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simpsca

Nov 24, 2012, 8:11 AM

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Yesterday I bought about 250 pesos worth of goods at Walmart. I gave the cashier a 500 peso note - the receipt said change is 250 pesos. I showed her the receipt and money in my hand (she gave me 50 pesos) and said another 200 pesos please. She took the next customer and the line was getting crowded because I didn't move. When she opened the drawer for the next customer she gave me the 200 pesos she had shorted. Didn't bat an eyelash or say sorry.

So count your change at Walmart!


(This post was edited by simpsca on Nov 24, 2012, 8:20 AM)



Yacatecuhtli


Nov 24, 2012, 10:19 AM

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You should count your change EVERYWHERE, EVERY TIME it only makes sense !


! Al pan, pan y al vino, vino !


bronco

Nov 24, 2012, 10:32 AM

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 small groceria: one small bottle of water is 5 pesos. i gave 50 pesos, & got only 5 pesos back. he owed me 45 pesos, he was 40 short. i did insist & it was returned. in general i carry small change or a 20 peso note bills. also be careful of taxis.


esperanza

Nov 24, 2012, 11:58 AM

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Bronco, there is no such thing as a 'groceria'. If you're talking about a mom-n-pop small store that carries food items and a world of other things, it would be an abarrotes.

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La Isla


Nov 24, 2012, 1:58 PM

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Bronco, there is no such thing as a 'groceria'. If you're talking about a mom-n-pop small store that carries food items and a world of other things, it would be an abarrotes.


And be careful when using the word "grosería" because it can mean "rudeness", a "vulgar remark" or a "swear word" :) !


johanson


Nov 24, 2012, 2:48 PM

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Yes, that is a swear word. And boy have I made a lot of mistakes learning Spanish. My teacher was a relative then 15. Now he and his wife are "Fresas" and won't let me use the words he taught me. I had no idea the words I was learning were only used "on the street", but not socially with grown up educated friends.


La Isla


Nov 24, 2012, 2:53 PM

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Yes, that is a swear word. And boy have I made a lot of mistakes learning Spanish. My teacher was a relative then 15. Now he and his wife are "Fresas" and won't let me use the words he taught me. I had no idea the words I was learning were only used "on the street", but not socially with grown up educated friends.


That's the problem with learning Spanish "on the street" or from a 15-year-old with no sense of what words are and aren't appropriate to use in different situations. I know the Spanish I speak and write is a bit on the formal side, but that may be better than using all sorts of slang that could give certain Mexicans a bad impression of me. I hope you didn't get into any weird situations before you deleted the "groserías" from your active vocabulary :)!


joaquinx


Nov 24, 2012, 3:16 PM

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small groceria: one small bottle of water is 5 pesos. i gave 50 pesos, & got only 5 pesos back. he owed me 45 pesos, he was 40 short. i did insist & it was returned. in general i carry small change or a 20 peso note bills. also be careful of taxis.


I'm not to sure about the usage here. If I was making this purchase and was given that amount of change back, it would be a big grosería
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johanson


Nov 24, 2012, 3:23 PM

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I had the occasional minor problem, but I'm a fast learner when it comes to "stop using" bad words. What I think is funny, is that because I know these bad words as well, many of the educated believe I speak even better Spanish than I do. I have much to learn, but I can make myself understood.

Speaking the language makes living in Mexico so much better. Please folks, if you want to like/love Mexico even more, learn the language. :)

Oh, and now that Thanksgiving us over in both the Canada and the US, let me be the first to wish you all a very early Merry Christmas. :)


robt65

Nov 24, 2012, 5:03 PM

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I agree with both you and "simpsca".

Most times I believe it is because these stores (and for sure Wal Mart, Sam’s Club, Cosco and many larger stores here, are especially sloppy about giving correct change) and not only here, but NOB as well. For the most part, I think it is because they hire folks that just do not have any idea of plain arithmetic. However, there are absolutely some times, I believe these cashiers are absolutely giving themselves an "on the spot raise"! (smiling)

What really gets me even angrier, is having to wait in line, while the cashier has to call for someone to bring change for a 100 or 200 Peso note! This is a very poor business model, but since most cashiers in Mexican Stores and shops seem to also be petty thieves, it may be more understandable. Maybe if the property owners paid a decent wage to the cashiers, they wouldn’t be (as they see it) forced to steal from the company!

