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YucaLandia


Nov 17, 2012, 7:05 AM

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The first hand report came in writing to us, from an old-hand expat getting their new INM permit today, and yes, the INM official specifically called out Canadians and Americans as the cheaters.

Let's see: a ''first hand report'' told to the poster by someone who was told something by an INM official. Sounds like third hand to me.
Really, something told to someone in one office might or might not have anything to do with the rationale for a major change in immigrations rules.


I did not say that I was making a first hand report.

Are "Second-hand" reports inherently inaccurate?
Clearly, when a reporter interviews a witness, the reporter then produces a 2'nd person report. Are all newspaper reports suspect, even when the witness has a history of accurately and thoroughly describing what they were told? Is the court reporting of witness accounts also generally suspect? Sure, we prefer first hand reports from reliable witnesses, but second and third hand reports can also be valuable - and necessary.

Consider: When a teacher teaches about something that they have not personally done or personally investigated, things they read in a book or were taught in University, do we automatically doubt that teacher? If so, then ALL history must be doubted. History teachers and history books are then somehow wholly unreliable, because history text authors certainly did not see or experience anything from before their lives. Almost all high school Physics and Biology should also not be trusted, because teachers have not done even the classic experiments, let alone work that requires expensive equipment like electron microscopes.

Under the critic's proposed standards, we shouldn't believe the formulae about gravity or electricity, because most have not precisely measured the falling rates of dropped objects nor the charge of an electron.

Advice from friends and family about places with reputations for really good food should not be trusted, unless they tasted every item?

What about all the things we learned from Mom and Dad?
Yet more rubbish?

Instead, I think most of us rely on the reporting of others for much of what we know.
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Axixic


Nov 17, 2012, 7:36 AM

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Raising the income requirements on all of us is their way of punishing the ones who violate Mexican law by not paying their taxes?

Most people with FM3s are not property owners except for maybe some Canadians who are here for 6 months.

First one must have permission to earn income from INM to be able to rent property. Second, he must get permission from Hacienda to rent and that is time consuming and difficult. Most Mexican landlords don't pay the taxes on rental income.

Hacienda can crack down on cheaters anytime it wants. It can peruse the rental ads and call or visit those landlords, visit real estate companies that rent properties and ask to see their papers proving they have permission to rent the property and if the taxes are paid.

The local unions and IMSS file against employers who do not pay taxes for their employees. That is up to the employee and as I understand it, fairly easy to collect.

I think raising the income requirements is typical bureaucratic stupidity. They are clueless about how much it takes to live in Mexico (our standards), they are clueless about how much most Northerners actually have or receive, and they don't understand how this will injure Mexico.

If they have an attitude about foreigners, then they shouldn't be in their positions.

Almost all of us are good for Mexico. We donate our time and money to help the less fortunate, keep thousands employed, and we pay our help much more than their fellow Mexicans pay. Because I am disabled, I try not to hire anyone to help me because I need the exercise and it is too easy to get lazy, but when I do hire, I pay 2-3 times more per hour than what Mexican employers pay for the same work.

People in the Lake Chapala area get chastised all the time for overpaying but our consciences would bother us to pay what the locals pay. We also help their kids with uniforms, books and medical care. We are known to be easy touches.

If the bureaucrats are angry and think foreigners are getting away without paying taxes, then they should enforce their tax laws and not punish those who have not violated the law.

This type of reasoning, to punish those who are not guilty, causes a lack of respect for Mexicans and makes people that they are too lazy or too stupid to punish the right people.

Lumping everyone into one category is discrimination.


bronco

Nov 17, 2012, 7:48 AM

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how is raising the minimum income from $1200 to $1900 going to bring in tax payments for gringo rentals? people rent their homes no matter how much income they have, or how much their home is worth. how is that extra $700 going to stop someone from baking bread & selling it? people who sell services will contine to sell. most mexicans work under the table anyway, the govt knows this. many mexicans who hire workers do NOT pay into the imss. or retirement. i know doctors (who own assisted living facilities), store owners, large households, the help does not get those benefits. still makes no sence. AXIXIC: i wrote this before i saw your response.

