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YucaLandia


Jul 6, 2015, 7:03 PM

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Yes, Rick, even balding-old guys sometimes find the acorn. ... *grin*
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**More thanks for the support of mi esposa especial, amigos buenos, mis hijas, ... mi suegra tesoro, mis cuñados, ... Rolly ... , and to years of good contributors to Mexconnect.

Happy Trails,
steve
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cbviajero

Jul 6, 2015, 7:31 PM

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Special thanks to CBviajero for his personally supporting me and encouragements on nailing obscure past perfect Spanish verb tense

You're welcome.
I wish I could have been there to hear you sing the Himno Nacional.


YucaLandia


Jul 6, 2015, 7:47 PM

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Special thanks to CBviajero for his personally supporting me and encouragements on nailing obscure past perfect Spanish verb tenses.

You're welcome.
I wish I could have been there to hear you sing the Himno Nacional.


Fortunately, the Himno is easy ...

especially compared to Messiah solos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlgwqoFDCJA

Happy Trails,
steve
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Jul 6, 2015, 7:49 PM)


rockydog85251

Jul 6, 2015, 8:07 PM

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Congrats!!! I would never have made it if all that was required in 2008 when I took the exam...written-multiple choice, fill in the blanks...10 questions ...a little verbal exchange and that was all. Not sure what it is like now in Sinaloa.
BUT have to say that it is no surprise that you made it!
Willie


viktoremski


Jul 8, 2015, 11:09 AM

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Hi Steve,
Congratulations! I hope that the higher history test bar is a local Merida thing. I will be applying for citizenship at the end of this year in Baja California. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to call you paisa a year from now ;-)
"Vic" Artur


YucaLandia


Jul 8, 2015, 11:46 AM

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Do well, Viktor!

I too hope that this is just a Merida SRE thing.

The Merida SRE abogado said that they only process about 10 to 12 citizenship applications per year for English speakers (Canadians, Americans, and Brits).
steve
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No checa andar de tacuche

Jul 9, 2015, 2:52 PM

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¡Felicidades! For passing the citizenship exam!


elpasotom

Aug 1, 2015, 1:07 PM

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What other documents did you have to bring with you?


regrant

Sep 29, 2015, 2:43 PM

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Re: [DavidMcL] Part 2 - Recent experiences in INM and Consulate office

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Hello/Holla,
I'm starting the process of applying for a visa. Shooting for Permanent Residence.
Questions:
Any recent experience with the Seattle or Portland consulate? Posts here indicate the Seattle office 1) requests information not in the rules and 2) generally not helpful. Portland office has better reviews. In terms of websites, the Portland one is more up to date....
Anyone have experience with the local INM office in Oaxaca and completing the visa process there? Or any review of any other experience there?
Do I have this right: Once I complete the consulate application process, I have 6 months to get to Oaxaca, and then must go to the local INM office within 30 days of arrival?
And any other info would be appreciated.
Thank you!


YucaLandia


Oct 1, 2015, 3:23 PM

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There have been a number of internet posts saying that the Mexican Consulate in Portland has been good to work with.

In particular, search for roni_smith 's posts ... like this one:
http://www.mexconnect.com/cgi-bin/forums/gforum.cgi?post=199559;search_string=portland;t=search_engine#199559

or send Roni a PM.

Happy Trails,
steve
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YucaLandia


Oct 14, 2015, 7:31 AM

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On Oct. 9, I received notification from our Merida SRE office that SRE in DF have approved me for Naturalized Mexican Citizenship. (They say they will call me when they receive my official letter.)

I successfully completed all paperwork & exams on July 6, 2015 - which makes a 3 month delay between completing exams and being notified of citizenship by SRE-DF.

General Timeline & Details for the Process in Merida:
My Notario started the naturalized citizenship process for me on about May 15 - making preliminary submissions of my documents for SRE to check. That all went well: KUDOS to Notario Lic. Mauricio Rojano. About 2 weeks later SRE instructed us to get police reports on my background from both Yucatan State & DF. ... It took 3 trips to our Fiscalía General Publica - Yucatan State office - over about a week to get my state police record, and we used my Notario's representative/associate in DF to get my national police record - received within 5 business days of the request (including document shipping).

Sidelight: Last-minute flights to Mexico City from Merida are quite expensive, so it was far cheaper to pay the Notario to get the national police report - so, the $$ we saved by NOT traveling to Mexico City were actually more than the total that the Notario charged for getting INM, wedding certificate, & police reports, and preparing & filing my citizenship application.