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Robert



johanson


Nov 24, 2012, 5:38 PM

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Of the stores mentioned above, I have had the best experiences at Costco. But that's just me. I love Costco and go there, be I up north or here in Mexico, at least once per month; sometimes twice per month.


sioux4noff

Nov 24, 2012, 10:14 PM

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From what I've been told by people who work there, Mega, Walmart, Sams and Costco all pay what these employees considered a decent wage, they have benefits and do get paid correctly and on time. Which is more than can be said about some smaller places.
That being said, I do try to remember to count my change everywhere.
Several times recently, I've purchased a Coke Zero at Oxxo, 8.5 pesos. The clerk has said, 8 cinquenta, and then gives me one peso change. I've had to ask for my additional 50 centavos. If they ask, I do agree to round it up for charity, but they often do not ask. One time the employee gave me a pretty blank look, and I explained to them, the Coke costs 8.5 pesos, I gave you 10. My correct change is 1.5 pesos. They gave me a look like, whatever, and did give me my change.
I'm not sure if the clerks figure they can short change a tourist and get by with it. Or if they are building in a buffer against coming up short at the end of their shifts, or what.


bronco

Nov 24, 2012, 10:25 PM

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groceria (groseria) is the word they have always used for the grocery store. ask them, not me what it means. never got me in trouble, so i assumed its right. incorrect change in a store only happened that one time. as for street spanish, whats the difference how i sound? im ON the streets. who do i need to impress? people who give wrong change??


Musicman

Nov 25, 2012, 6:06 AM

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Robt65......"Most cashiers in Mexican stores and shops are petty thieves". I resent that comment. Some may be but to say most are is ignorant.
Count your change in Mexico, the US, Canada....everywhere. But most people are not petty thieves. Do you feel the same about your gardner and maid? Or maybe Mexicans in general? Why do you stay?


eyePad

Nov 25, 2012, 7:28 AM

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hi bronco, 'groceria' or 'grocería' for 'tiendita' is definitely not a Spanish word. It sounds like an anglicism to me, maybe influence from up north. Mexicans often don't
really care about their language*, but they should, it's a beautiful language.

* Not only Spanish, but the other 50 odd languages making Mexico one of the most linguistically rich areas on earth (and they REALLY don't get any respect 'nadie se preocupe por nosotos')


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cbviajero

Nov 25, 2012, 7:46 AM

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Robert,I have two nieces who work part time as cashiers in a store in Guadalajara and they're not thieves.


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robt65

Nov 25, 2012, 8:11 AM

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musicman,

I think I have stated my response quite well. I do not have a maid or a Gardner, thank you, we do those things ourselves. I used to have a Gardner, yes and I caught him red handed with a few of my tools in his truck. I fired him on the spot, and told him he should never be around my home again.

A close friend had a maid for well over five years, and treated her very well indeed. One day he found out that she had stolen a lot of money and precious metals from him . . . . also caught red handed! Even went to prison for it. My neighbors’ home was broken into and personal items stolen, another neighbors home was robbed of building materials, that the hard working Mexican owner was building for his family, I read daily about robbers and troublemakers in the local papers, as do many people here, who are not sleeping.

Another time I caught the men I had given construction work to (and paid them well above the “going wage”), with "excess product", they estimated and stole from me in their truck and were about to leave for the day.

By the way we (my family and I) always but always provided lunch for them and on Fridays provided a special evening meal. We gave them presents at Christmas for their children.

I also believe I made myself very clear, I was speaking to the occupation of cashiers, unless you missed it, but since you were the one to bring it up, the above first hand stories, should maybe open your naive eyes a little.

Most people here (Mexicans) as I believe I also stated clearly, I believe are well underpaid by their own, and I think I also said . . . . . . . if they were paid a decent living wage, maybe the thievery would cease. So please do not take liberties with putting words in my mouth and I will exercise the same respect to you.