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bronco

Nov 17, 2012, 8:27 AM

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immigration workers do not know why the law was passed, they are guessing. the attornies do not know why it was passed either, they are guessing it is a political fight between the old president & the new one. AXIXIC: as for expats doing charity work, i dont think the goverment cares. its great to pay your workers well & help out. other than that, n. americans do not understand the culture, most of the time they do more harm than good. they make fools of themselves, & generally are disrepected. there should be another thread about this issue. (it has little to do w/immigrayion laws).


YucaLandia


Nov 17, 2012, 8:40 AM

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Raising the income requirements on all of us is their way of punishing the ones who violate Mexican law by not paying their taxes?

Most people with FM3s are not property owners except for maybe some Canadians who are here for 6 months.

First one must have permission to earn income from INM to be able to rent property. Second, he must get permission from Hacienda to rent and that is time consuming and difficult. Most Mexican landlords don't pay the taxes on rental income.

Hacienda can crack down on cheaters anytime it wants. It can peruse the rental ads and call or visit those landlords, visit real estate companies that rent properties and ask to see their papers proving they have permission to rent the property and if the taxes are paid.

The local unions and IMSS file against employers who do not pay taxes for their employees. That is up to the employee and as I understand it, fairly easy to collect.

I think raising the income requirements is typical bureaucratic stupidity. They are clueless about how much it takes to live in Mexico (our standards), they are clueless about how much most Northerners actually have or receive, and they don't understand how this will injure Mexico.

If they have an attitude about foreigners, then they shouldn't be in their positions.

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If the bureaucrats are angry and think foreigners are getting away without paying taxes, then they should enforce their tax laws and not punish those who have not violated the law.

This type of reasoning, to punish those who are not guilty, causes a lack of respect for Mexicans and makes people that they are too lazy or too stupid to punish the right people.

Lumping everyone into one category is discrimination.


First one must have permission to earn income from INM to be able to rent property.
Second, he must get permission from Hacienda to rent

These claims simply are not true. Many many people can and do rent their properties without any Mex. Gob. approvals.

Hacienda can crack down on cheaters anytime it wants.
This is very true, but it does not fit common reality. In 7 years of reading expat forum posts, and first hand accounts from 100's of gringos, Hacienda has simply not enforced this rule. When the rubber-meets-the-road, do we go with reality, or do we lean on theory and hypotheticals of "what might happen"?


That is up to the employee and as I understand it...
This is like blaming victims of a tragedy. The responsibility for paying taxes owed falls directly on the employer.
Do we expect US and Canadian employers to cheat their employees willy-nilly and scoff at labor laws? or do we expect the employers to do their best to follow the law, and that Government should enforce the laws?

Is it really all "up to the employee" ?
It's really not an honest argument to automatically try to shift the ownership of the problem to the workers.


They are clueless about how much it takes to live in Mexico (our standards), and later:
they are too lazy or too stupid to punish the right people.
So, Government Officials are "clueless" about costs of living in Mexico? Just what else are they "clueless" about?

Consider proclamations that Government Officials are too lazy ... too stupid ... Statements like this certainly earn great respect from Mexicans and Govt. officials, who read these forums to find out what Canadians & Americans really think. It's troubling that Mexconnect posters would boldly make such claims.

Then consider: Just how are "our standards " so different?
These declarations all sound pretty harsh and judgmental - and feed some pretty ugly stereotypes.

Saying that Mexicans have and live by lower standards that Americans and Canadians seems offensive to any Mexican readers who might have a computer and internet access.
"Oh wait, "they" do have computers, and "some of them" live in decent homes, and have some decent food."

The Ugly American really does exist, especially by keeping repulsive attitudes and ideas like these alive.

This is another example where a few people think it is fine to pee in the community pool, were the rest of us may pay a price for such personal expressions and actions by the few.

