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cbviajero

Jun 5, 2015, 10:16 AM

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The Governments, Mexico and USA for export, did have very clear cut rules on what can be imported and how to import a used car.

Clear cut..seriously??
Didn't they just recently change the rules so that now only 2006-2007 vehicles can be imported?


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YucaLandia


Jun 6, 2015, 5:53 AM

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We've gone far afield from the problems with "UCD plates", but it's a fun discussion.

VIN verification for non-border imports: Friends of ours explained that the last amparo for "paper-only" imports (that functioned, producing legitimate pedimentos) had a requirement that the VIN of the vehicle be confirmed/certified - with fotos of the front, back, and sides of car - plus a foto of the VIN, before Aduana would process the "paper-only" import.

This amparo worked without using a car-dealership intermediary.

The most recent news in May that we've had from a licensed customs broker at the Belize border says that "paper-only" import applications for 8-9 year old NAFTA vehicles are trickling through, and that VIN verification and fotos are required.

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steve
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E-visit at http://yucalandia.com


playaboy

Jun 7, 2015, 8:59 AM

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This 11/2014 article states that 150,000,000 pesos or more have been stolen fraudulently in this car mess by members of UCD. It also appears that there is a leadership civil war going on.

http://translate.google.com/...e-de-su-ex-dirigente


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cbviajero

Jun 7, 2015, 9:47 AM

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This 11/2014 article states that 150,000,000 pesos or more have been stolen fraudulently in this car mess at by members of UCD. It also appears that there is a leadership civil war going on.

http://translate.google.com/...e-de-su-ex-dirigente

Google translate really does suck,they're translation for pesos is..dollars..


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playaboy

Jun 7, 2015, 9:58 AM

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This 11/2014 article states that 150,000,000 pesos or more have been stolen fraudulently in this car mess at by members of UCD. It also appears that there is a leadership civil war going on.

http://translate.google.com/...e-de-su-ex-dirigente

Google translate really does suck,they translated (150,000,000 pesos into 150,000,000 dollars...


Your Spanish is better than mine. Google translate is better than nothing for someone like me. I knew it meant pesos not dollars.

Putting that figure into dollars it is 10 million in stolen money just dealing with car nationalization. That is a lot of money What percentage of that money came from expats in the last couple of years? 5-10%?

If any one does a little research they will see that there is a long history of problems and FRAUDULENT car issues at UCD. Why would any intelligent expat consider going that route with their car issue and even try to deal with UCD?


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Gringal

Jun 8, 2015, 9:13 AM

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Simple answer as to why? Because it's easier, and perhaps a little cheaper.

My advice to those who need to have a Mexican plated car: Sell yours the legal way. Buy a Mexican car of your choice through a legit dealer and avoid the aggravation. Buy something practical for these miserable cobblestone streets. Tires go to hell fast here.


slainte39

Jun 8, 2015, 11:14 PM

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Another reason why, is that the program (UCD), was allowed to be hyped to the nth degree on some boards, which fit perfectly with people feeling desperate for a solution to a problem. Something akin to all sorts of cancer treatments, that produce negligible or negative results.


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Gringal

Jun 9, 2015, 7:03 AM

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Furthermore, the postings were protected to the point that questioning of the legitimacy was not permitted. Most criticism was deleted or posters reprimanded for doing so.

IMO, this is not serving the purpose of a public web board, which is to not only permit, but to encourage posters to questions matters they are unsure of .
Had the questions been allowed, there may well have been a lot of money saved by people who can ill afford to make mistakes.

I was outraged by the situation and on here, there appears to be a policy of seeking the truth. I, personally, was not a victim of the scam since I am very cautious about putting my money in places I'm unsure of.
I got my Mexican plates the legal way: sent my old car north and bought a Mexican plated car. No worries.


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addtocart

Jun 9, 2015, 7:10 AM

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Furthermore, the hype was protected to the point that questioning of the legitimacy was not permitted. Most criticism was deleted or posters reprimanded for doing so.

IMO, this is not serving the purpose of a web board, which is to not only permit, but to encourage posters to questions matters they are unsure of .

Had the questions been allowed, there may well have been a lot of money saved by people who can ill afford to make mistakes.

I made many posts outlining the problems with running UCD plates on your car, and was summarily flamed for my trouble.