By the way, I dislike Mexicans so much , I married one, I have adopted a Mexican daughter, I have a beautiful “MexiGringa” daughter and I take care of not only my wife and children but also a mother-in-law and father-in-law, both with terminal medical conditions, I have provided medical equipment from NOB to several families with disabled children, (by the way, their parents don’t steal) I have provided prosthetic equipment and services for several hardworking men, women and children, at no cost to them, All 100% Mexican Nationals and very nice, hard working and ethical people. So please Mr. Musicman, do not preach to me, when you know absolutely nothing about me. Maybe you should check your own house first.

Regards,
Robt65


robt65

Nov 25, 2012, 8:15 AM

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Gee, chviajera,

I have read and re read my posting and I don’t believe anywhere in my posting I mentioned your two nieces working as cashiers in Guadalajara. Maybe you should re-read?

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Robt65



Musicman

Nov 25, 2012, 8:25 AM

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Robt65.....So, if one of your Mexican family members ever work as a cashier, heaven forbid, and everyone assumes he/she is a thief you won't be offended?
Do you read what you write? As for "checking my house first", I don't need to. I live in an igloo.


robt65

Nov 25, 2012, 8:39 AM

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not worth responding to.

Regards,
Robt65


cbviajero

Nov 25, 2012, 9:12 AM

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Gee, chviajera,

I have read and re read my posting and I don’t believe anywhere in my posting I mentioned your two nieces working as cashiers in Guadalajara. Maybe you should re-read?

Regards,
Robt65

No,you need to reread your own post, where you stated that most Mexican cashiers are petty thieves,what an ignorant and offensive statement.


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Rolly


Nov 25, 2012, 10:21 AM

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Robert, I'm afraid you really stepped in it this time.
I also find that remark offensive.

Rolly Pirate


bronco

Nov 25, 2012, 10:41 AM

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robert, there is no reason for you to qualify your comments. we were talking about cashiers (not maids, garderners breakins). some workers steal, some dont. as for a crime discussion, that should be another topic. i had some taxi driver experiences, from minor to dangerous. but since we were talking about cashiers, i refrained from reporting my experiences.


cbviajero

Nov 25, 2012, 10:55 AM

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groceria (groseria) is the word they have always used for the grocery store. ask them, not me what it means.

You're kidding right?


robt65

Nov 25, 2012, 11:35 AM

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Rolly,

I have re-read my post a second time and I do see where in the second paragraph, I used the word "most", when I should have used the word "many" which was my intent in the first place. For this sentence only, I apologize.

Regards,
Robt65



cbviajero

Nov 25, 2012, 11:36 AM

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Bronco, there is no such thing as a 'groceria'. If you're talking about a mom-n-pop small store that carries food items and a world of other things, it would be an abarrotes.

Or more commonly known as la tienda.


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bronco

Nov 25, 2012, 1:21 PM

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thank you simpsca (as always) for your good reporting on crime& theft. sorry this turned into a "language lesson". (which was used for distraction). keep us posted.


eyePad

Nov 25, 2012, 1:43 PM

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I'm with you Robert. I can see your intent, which was to say that larceny is rampant in Mexico. I agree!


robt65

Nov 25, 2012, 4:11 PM

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Hello eyepad,

My intent was not to accuse "most" persons of being simply dishonest, but in fact many are, and some not entirely by their own volition. It was mostly my intent to say, that due especially because of two reasons, making a simple change of monies is difficult (or for that matter impossible) for many persons who have had very poor education from the public school systems. Public schools are not "free" by any means and for the most part (yes “most”) produce a lack of even a mediocre education, in all subjects, let alone math and / or ethics.


Teaching for the “most” part (this “most” is intentional) and I do have extended family who are teachers. Two of these family members definitely do belong as teachers and are really excellent educators. The other four should be arrested for impersonating a teacher, (tongue in cheek, for those of you who are easily offended).