Really, not all Mexicans are campesinos or peons. Most live very nice lives, ... without our pity or charity.


If they have an attitude about foreigners, then they shouldn't be in their positions.
Do Mexconnect readers know that the Mexican Constitution strictly prohibits the interference of foreigners into Mexican Government affairs? Also realize that past foreigners who have made a series of these kinds of statements in public have found themselves deported?

Who are we to say who should be hired by the Mexican Government?
Since hiring of Gob. workers is a part of Mexico's political process, then these sorts of interferences are expressly forbidden by Mexican law and the Mexican Constitution.


If the bureaucrats are angry and think foreigners are getting away without paying taxes, ...
Did anyone actually write that " bureaucrats are angry " ?
Not all Latininos fit some hot-blooded and emotional stereotype. Mexican Government officials are fully capable of calmly analyzing situations. They can and do rationally form conclusions. And they then do implement the resulting rules and laws without getting emotional or angry about things. Not everything is driven by emotions and reactive behaviors.


If the bureaucrats ... think foreigners are getting away without paying taxes, then they should enforce their tax laws and not punish those who have not violated the law.
This idea is spot on ! Excellent proposal !
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bronco

Nov 17, 2012, 8:43 AM

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cheenagringo was basically a glorified office worker. he spent his life looking @ sales receipts & spread sheets. if i need a good typist, proof reader, secretary i will hire him. he is not a thinker, he is a follower, a middleman. i find him pedantic & dull, w/an infantile sense of humor. this topic is about immigration rules, which have little to do w/him, i add busy body to the above opinion.


bronco

Nov 17, 2012, 9:07 AM

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looking @ all the information i dont think the new laws were thought through. i recall, around 10 ys ago in SMA, the govt was trying to shut down informal b&bs, &guest houses for tax reasons. (the were not all registered). meanwhile we are all guessing, bottom line is that they did a big bait & switch. raising the monthly income will not bring back 2cents for the govt. they are losing $3000 pesos for each expat who does not renew their fm3. do the math. the lady baking bread will not compensate for that loss, she will still sell the bread even if her home is worth more than $195,000. oviously the govt does not care about the maids, the small business owners. looks like they care only for themselves, & disregard mexicans &expats.


mcm

Nov 17, 2012, 9:08 AM

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Yucalandia (and anyone else interested in this discussion).
My comment about the ''first hand'' report was to point out that the statements of one official or staff member at one INM office is probably not going to reflect the rationale behind the change in regulations (but, thanks for the lecture on information networks, Yucalandia. Hope it didn't take you too much time!).
The sometimes inaccurate nature of statements by officials to clients is not unique to Mexico, but in my years of living here, I have found that while people in government offices and elsewhere are happy to explain their understanding of the rationale for policies, these explanations may not be correct.
I do follow Mexican politics and government in the national and local papers, and it is my understanding that most laws and subsequent supporting regulations are, to say the least, result of long arduous negotiations -- it's pretty unlikely that they are designed to ''get'' a certain group (which may or may not exist -- lots of anecdotal evidence, which is, by its nature, suspect).

So far, I haven't seen any stories in forums, blogs, etc. about expats with no-inmigrante or inmigrante cards being ''kicked out'' of Mexico, or forced to change to a visitor status. Instead, it seems as though officials are being accommodating. Of course it is early days yet (since the regulation went into effect a week ago), but as of now, it doesn't seem as though there is a reason for panic.


La Isla


Nov 17, 2012, 9:15 AM

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Yucalandia, while not condoning the behavior of the expat "tax cheats" you describe in your post, let's not forget that many Mexicans are guilty of the same faults.


Axixic


Nov 17, 2012, 9:55 AM

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I'm sure your answers make more than just my head spin.

The law is if one earns income (rent money) in Mexico he must have permission from INM.

I don't know why you think that is confusing.

If the person who has permission to earn income in Mexico wants to rent property, he must first get permission from Hacienda and then pay Hacienda. Someone in SMA tried to get permission some time ago and gave up because it was so time consuming and burdensome.