I next went for a June 15 appointment to our Merida SRE office to sign forms. On-the-spot: They invited me to take the written exam, to take the Spanish language competency exam, to explain why I wanted to become a Mexican Citizen & answer personal questions and Mexican culture questions, ... and to also make a 30 minute (or so) all-Spanish language oral narrative of the history and governance of Mexico covering pre-Columbian Mexico up through the Colonial period, the War for Independence, the 19'th century, the Revolution, and forward through Lázaro Cárdenas del Rio up through WW2 (ending with the resolution with the USA for the La Expropiacion Petrolera). ...

No lo se why they had me stop at that point in history, but they then had me shift to explaining el Escudo, la Bandera y el Himno Nacionales, (los Símbolos Patrios), y los Azatlán ... They required me to recite (or sing) the El Coro, Estrufo 1 y Estrofo 10 of the Himno. I was unable to do these things (with no warning / no preparation) - so, I returned on July 6 to complete these requirements. ... As far as we can tell, NO other SRE offices are requiring so much in the exams - so it appears that these are special requirements recently added by our "new" SRE delegado.


Summarizing: It has taken roughly 5 months to get approved for Mexican naturalized citizenship ... though I haven't received my final letter/ceremony yet. ... If I had been prepared to take the exams on my first visit to SRE, the process may have been faster - as my locally-SRE-approved application would have been submitted well before the gobierno's summer vacation weeks. ??

Maybe the days of a 1 year-long (or more) process are gone ? (at least for Yucatan / Merida)

Clearly, computerized records of my passport, computerized INM records, computerized police records, database records of exits and entries into Mexico have made the process faster and smoother for people who qualify.

Happy Trails,
steve
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Oct 14, 2015, 7:38 AM)


viktoremski


Oct 14, 2015, 10:23 AM

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Even though the sadistic delegado made the tests ridiculously difficult, what counts is that it is almost over for you. As they say in German, "Ende gut, alles gut". Congratulations!


soulpatch

Oct 16, 2015, 7:20 AM

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Wow, that is amazing about that. I have never heard about the singing part!
I have much to learn before I can even attempt this endeavor.... I'll probably be close to 60 by the time I am that competent.

I better brush up on my ol' song and dance routine!


YucaLandia


Oct 16, 2015, 1:39 PM

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Wow, that is amazing about that. I have never heard about the singing part!
I have much to learn before I can even attempt this endeavor.... I'll probably be close to 60 by the time I am that competent.

I better brush up on my ol' song and dance routine!


Singing is a great way to remember all that Himno text ~ esp. with the archaic 17'th - 18'th century flowery verbs: " massiosare "... et al.

Fortunately, the requirements for 60 and older applicants are MUCH lower, and ... the extra-exam requirements I mention above are JUST FOR YUCATAN ...
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YucaLandia


Oct 16, 2015, 2:11 PM

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Ooooo....

Forgot to mention: The SRE sent a last-minute email on Wednesday requesting that I come in Thursday (yesterday) to:

~ Sign the final 4 forms (w/duplicates) - renouncing any foreign citizenships and promising to use only a Mexican passport when entering and exiting Mexico and sign multiple copies of my Carta de Naturalización
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~ Sign forms stating that I was surrendering my Residente Permanente Visa from INM - along with surrendering it on-the-spot (a change from the old previous procedure - where you turned in the visa at INM)

~ agree to go into INM and file a formal notice within 90 days that you have naturalized citizenship

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~ participate in a little citizenship ceremony.

I then trotted over to the SRE passport office next door ... where they gave a list of what to bring + instructions on contacting a special 01-800 SRE-DF phone-cita-scheduling hotline.

I paid for the passaporte this afternoon, have a cita for early Monday morning, and will have my passaporte Monday afternoon - in time for Wednesday travel back to Colorado for my daughter's wedding.

Mexican govt. systems are working so much better than US systems in many areas now.

steve
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Oct 16, 2015, 2:12 PM)


rvgringo

Oct 17, 2015, 10:04 AM

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Congratulations!


viktoremski


Oct 19, 2015, 10:59 AM

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"renouncing any foreign citizenships" - what do they exactly mean? Giving up US (or any other) citizenship, or just renouncing it while in Mexican territory?


Maesonna

Oct 19, 2015, 3:08 PM

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Renouncing it while in Mexican territory. It means that while in Mexico you can’t claim any privileges, protections or special treatment you’d otherwise be entitled to as a foreigner.


viktoremski


Oct 19, 2015, 3:24 PM

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Thanks. That makes sense.


addtocart

Oct 19, 2015, 3:38 PM

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Renouncing it while in Mexican territory. It means that while in Mexico you can’t claim any privileges, protections or special treatment you’d otherwise be entitled to as a foreigner.