In my personal experience with two school age Mexican daughters in Pre and primary public schools) are simply in those jobs as a direct result of either buying their way in, or by being hired as a “warm body” for a teachers position, by what we call NOB, the “good ole boy” process. Either they were members of family who were teaching and were hired as a “favor”, or they paid a substantial amount of pesos to some “higher up” with pull, to become teachers.

In my estimation, the federal and state departments of education, and right on down to the city and pueblo, state and federal “directors of education” are nothing more than a “legal cartel”. Hence the children do not receive an adequate education.
I think many of you who do not have children in school, would be surprised at the actual costs of sending a child to a “public” primary school let alone a “public” secondary school. It actually ranges between 1200 pesos and about $2500 pesos per student per year.

These are nothing more than indirect payments (some larger payments are more direct) to the “Directors and or teachers”. I personally know about five or six parents who had to pay 1000 pesos more for each of their children to be able to attend the morning sessions. These children were already in the morning sessions and they were going to be moved to the afternoon sessions. Attending the morning sessions, the parents would then be able to continue their jobs. If the children were moved to the afternoon sessions (2:30PM until 6:30PM), there would be no one at home to watch the children, and they would have to quit their jobs to be at home to care for and be with their children.

There are fees for certain specific (color and size and different materials) supplies that must be bought (others simply won’t do, there is a wonderful kick back system (by guess who) to the schools by the various papeleria’s who want the schools paper business. The costs of school uniforms are mandatory but the number of different changes that must be available per student are “required” locally. There is another little gem called “ayuda al interentendente del aseo general de la escuela” (pardon my spelling on that) whereby two days of the year are dedicated to serious cleaning and painting as well as construction of various elements such as walkways, walls etc., that must be attended by the male parent. If not, no excuses, it will cost that parent $1000 pesos as a “fine”, again per child. Wonder where that money goes?!

This all adds up to extortion and or thievery. God help the few honest educators that try to buck the system or the parent who asks too many questions. No wonder there is a serious lack of a decent education in Mexico’s public school system. This is all the fault of everyone up the line from school directors, to municipal school districts and mayors and all the way up the “food chain” to the President of the country. Wonder why the kids can’t count change or spell? This is the one big reason. That my friends is called dishonesty, extortion, thievery, ransom and or any other tag or spin one might like to put on it.

The second reason is because the big companies, the likes (and yes, be clear, I do shop in some of them, as do many of us) of Costco, Sam’s, Wal Mart, Chedraui (sp), Commercial Mexicana, Liverpool, etc., right on down to the smaller (some successful) businesses, who do not pay their (usually, hard working staff) a decent enough wage to provide the essentials of living for their families. It puts them in a hard spot of “having to give themselves a raise” in order to just survive. Do I blame the thieving worker, not entirely, no, absolutely not? I blame mostly the “thieving owners”!!!!

I believe these are the two main reasons a great many persons working in all kinds of stores can’t or won’t make correct change.
Now some or many of you may not agree with me, and I can live with that. That is certainly your prerogative. But that is my perception of the problem. So yes eyepad, “larceny is rampant in Mexico” in many sectors, from simply getting correct change, to getting your mail delivered, to importing cars and other goods, to getting the police tickets paid, having a water meter installed before a year waiting time for a new home, to getting the CFE out to install a meter, and so on and so on. Do I believe that the Mexican population as a whole are dishonest or at least want to be dishonest . . . . . no absolutely not.

Since this appears to be a perpetual problem with no real end in sight, I would think we all would want to make sure we count our change, no matter the reason it was incorrect, because I really do not expect any changes in the near future.

Now I hope I have made myself quite clear on this subject.

Regards,
Robt65



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bronco

Nov 25, 2012, 7:01 PM

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that was a good comment. the majority of expats do not understand the third world. i have been around this over 35yrs, i am from a city where 800 languages are spoken, lived in the middle east, did business w/the chinese, etc. its possible that the cashier cannot count correctly, or they really need the $$, as wages are low. (maybe if the corporations also gave commissions, employee discounts, there would be good service, employee incentive). my issue is not so much w/poverty (as thats understandable), but middle/upper middle 3rd world people. (both here & the US). it is shocking but not surprising, that people who own several buildings, good cars, vacations,........well its like the missing change. it is cultural, (not everyone is dishonest, there are exceptions). this trickery is not done only to white folks (though we are a focus), but they do this also w/each other. it is difficult for western people to grasp this mind set. most are in denial & somehow it has become socially unacceptable to address these issues. thankyou robert for @ least explaining some of this to the forum members.