If Mexico doesn't want most of us, we can move.

Sure employers are required to follow the law but like in the U.S. if employees don't make them follow the laws, they won't. That is why there are enforcement agencies.

If this confuses you, think about traffic laws. If there aren't any police officers watching for traffic violators, how many people do you think would always drive the speed limit?

The rest of it is blather and not worth a response but neither was the above because anyone can figure it out, but I did anyway. Since I don't drink I cannot be fortified enough to bother and you took up all the paper anyway.


bronco

Nov 17, 2012, 10:21 AM

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the law was finalized like on wensday. how can you expect "stories" of expats being kicked out, or what ever. (they havnt gotton to that yet). the law only applies to those who are @ the end of the 5th yr fm3 cycle. those people will either leave, or be illegal here. they may not be able to drive, as it taking chances. no one will apply if they cant meet the requirements. the mex govt hasnt come out directly & addressed the issue of deportation. there have been old folks here for years w/out fm3s, some have expired passports. so far there has not been a raid in assisted living facilities, w/payoffs. then again, this may be a business op.


mazbook1


Nov 17, 2012, 2:36 PM

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"If the person who has permission to earn income in Mexico wants to rent property, he must first get permission from Hacienda and then pay Hacienda. Someone in SMA tried to get permission some time ago and gave up because it was so time consuming and burdensome."

That's the most untruthful thing I have seen on this thread. To EARN money in México, you go to Hacienda and get an R.F.C. There is NO CHARGE for this, and it only takes one visit (by appointment here in Mazatlán) unless you don't come in with the required copies of stuff. Then with your newly minted R.F.C., you go to Migración, show them your new R.F.C. and they will tell you just what is necessary to change status from rentista to actividades lucrativas. You pay the fee for this, then bring all the paperwork they want to the office, and voila! you get your new card showing that you are a taxpaying resident of México. It's so simple that anyone can do it without help! Unless, of course you don't speak ANY Spanish, then you will have to have a translator with you. Still dead simple. I understand that the new Residente Permanente status confers this right automatically, but if all you have is Residente Temporal (or worse, Visitante) you do need to go to Migraciíón to get the permission to work and earn money in México, just like you have to go to Migración and get permission to marry in México. Not a big deal. After all this, you just report your earnings to Hacienda, but even Mexicans usually hire an accountant for this. Their fees are very low, and definitely worth every centavo.

One note to all following this thread, Yuculandia is mistaken about one thing. Mexican Law exempts employers of any responsibility for paying taxes (or registering said employee with IMSS) for DOMESTIC WORKERS, i.e., maids, housekeepers, cooks, nannies, etc. (might even include gardeners, but I've never researched that). HOWEVER, if you don't register them with IMSS, you have NO worker's comp insurance, and you still owe the worker for sick leave (which is paid by IMSS to registered employees, and it can be indefinite in time. But for unregistered employees, the employer MUST pay it, regardless of how long a time it is.), vacation and aguinaldo–Xmas bonus–and even the cost of or time off for primary education if they desire. If you DON'T pay these things, there are plenty of lawyers who specialize in this to take you to either the Labor board or to court. BE WARNED!


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Rolly


Nov 17, 2012, 3:09 PM

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The requirement to seek INM's permission to marry has been dropped.

Rolly Pirate


mazbook1


Nov 17, 2012, 3:33 PM

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Thanks for that information about marrying in México, Rolly. When I got married down here it was the biggest (and most costly) pain of the whole process.


Axixic


Nov 17, 2012, 4:25 PM

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It's hardly the most untruthful thing ever posted on this board.

I am not a landlord so I didn't bother to remember the procedure the person in SMA described a few years ago. If I had know I needed to be exact I would have saved it instead of trying to remember it.

Except for getting the steps wrong, the process is still the same, right?

Permission from Hacienda to rent property, pay Hacienda the taxes on the rent when due, get work permission on FM3/2 or whatever?