Uh, I've lived here for seven years and haven't noticed any of these things.


rockydog85251

Oct 19, 2015, 5:50 PM

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What about SS benefits? Do you have to declare to the U.S. of the change of citizenship?
Willie


YucaLandia


Oct 19, 2015, 9:13 PM

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"renouncing any foreign citizenships" - what do they exactly mean? Giving up US (or any other) citizenship, or just renouncing it while in Mexican territory?


This issue has been around since at least the mid-1980's.

Mexico requires that its foreigner-applicants for naturalized citizenship both make oral pledges to renounce citizenship with any/all other countries.

They also make the foreigner-applicant for naturalized citizenship to sign forms saying that the applicant renounces citizenship with any/all other countries.

Once a foreigner is given naturalized citizenship - they are liable for all Mexican government laws and regulations, and the SRE people also explain that the IF the new naturalized Mexican citizen gets into legal trouble in Mexico ... that individual (now a Mexican Citizen) ... gets NO help from any countries that they had prior citizenship in.

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Before 1986, this was a huge problem for Americans. In 1986, the US Congress passed a rule (law?) saying that US citizens remain as US citizens, until / unless 2 things happen first:
1. the US citizen files a formal written letter at a US Consulate saying that they renounce their US citizenship.
and
2. the US citizen is STILL a US citizen (even after filing the formal written renunciation), until the IRS decides that the citizen has paid all future taxes that are owed ... So, the IRS must get their final bite of your apple before allowing us to legally stop being US citizens.

The US State Department was grumpy about this until about 1993, but then relented, and since then, formal US policy has been that Americans can go through ceremonies in Mexico where the US citizens sign renunciation forms for the Mex. Gob. and that the US citizens can make oral renunciations of their US citizenship in front of Mexican officials ...

And under both Mexican and US law ... when a person carries both passports ... That individual is bound-by all US laws as a US citizen while in the USA ... with none of the privileges of carrying a foreign passport ... and The same goes for Mexico that the individual is bound by all Mexican laws - with none of the privileges of being a US citizen - while in Mexico.

Make sense?
steve
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Oct 19, 2015, 9:15 PM)


viktoremski


Oct 20, 2015, 8:41 AM

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It does make sense. Just the way it appeared to me when you listed it among other requirements, it almost made my heart stop. I'm ok now ;-)


viktoremski


Dec 21, 2015, 12:25 PM

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Last week I applied for my mexican citizenship based on a five year residency (3 years as RT, two as RP). As I had promissed, I am sharing my experiences here:
On Monday I went to Mexico City to obtain the "no antecedentes penales a nivel federal". I got there shortly before 8 am, and there were already about hundred people in line, waiting for the office to open (8:30 am). I had with me my over-a-year old birth cirtificate, translated officialy into spanish, and apostiled (in Poland). I also had my US passport, Permanente Residente card, and utility bills. All they wanted were copies of the above documens. They never bothered to see the originals, one copy of each document, that's all they needed. It took less than an hour for the "no antecedentes" to be ready. When I was leaving the office, there were several hundred more people waiting in line to get inside.
On Tuesday, I obtained the "no antecedentes a nivel estatal" in Tijuana, Baja California. That was also easy, I was only asked to show my Permanente Residente, no copies needed. They took a picture, and, I think, a finger print.
On Wednesday I went to SRE in Tijuana. I had my application, and all possibly required documents ready, with two copies of each. That included my name change US court decision from over two years ago (which I did to have my name exactly as it is on my birth ciritificate), apositiled in Sacramento, and officialy translated in Tijuana (of course my RP card was also updated at that time to reflect the correct name). On the application, I left the "actividades academicas o laborales" blank, and I verbally explained that I live from resources from US. I was asked to write "Vivo en Tijuana" in that space. I also had my pictures with me. The only thing I did not have was the "salidas/entradas" record from INM, as I expected that SRE would send me there. The SRE official handling my case was very professional and polite. He told me that my application was the last one he took care of before Christmas. He wanted to expedite all of the applications the same day, so he approved my required residency based on my stampless passport, saving me the trip to INM. He sent me to a bank across the street to make the necessary payment. He asked me if I studied history, which I confirmed. He gave me a page with five questions (from the hundred question master available online). I answered all of them correctly. He told me that my application is practically approved (he communicated with offices in Mexico City while processing it), and that I most likely will have my naturalization certificate issued by the end of March. I was given a web page address with user ID and a password. For now it only shows that my application is DF bound.
I hope he's right, and that there will be no complications...


johanson


Dec 21, 2015, 7:07 PM

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Gosh that went well. It also sounded like you were very well prepared.
I wish you the best and hope that everything goes as planned.
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