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DavidHF

Nov 26, 2012, 10:40 AM

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Robt65, I believe you are wrong in your assertion that the big stores don't pay a living wage. Can you back up your assertion?


cbviajero

Nov 26, 2012, 11:56 AM

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the majority of expats do not understand the third world. i have been around this over 35yrs, i am from a city where 800 languages are spoken, lived in the middle east, did business w/the chinese, etc. (not everyone is dishonest, there are exceptions). this trickery is not done only to white folks (though we are a focus), but they do this also w/each other. it is difficult for western people to grasp this mind set. most are in denial & somehow it has become socially unacceptable to address these issues. thankyou robert for @ least explaining some of this to the forum members.

Gracias bronco,your posts are always good for a chuckle.


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esperanza

Nov 26, 2012, 12:55 PM

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The minimum wage for store employees of this kind in Area B, encompassing Guadalajara and most of the rest of the central part of Mexico, ranges from just below to just above 80 pesos per day. That's about 20 pesos higher than the 2012 minimum wage in Area B. Most businesses pay more than the minimum wage for this kind of work.

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bronco

Nov 26, 2012, 2:17 PM

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i cant imagine walmart paying a living wage. they dont in the USA, why would they it here? thats why the mexicans would prefer to work on their own.


DavidHF

Nov 26, 2012, 3:21 PM

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Is that why THOUSANDS line up when the employment office opens at each new Walmart in Mexico? FWIW, Costco is one of the "100 Best Companies to Work For," because they pay well.


cbviajero

Nov 26, 2012, 3:46 PM

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Walmart is Mexico's largest private sector employer..


bronco

Nov 26, 2012, 4:05 PM

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david, one thing we all know, is that walmart in the U.S. is corrupt. they pay low, they make workers do overtime w/no pay, they locked them in over night. (NYT's artical). there are many lawsuits. perhaps mexico is different. my maid has been getting 40pesos an hr from me for 4 years. she may get 50 pesos w/her newer clients. she works less hours than walmart people but earns more $, plus lunch. i dont know the going wage for walmex.


DavidHF

Nov 26, 2012, 4:09 PM

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I agree that Walmart USA is a scumbag employer. I think Walmex is not. I know Costco is not. I askedRobt65 for sources for the claims that Costco and Liverpool, among others, do not pay a living wage in Mexico. An earlier post said that all the big stores pay a living wage.


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bronco

Nov 26, 2012, 4:44 PM

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we will see when the votes come in. sorry to repeat, but if commissions were given it would also change the outcome. employees like to feel they have some control. they can develope their own clients, call them when a product comes in. they can even put the items in a cart so they will be ready when the customer arrives. a 2% commission can be an incentive, added to the wage. they also should get @least 15 to 20% discount. why should it be different than "saks" fifth ave? or "jcrew" ? its just a much lower end enivirement & price point. this is good training in general. walmex will do better, so will the employees. personally i dont think places like walmart/mex should even exist, but thats me. now, there will always be those who steal, but most may not have too.

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robt65

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Please if you are going to try and quote, do not misquote! I said a "decent enough wage" . hard to read correctly Mr HF?
By the way HF, care to provide your sources?
Robt65


esperanza

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This is a really old thread, Robt65. The last post prior to yours was in November 2012. Maybe we could all move on.

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robt65

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I fully realize this posting was a year ago. A thread was addressed to something I supposedly said, which I did not. If someone is going to respond to something I said, I believe I have the right to correct any misquotes. Many folks read older posts, myself included. I have said my peace and now that I have corrected a misquote, I will move on. It's a shame folks don't know how read correctly or misinterpret for their benefit.

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Robt65


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Mar 10, 2013, 8:18 PM

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Piece bro.
 
 
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