The person who described it said it was time consuming and too much effort. He wrote that Hacienda examines the property and he had to submit too much to make it worth the trouble, but he did say he did not rent illegally. He decided not to rent the property.


richmx2


Nov 18, 2012, 3:50 PM

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I've read through the entire thread. My income depends largely on foreign retirees, so this important to me. A couple of thoughts.

1. Why ASSUME the new immigration regulations were written for your benefit, and not for the long range ones of the Mexicans? Nations generally do not want aging immigrants who absent sufficient resources, are going to depend on state resources to meet their needs. Mexico's own population is aging, and the demand for social services to the aging is increasing, as are the costs. While the income requirements for the type of visa most are discussing here is higher, Mexico is still one of the few places that issues these types of visas.

2. I take some exception to Yucalandia's description of "a few cheaters". I'd have said "rampant cheating". Those who say there is very little cheating are in denial. Everything from arranging one's bank accounts to appear as if there is sufficient income (people met the LETTER OF THE LAW when it came income requirements for non-working visas under the old regulations...but following the instructions on any number of websites, "how to retire to Mexico" books and retirement advice columnists, they arrange their deposits to make it appear as if they have sufficient income). They hardly were following the SPIRIT OF THE LAW, meant to create an industry serving "active seniors", not one allowing foreigners to aspire to a lifestyle they never had at home (servants and dining out daily), which creates "jobs" but doesn't do much for a sustainable economy and future development.

3. Are you sure those of us who are here as permanent tourists are as welcome as we think? I lived for a while in a part of the U.S., which like parts of Mexico, was receiving an influx of well-heeled outsiders (mostly retirees). "Restoring" older homes and engaging in cultural activities may be fine and dandy, but talk to people who've had to leave their family homes or who can't afford to enjoy their own traditional lifestyle, or find neighbors telling one how to conduct one's life, and worse, find access to the natural areas and ecological wonders of their region cut off by "developers" catering to outsiders who have little or no interest in the local culture, other than as colorful exoticism. Those resentful people can vote here... you can't.

4. The new migration regulations were not written solely for rich-nation "permanent vacationers" but for migrants in general. The regulations are fairly standard ... giving points for those likely to contribute economically and socially, and allowing for those temporary migrants who are passing through (something Mexico has to deal with, that other countries don't) in a more humane and sensible manner.

5. Will this law affect my bottom line? Probably, but whether for good or ill I can't say. I didn't move here to get rich, or maintain some lifestyle, or aspire to some other lifestyle, but to live. Change was gonna happen no matter what, so I'll just have to deal with it.


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La Isla


Nov 18, 2012, 4:45 PM

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I just read richmx2's above post and don't recognize myself from the description he posted of "the permanent tourist", maybe because I still work and don't have a plethora of servants who keep me ensconced in a lifestyle I never enjoyed while living in the States. I like to think I do make contributions to Mexico with the English teaching and other work I do here for reasonable fees and on which I pay taxes. I hope that the spirit of the new laws will allow me to continue to make Mexico my home and not force me into exile back in the States.


bronco

Nov 18, 2012, 5:40 PM

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the expats who pay into i.m.s.s. usually dont use it much. they may keep it for an accident. most folks continue treatment w/a private dr. as the service is not great. in my area expats were denied the services last year even if they did pay in. most expats dont use the public hospital, thats rare. mexico can withdraw those 2 services if they want. they offered them, but if its not practical they can withdraw them. ok? simple. as for developments, many homes are purchased by mexicans. some gated communties are 50/50. others may have more retirees. they will continue to develope none stop regardless. (as for taxes, yes they should enforce that w/rentals). you are off on all of these matters. there is a bigger reason for this switch& bait, i will hold it for later. the writing was on the walls years ago.

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Axixic


Nov 18, 2012, 6:24 PM

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The U.S. has hundreds, maybe thousands, of areas where developers have moved the locals out, not just for retirement communities. It happens everywhere so do you think all development should stop?

