4


May 20, 2006, 6:11 AM

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MazDee. Chill darlin'. I like me and I don't know about you, but I talk to myself all the time! As far as your comment goes, no cat play here. I have just returned from 5 months in ACA and many areas of MX and wanted to share with the good people here my experiences to their concerns or interests. I am a beginner and still on page one. Maybe, you were a quicker study than I. I won't apologize for enjoying to pick the brains and talk with the lovely people here, but now that I am back, I will research page two of instructions.

P.S. It is still a free website...don't read my posts, girl!

MazDee

May 20, 2006, 10:03 AM

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I sincerely apologize! I was in a cranky mood when I wrote that. Please forget I said anything. Dee

MazDee

May 20, 2006, 12:25 PM

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Hi Nancy, I intended to make my apology to you publicly, but since you responded by private message I realize that I accidentally sent you a private reply. I want to tell others as well that I am sorry for my cranky post! I will lighten up! Dee

alex .

May 22, 2006, 8:09 AM

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unfortunately was the gravest ACA has seen...

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No...its the gravest thats been recently published. The reality will become apparent by and by, no need for me to tell you about it.
Alex

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May 22, 2006, 11:11 AM

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Ok alex.

Care to come out direct with what you perceive as currently the general situation in that part of Mexico?

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May 22, 2006, 1:58 PM

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Nope. These fora are pro-Mexico-tourism. Anything I might say would discourage tourism. Its not my place to do that, rather, its the US State Department's responsibility in the form of Travel Advisories.
Alex

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May 23, 2006, 10:36 AM

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Watch for news regarding the agents of Mexico Seguro, the task force sent to serve and protect.
Bienvenido Paisano my a$$.
Alex
http://www.esmas.com/...a/mexico/472669.html


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sfmacaws


May 23, 2006, 1:31 PM

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OK, I read that. So they've got this whoop-ass federal detail and they are sending them in to Aca, Zihua, and the surrounding countryside to do what they were formed to do. Right? So, there will be a battle royale and hopefully the good guys win and also hopefully the good guys really are good guys and stay good guys. Then they go away and it is business as usual, nothing changes.

What I don't get is the bienvenidos paisanos comment Alex, what does this have to do with the returning workers? Do you think that is who is involved in these gangs in Guerrero? I must be missing something.

Frankly, I hope the whoop-ass boys go to work there and at the border and really do clean it up. It's time some of those idiots got disappeared. Sorry, it's my right wing fanaticism cropping up again. I'll just go off and clean my gun.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

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May 23, 2006, 1:55 PM

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Thanks for the link to the news article, alex.

So the FEDS are arriving to clean up Dodge.

Time will out...if they'll have much success.

Down the road aways, ZihuaRob has run his own message board for his community, lo, this many years. Rob is married to a local gal with her family home and tourism business el centro and several other properties in the area.

Rob, bless his heart(although I have never met the man) is not afraid to tell about his town and general area: da good, da bad and the ugly.

He loves the area, his community. He's lived there for many years and has no intention of leaving.

When Rob writes of increased violence, corruption and increased general slime-ball activity in his balliwick...I listen.

However he's only one man...and only sees...or tells...so much.

And who's to know...what else there is to know.


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indyoldguy

May 24, 2006, 12:21 AM

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Has anyone else noticed that immigration reform only became a crisis when the President's pro war tour failed to produce results ? While reform is needed, just a wall will not solve the problems of adminstering a non-existant tracking infrastructure. Translation - the US government doesn't have a clue about what constitutes an organized immigration policy and if they did, they couldn't adminster it effectively ( see FEMA in New Orleans ). My opinion is that this "crisis" is just a red herring to avoid a failed war. The unfortunate results are that 2 peoples that really like each other are being pitted against each other. To quote Winston Churchill " don't tell my mother I'm in politics, she thinks a play piano in a bordello."

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the dateline of the link Alex posted is 8 months' old (September 5, 2005).... are there any updates?
Sandy Kramer
Miami, Fla & El Parque

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May 24, 2006, 10:13 AM

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Mexico Seguro agents have been around several months now, and as was mentioned it is not clear who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. We do know that, according to locals, there has been nothing but trouble since their arrival.
The paisano program is designed to welcome Mexican expat tourists, some have received more welcome than they can stand, and will never return.
What chills me to the bone me is that when one is touring the area and encounters a late model car with no police markings and dark tinted windows blocking the road, one has a very, very, important decision to make at that moment. I do not think the average tourist is prepared for that.
Alex


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May 24, 2006, 11:20 AM

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Alex "

also.....