I stand by my posts. If you really think that joining an organization, that was created to help poor campasinos drive their old trucks around the farm, will solve your foreign-plated vehicle problem, then drive on. I'm just surprised the Federales haven't stepped in before now.


slainte39

Jun 9, 2015, 1:17 PM

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Well, to this board's credit, the UCD facilitator was warned to hold down the hype and solicitation. Not so, on another board where they ran full steam with advertising and self backslapping, as if they owned the board.
If you were flamed, it was probably by paid shills, as any thinking person with a fourth grade education, would conclude exactly what you stated.......it was a program for campesinos and the rural farm area.


I also remember all the thank you, thank you's to the perpetrator, for the wonderful service and help in perpetuating the UCD program/scam, that was like God's gift to Moses. Some of the same hypocrites, will probably complain about the corruption in Mexico.


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RickS


Jun 9, 2015, 1:22 PM

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"IMO, this is not serving the purpose of a public web board, which is to not only permit, but to encourage posters to questions matters they are unsure of."

I couldn't agree with you more, Gringal. The problem is there has to be some decorum exhibited whilst permitting said questioning, and that's sometimes a fine line. But some folks just can't address a 'premise/question/statement/conclusion without immediately flaming or being unnecessarily rude, attacking the Poster or sending them inflammatory PMs. Mexconnect has a long-standing Policy that it is OK to 'question' the thing but it is NOT OK to attack the person who proposed it... even if the proposer's position seems to be invalid, questionable, boastful or otherwise not according to another's viewpoint. There are civil ways of doing this and then there are childish ways. I don't see that Policy changing in order to appease the few attacker's desires, public web board or not.

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Gringal

Jun 9, 2015, 1:23 PM

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I agree with Rick S. that there are civilized ways to question matters without getting personal. No excuses for boorish behavior, and yes, there was some of that.

However, in this particular case, I saw both kinds of behavior. Simple questions, doubts, non-personal........all were out of bounds. That's my objection to the way it was handled.

I don't think you'd need any education beyond the simplest reading comprehension to realize that a program intended to help poor farmers was not suitable for expat retirees and should be at least somewhat vetted before being.....let's call it what it was.......heavily advertised to the benefit of one facilitator.

Are any refunds for "facilitating" going to be forthcoming to the folks who paid fees and didn't get the promised results? If not, why not?


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slainte39

Jun 9, 2015, 1:48 PM

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Oh they got results alright, they can operate their vehicles in GTO, down on the farm.
When this program was questioned, and maybe the facilitator too, which as Rick says, is not allowed, the pushback was, the questioners were all foreigners married to, I guess abused Mexican women, and also that there was some evil bias against Mexican women from indulging in a perfectly legitimate business enterprise.(eyes rolling)


Gringal

Jun 9, 2015, 1:52 PM

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Sainte: STOP THAT. I could injure my self from ROFLMAO.


tonyburton / Moderator


Jun 9, 2015, 4:18 PM

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At my advanced age, it is astonishing how many things come round full circle, if you only wait long enough. The UCD situation in Guanajuato was/is a very close cousin indeed to the almost identical movement in Jalisco some twenty five years ago. I know all about that particular operation, not because I ever had UCD plates/stickers, but because the local office in Jocotepec for such paperwork was run by a relative of our then landlady and occupied a rental space which had formerly been our garage...


AlanMexicali


Jun 9, 2015, 6:00 PM

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https://translate.google.com/...it-text=&act=url


I lived about 7 years ago for a couple of years and visited Mexicali for decades. There were/are California plated vehicles with expired tags there, some from as long ago as 2006. Not thousands but many and mostly beaters. The police didnīt care. Some people I knew drove them, They said they didnīt get stopped. They said when this one dies I sell it to a dismantler and buy another one for about $1000 US.

For the first time it looks like the SAT peopl care about them.


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slainte39

Jun 9, 2015, 6:56 PM

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SAT never used to care about small underground businesses either but they are on a 10 year plan to bring those into the tax base fold.
Nothing is forever.


chinagringo


Jun 9, 2015, 8:02 PM

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Won't sit well with many Americans but fact of the matter is that there is a prevailing sense of entitlement whereby American imports to Mexico feel there must be an easy way out of this most recent thorn in their sides! If we take the Lake Chapala area as an example, that same one or two day drive that many took driving down through Laredo is of similar length and maybe even has a shorter drive time? But all of a sudden, it has become a hardship or imposition that just might disrupt lives for a few days. Hell, the relatively simple drive into Guadalajara seems to have become a real hardship to many?