We think the new rules were written for our detriment, not our benefit. The new rules don't make the financial demands on migrants coming over the Southern border. The financial demands are made on legal U.S. and Canadians citizens.

A few people have fudged their incomes under the old rules, but so what? They were never an imposition on Mexico, proving it doesn't take that much to live here. If people caused Mexico a problem like needing social services and costing Mexico money, then I can see why Mexico wouldn't want that. Mexico would need to spend billions in dollar equivalent to catch up to what the U.S. and Canada spends on the illegals coming across their Southern borders.

Under the old rules, many people who sold their homes up North, invested all their money in modest homes here, $80,000-$150,000 USD, and qualified because the income requirement was half. They had little pension or SS coming in but could live well. Now they will need to sell to a nonexistent market, won't be able to sell, and lose all their investment. The people who buy houses in that range will not be coming to Mexico. Mexico will own billions in abandoned property.

We were allowed into Mexico under a set of rules that 99.9% of us obeyed. Mexico decided to pull the rug out from under us.

If Mexico thinks only the wealthier will come here, I don't think so. We have long memories and don't like the rules changing on us. The wealthier are even smarter about it and they won't invest a peso in a country they think will change the rules and boot them out to.

Maybe I read something into your post but it comes across that you don't much respect or care for your fellow foreigners. With that cold blooded lack of empathy, I hope your business is not successful.

The beauty of us Northereners is we stick up for each other and we don't like unfairness.

This is not as drastic a situation, but so you remember Martin Niemöller, Protestant pastor:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.:

When it looks like you are getting the boot, who are you going to ask for sympathy or help?


mazbook1


Nov 18, 2012, 6:46 PM

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La Isla, I wouldn't worry or stress about this too much. I seriously doubt that the Mexican government expects to expel working, taxpaying folks like yourself and richmx2 from the country. It's just that the rules for that don't seem to have been addressed, YET.


chinagringo


Nov 18, 2012, 6:50 PM

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Profess denial all you wish but your opinion matters little since facts prove the point. Gringos have been scamming the system since the beginning of time because: they can! On another forum where you use a different name, a member commented that he paid $1000MXN to take the easy way when getting a Jalisco drivers license for 4 years. I know of another who paid to get a 10 year license and this particular person has no business getting behind the wheel of a vehicle! Then again, Gringos like to point to their perceived system NOB and play "holier than thou"!
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Neil
Albuquerque, NM



La Isla


Nov 18, 2012, 7:10 PM

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La Isla, I wouldn't worry or stress about this too much. I seriously doubt that the Mexican government expects to expel working, taxpaying folks like yourself and richmx2 from the country. It's just that the rules for that don't seem to have been addressed, YET.


Thanks for the reassuring words! I've pretty much calmed down from last weekend's panic attack and will wait to see what happens next.


bronco

Nov 18, 2012, 7:13 PM

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axixic's answer is excellent. richmx2, you are a self hating white man. yes mexico will acquire billions in abandoned homes. that was my take in 2005. i know that is part of the reason for this law, a business OP. ok, a "legal" business OP.

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bronco

Nov 18, 2012, 7:17 PM

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la isla you are naive, they would deport you in a flash. maybe they will ask for a small tip, and "this little mistake can be resolved...... no problem"

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morgaine7


Nov 18, 2012, 7:19 PM

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We think the new rules were written for our detriment, not our benefit.

May I please think for myself? Thank you. I agree totally with Richmx2 that the legislation was intended to benefit Mexico and Mexicans. Some people seem to be overestimating how important we North American expats are in the overall scheme of things. Maybe in areas with high expat concentrations it may appear as you say, I don't know, but I'm opting out of that notion, along with the "so what?" attitude toward the laws of our host country.

That said, I'm not sure I understand the "fudging income" thing. Rich, could you please elaborate? For all I know, I may be doing it by moving funds from the US to here, though I sincerely hope not.

Kate
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