No gloss/flat black with no plates, and making no discernible sound, driving right beside you.

(and you ask your self where the hell did that come from?)
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May 24, 2006, 12:03 PM

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".....one has a very, very, important decision to make at that moment. I do not think the average tourist is prepared for that. "

Now that you've scared the bejeezus out of a few folks out there, what decision would YOU make at that point???

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Such a scenario could be:
A broke-down rental car....no, rentals don't have tinted windows. A local highway robber type maybe.....not likely in a new car. I know, undercover PGR, thats it....doing traffic stops, not likely. Narcos, yea thats it, narcos....well maybe you're on to something if you have piqued their interest some way. Mexico Seguro........


Gringal: My personal choice must not be taken as general advice. With that said I would elect not to stop and take my lumps for whatever happens afterwards.

Alex


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May 24, 2006, 1:45 PM

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If reading alex's posts, over the past few months, he mentioned, putting the pedal to the metal.

Getting as much distance between his family...and 'whatever'.

Two good ol' boys in southern Texas, decided to terrorize, our sleeping family one night. Decisions in such situations, are often made, in a heart-beat.

You know you can't win in a 'fight'...they having total advantage...so you 'flight'.

Although I remember holding on to the camping shovel with both hands at the trailer door, while arbon booted the van with trailer, to safety up the road.

I'd have killed those goons, to protect our three kids. Or died trying.

sfmacaws


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But Alex, the paisano program is not designed for ex-pat tourists but for returning mexican workers from NOB. They are either in the game or not and my guess is that most of them are not. The real players aren't NOB as much since they don't want to waste a lot of time in the carcel. Over and back quickly is my guess. Anyway, I don't think any of this relates to the paisano program.

As to your other scenario, I hope to never encounter it but I have thought about it and Mimi and I have discussed possible responses. One thing, in all our travels around Mexico we have intentionally skipped the state of Guerrero and the southern coast of Michoacan. There are a lot of beautiful beaches in Mexico and we are not really comfortable in Guerrero. To me, it seems like almost a separate country with its own private armies and very little control. Before you jump on me about Sinaloa and the border areas, we spend as little time as possible near the border and we drive right on through Culiacan as well. I keep wanting to go see the shrine to Jesus Malverde but Mimi nixes it. One of the reasons we didn't like Alamos very much is that several people warned us not to drive out into the countryside around town as it was harvest time and people were nervous. If I wanted to deal with that I could live in Humboldt county in California.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán

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The program designed to reduce the screwing of Mexicans by the Mexican Aduana and others ?
Sometimes, as my wife is a Mexican citizen, I speak with her voice. I didn't mean to refer to other than returning Mexican expats.
http://www.paisano.gob.mx/acerca.php?


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exactly! but that has nothing to do with ex-pat tourists or the troubles in ACA - at least that I can see? Where's the connection?


or..... is the connection Mexican Seguro? I think the Paisano program is to keep them from getting robbed when they come home by govt agents so I suppose there could be a connection. Although, it sounds like the attacks in ACA are not targeted at returning workers by any means.

Jonna - Mérida, Yucatán



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In our travels we are represented by an American Tourist (me) and a Mexican expat (her). These travels take us to ACA and thereabouts. Everything that we experience happens to both a tourist and MX expat. I made the Paisano remark in the same light as a foreigner receiving his first US paycheck, less taxes: Welcome to America. That is, you expect great things but less than great things happen. Ni modo. I know of no connection between the Aduana and the special task force.
Alex


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May 24, 2006, 2:41 PM

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OK, now I'm confused.

Are you saying alex, that you felt that you and your wife were especially, 'targeted' in this situation, because of her status as a Mexican ex-pat?

Not just a general when, 'bad things happen to good people' type scenario?

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Any bad thing that happens will happen in a non-discriminatory manner, doesn't matter if one is a tourist, local, citizen or not. This is an important point for those who insist that trouble is between locals or narcos and your average good guy is exempt( we can make that another thread).Its my understanding that the Paisano program is set up to welcome the huge numbers of Mexicans who live outside Mexico and are returning for the holiday, or even to stay for good. If a Mexican citizen returned to Mexico and was, for example, assasinated, you could say with true sarcasm: Welcome Compatriot, my butt. If I have a poor, or just plain wrong impression of the program it doesn't affect the sarcastic usage of the term.
It would be best if "Bienvenido Paisano" is stricken from the original post.
Alex


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This thread has become somewhat long and meandering. (and hence has been locked)
Please feel free to start up the discussion again, but under a new heading!
 
 
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