So now many have gone an alternate route and finding out they have been screwed while others chose to wait it out while attempting to find an easy way out. And where is everyone positioned at this stage? There are those who cannot get their vehicles nationalized because of the many abuses and the fact that these procedures have been halted. Then there are those who became firmly convinced that they were smarter than the system and have paid dearly for paperwork with virtually no validity. I know that I certainly would be upset with the Guadalajara Airport scam or the Guanajuato UCD scam where I can no longer drive my vehicle outside of the State out of fear what might happen with the Federales!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



playaboy

Jun 10, 2015, 7:13 AM

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For the first time it looks like the SAT people care about them.


I have taken over a dozen cars out of the country during the last year or so. I have been stopped by different authorities at checkpoints many times. They have included the SAT, PGR, INM, Federales, Fiscales, Army and Navy, transitos and State cops. Almost all of them have and are playing with smartphones. It is very easy for them to be online, almost anywhere in MX. They can run your VIN number to check on the vehicles status. They have the means to enforce the laws now.

Do expats believe those websites that Intercasa and Sonia recommend to check if your car is legal are for expats? Those websites are for the aurthorities including the cops

Didn't Intercasa post about a client getting stopped, car impounded, and fined 15,000 pesos?

Most of my local friends are hoping for another amnesty program soon. They have been waiting for the election to be finished.


cbviajero

Jun 10, 2015, 7:40 AM

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For the first time it looks like the SAT peopl care about them.

Yep,they care about them,first they confiscate them,then they auction them off according to the article you linked.
Que bonito....


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RickS


Jun 10, 2015, 9:56 AM

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Well I for one, using THAT google translate, could not definitively say exactly what was being said. Maybe the gist but surely not a good flow of the essence.


addtocart

Jun 10, 2015, 10:05 AM

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Yep,they care about them,first they confiscate them,then they auction them off according to the article you linked.
Que bonito....

Figures. They confiscate the chocolate cars because they bite too hard into the used car business in Mexico. Then they turn around and auction them off into the same market. The used car dealers, I suppose, buy most of the cars for their own inventories and somehow that increases the number of buyers who can afford to buy them?


cbviajero

Jun 10, 2015, 10:08 AM

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Well I for one, using THAT google translate, could not definitively say exactly what was being said.

Neither could I,but the original Spanish version was pretty clear.
My personal favorite Google translation from a newspaper article;"They encountered wives and goat horns in the suspicious vehicle"...


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playaboy

Jun 10, 2015, 10:43 AM

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Yep,they care about them,first they confiscate them,then they auction them off according to the article you linked.
Que bonito....

Figures. They confiscate the chocolate cars because they bite too hard into the used car business in Mexico. Then they turn around and auction them off into the same market. The used car dealers, I suppose, buy most of the cars for their own inventories and somehow that increases the number of buyers who can afford to buy them?


I don't think protecting the used car business is SAT first thought. I believe auctions are about getting the money they would when somebody legally imports and pays the taxes. SAT wants the MONEY.

I agree with Rick about the translation. CB, Alan or anybody else care to helps us out?

Can you imagine what would happen if SAT and IMN set up a checkpoint in Ajijic?

I have tried to avoid saying anything about Sonia/John I didn't want this thread locked. Check out Sonia's latest Facebook post. First she deleted her post that Addtocart started this thread about and then....... Just go read for yourself. The only other thing I want to say about them is; if you look at the dates of some of the UCD articles posted here or when you search Google, they were published at the height of their solicitations online. (MOD's if this is over the line than delete it but don't lock the thread)

Just saying!!!


cbviajero

Jun 10, 2015, 11:34 AM

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I don't think protecting the used car business is SAT first thought. I believe auctions are about getting the money they would when somebody legally imports and pays the taxes. SAT wants the MONEY.

SAT can have my money,I'll gladly pay them the import fees.
I think it's the Mexican car manufacturers and dealerships that are behind this and as the article points outs the most affected are Mexicans who can't afford to buy new or semi-new vehicles from their dealerships.


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